" For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." 1 Corinthians 15.22
Calvinism is a Cult
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Yes, farouk. All die a physical death because of what Adam and Eve unleashed with their sin. But in Christ, we have the promise that even the worst sinner can turn from his/her wickedness and live eternally.
Hey Vince
The fact that Christians disagree on some topic or another points to the fact of man being a fallen creature more than any fault in our faith as Christians or the existence of God. You can look any where man gathers to discuss any topic there you will find disagreements it’s our nature. Take the many different scientific areas of study you can see several different circles and observe discord .
Is it relevant to the truth of the subject or is it due the nature of man ?
Dose the understanding of the nature of salvation affect one’s salvation?
No as long as the beliefs don’t ascribe any attributes of God to man or something in creation or diminish God’s attributes in any way as described in Scripture.
I have several friends that disagree with me on how salvation works are the saved? ( truly only God knows ) I believe many are . Why? they like many others they prefer to dwell on the finished work of Christ Jesus . That’s what counts.
It’s when you tamper with who God is as shown in the Scriptures is where you run aground. .
As for the Gospel it’s the Life Death of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ end of story. How the sharing of Gospel is done , well that’s up to the Holy Spirit and who is sharing. What counts is the life death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
As for the picking what is the right one . Well as a former atheist I was picked and did not do the picking . If I did the picking I would have not of chosen Christ.
Blessings
Bill
Agree.
So coming on here and debating with us is a complete waste of time.
It also begs the question how do they know they won salvation lottery?
A lot like more than 144,000 Jehovah witness thinking they are part of the Heavenly elite.
By their fruits you will know them.
But you are here to sow discord. Not once have you actually wanted to learn anything new; you are perfectly content sitting there feeling self-justified and poking fun at those who refuse to join in your self back-patting.
But in fact it is impossible for you to know if you are saved or not by your theology.
Learn for what reason? According to you no one has a choice in the matter.
The only one back patting is you.
You have proclaimed yourself saved and the rest of us damned.
Everyone has a choice. They just always make the wrong one unless God changes them. \
And what is faith if not trusting even when you are unsure? What you have is not faith; it is self-reliance; you are more sure in your own abilities than Christ's blood, which is not Christian at all.
Oh but they do have a choice; they just hate God and thus will never choose Him. It is the fault of man't sin nature, not the fault of God. God does not hold back; man's nature does.
I love how you say "according to you" this and "according to you" that.
According to you, Christ's blood does nothing; it was meaningless without you. I fear for someone who places more power in themselves than in the blood of Christ.
Actually I am quite sure of my salvation. As drawn from my understanding of the Scriptures that form my theology.
I don’t share this often with folks. I have stared down men with knives and guns South of the border wondering why I have all these clothes an Bibles knowing I am saved sir so please don’t even dare to presume to think that you know what you said is anywhere remotely close to the truth.
I have had to deal with knife and gun attacks as well as a veteran. So don't throw that out there as a defense.
You say you know you are saved? Jehovah witness, Catholics, Mormons and others claimed the same thing. So don't try to claim truth for yourself.
If you did not freewill repent in faith by grace to Christ you were not washed in his blood and born-again.
Preacher4Truth
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Yet another lie. What you really mean is when we show the true Gospel you dont know if you are saved.
Preacher4Truth
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If you don't do this and this and this you are not a Christian. You tell others that they do not know they are saved because they don't place their trust in themselves. What a farse! You don't know repentance to God; you know acceptance of your own ability. You trust more in your own abilities than in the blood of Christ. Even in your above statement, you place yourself at the forefront of your conversion; I have to do this and this and this ..... oh yeah, and Christ's blood or something... but I have to do this and I have to do that.
And then you throw out the names of a few cults to distract from the blatant self salvation gospel you so prominently push, because you don't really feel secure unless everyone else around you is congratulating themselves as well.
That's not faith. That's self reliance and hording your trust because you can't trust anyone but yourself.
Not to defend the Jehovah’s Witnesses, but you don’t even get them right you seem to only go by what you hear from someone else who obviously haven’t looked to to that false religion. Most Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe they are the 144000 . In fact they are so concerned about not having enough of that 144000 people that each time the do their version of the lords supper the count the participants.
Sense they believe only the 144000 can take the wine and bread .
They will tell you they haven’t had any one take it years
Read up . If you are in apposition of there beliefs know what they believe
Blessings
Bill
No--the heart of my disagreement with you is your insistence that babies are guilty of the sin of their forbears. Yes, we die physically because of what Adam and Eve did when they followed the destroyer rather than the Creator. But that is a LONG way from calling God a "murderer" which YOU did.
You persist in conflating physical death with eternal death. When you quote Romans 6:23, do you ever quote the entire passage? Why leave off: "...but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord."?
You also neglect the context of Romans 3:23. Please, look at Romans 3:22 "We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes..." Since babies are incapable of believing--then, I guess with you Calvinists, you are saying--"Too bad, babies, my theology says you are toast." It is clear that Romans 3:23 is speaking to the fact that it is inevitable that ALL will eventually sin.
No, it is YOU who have done that when you insist that when God takes an innocent life, He is guilty of murder. That is what the atheists say--that God "murdered" His own Son. Only God, who gives humans their lives, has a right to take them without cause. Did Abraham question God about the order to kill Isaac? No, he apparently assumed that God would revivify Isaac. He knew that the holiness of God is total. YOU apparently question that and make up your theology around your doubts.
Murder is decidedly evil-no doubt about that. It is why God prohibited human-to-human killing without just cause. When it is without just cause, that's when we call it murder--rather than killing, such as in self-defense. No--the biggest injustice is to malign the holiness of God by stubbornly insisting that your theology could not be wrong, and that if babies die, it is because they are somehow guilty of the sin of their antecedents.The biggest injustice is to murder someone, but you say God can violate His own nature and do it.
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