The Coming Great Apostasy

[Phoneman777]

I, as a member of the "least", am ALSO a " just man".
See Mat. 5:20.

Have you ever sweat blood when striving against sin?

 

[Phoneman777]

Now you have to discern the difference between "the spirit of the Law" as opposed to "the letter of the Law".
For all who seek to be justified by the righteousness of the Law, and not by the Righteousness of Christ, the sacrificial blood of Christ has NO EFFECT (is not applied) to them. gal. 5:4
Again, see Mat. 5:20

There's no way a person can keep the spirit of a law without by default keeping the letter of that law.

 

[Earburner]

Have you ever sweat blood when striving against sin?

Which sin?

 

[Phoneman777]

IS you name Jesus, are you the one that was fond worthy to open the lambs book of life, i seriously doubt that.

Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Is the one you serve named Satan? It is he who led you to despise the reasonable service of the Ten Commandments because he hates them as much as Antinomianists.

 

[Earburner]

There's no way a person can keep the spirit of a law without by default keeping the letter of that law.

The spirit of the Law is the Law of the Spirit, which is the Righteousness of Christ. His Righteousness is not inherent in men, nor is it by the Law, but rather can only be received as a Gift from God.
Matt.5[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Eph.2[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

 

[mjrhealth]

Is the one you serve named Satan? It is he who led you to despise the reasonable service of the Ten Commandments because he hates them as much as Antinomianists.

No on e hates the ten commandments so why is it it irritates you so, you want to save your self and prove to God what a good boy you are, please go right ahead, wont change a thing, we are saved by grace through faith unless God and Jesus are liars, and now you say Jesus is the devil,.. man you are stooping low, but that is what happens when mens idols are trod on.

Mar 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

 

[Earburner]

Is the one you serve named Satan? It is he who led you to despise the reasonable service of the Ten Commandments because he hates them as much as Antinomianists.

No born again Christian hates the 10C Law!!
We uphold the Law through the Righteousness of Christ, which EXCEEDS the righteousness of the Law. The righteousness of the Law is not able to grant anyone Eternal Life.
Therefore by default, it can't deliver anyone from eternal death.

 

[Phoneman777]

Which sin?

Look, the only way I'm going to accept the popular notion that "nobody can keep the Ten Commandments" is if those who preach that will admit that just before they fell victim to it, they fought so hard against temptation that blood poured out of them like sweat.

As far as I know, not a single soul has experienced it - which says it all about whether they serve "sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness".

 

[Phoneman777]

No born again Christian hates the 10C Law!!
We uphold the Law through the Righteousness of Christ, which EXCEEDS the righteousness of the Law. The righteousness of the Law is not able to grant anyone Eternal Life.
Therefore by default, it can't deliver anyone from eternal death.

You sound like the cheating husband who claims to have great love for his wife while perpetually sleeping around on her.

BTW, we're not talking about "Christian Origination", we're taking "Christian Obligation". Why you dragging how to get saved into the discussion when all agree that comes not by works? But we all know why: Psychology 101 calls that "deflection", a strategy which allows the one employing it to avoid confronting unpopular truth which they know they cannot resist.

 

[Phoneman777]

No on e hates the ten commandments so why is it it irritates you so,

If you don't hate the Ten Commandments, that means you love them, right? I'll see you in church this next seventh day Sabbath then, as the Ten Commandments specifically declare.

 

[Earburner]

Look, the only way I'm going to accept the popular notion that "nobody can keep the Ten Commandments" is if those who preach that will admit that just before they fell victim to it, they fought so hard against temptation that blood poured out of them like sweat.

As far as I know, not a single soul has experienced it - which says it all about whether they serve "sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness".

The first rule of thumb to understand is, the mind of Jesus was/is "not of this world".

 

[mjrhealth]

If you don't hate the Ten Commandments, that means you love them, right? I'll see you in church this next seventh day Sabbath then, as the Ten Commandments specifically declare.

Why do I want to keep the sabbath,

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

the law is yours to die under, it is your idol, you worship it alone, we serve Christ.

 

[Earburner]

You sound like the cheating husband who claims to have great love for his wife while perpetually sleeping around on her.

BTW, we're not talking about "Christian Origination", we're taking "Christian Obligation". Why you dragging how to get saved into the discussion when all agree that comes not by works? But we all know why: Psychology 101 calls that "deflection", a strategy which allows the one employing it to avoid confronting unpopular truth which they know they cannot resist.

God's plan, through faith in His Son, is to save as many as He can from eternal death.
Our goal is to LET HIM do so, through faith in His Son.
Since it IS HIS plan to save us, it's going to go according to His way. So, if God so loved world, and gave to us His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but HAVE Eternal Life, then by golly, I'm going to PLAY IT BY HIS RULES alone, and not adding more to His plan, or setting up any "obstacle course", hoping that I make it.

 

[Earburner]

You sound like the cheating husband who claims to have great love for his wife while perpetually sleeping around on her.

BTW, we're not talking about "Christian Origination", we're taking "Christian Obligation". Why you dragging how to get saved into the discussion when all agree that comes not by works? But we all know why: Psychology 101 calls that "deflection", a strategy which allows the one employing it to avoid confronting unpopular truth which they know they cannot resist.

If you REALLY DO understand HOW we FREELY get saved, then who has DECEIVED you, to think that you are "obligated" to keep the Law???
Your condition is worse than you can imagine!!
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You readily agree that the Law can save no one!
But now that Jesus HAS SAVED you through faith, you RUN to the Law to help keep you saved??
Do you really know what you are saying to Him, who died FOR YOU?" I believe in you Jesus, but I DON'T TRUST YOU!!"
That is being a "doubter" , a two faced liar.

You FOLLOW Him to COPY Him, but you DON'T BELIEVE HIM, that He alone HAS SAVED you to the uttermost, without your help!
That makes you out to be double minded and lukewarm.

 

[bbyrd009]

It's not about fooling God, but rather Him undoing the fooling that has been going on with you, by the preconceived thoughts and doctrines of men.
Gal.2[4] And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage.
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2Cor.3[17] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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Rom.8[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
> So then, is the Spirit of God/Christ within you? If so, then why do you want to be in bondage under the Law?
Do you want to be found by the Lord as having "fallen from Grace"?
Which shall it be, "saved by grace" or "justified by the Law" ?
You really don't know!
To say that you need both, is to reveal that you are "lukewarm" . Sort of like straddling the fence, just in case. Nope! Not good! One will get spewn out of His mouth for that condition.

I think the problem is maybe that a puzzle proposed by Scripture is not being considered well, which is why you and mjr et al cannot contemplate any of the vv that serve to show the diff in Under the Law and Keeping the Law.

So you take one v that suggests you aren't under the law anymore--which btw does not even apply to you yet, you would be calling the cops for a dog pooping on your yard prolly lol--and you make a law out of it of course--I mean this is obviously etched in stone for you guys right--yet here any second I'm sure you'll be telling me that you aren't suggesting that anyone break any commandments either right.

But you still can't explain the diff in under the law and keeping the law, bc to you there is no diff I guess? Is that right?

 

[Phoneman777]

The first rule of thumb to understand is, the mind of Jesus was/is "not of this world".

Yeah, right, Jesus had an advantage over us in the fight against temptation and sin...that's why He painted the ground red with His blood in His fight against the temptation to run from the path which ended at the Cross - the path His Father set before Him.

As I suspected, there yet remains not a single solitary person in the entire history of the world besides Jesus who "resisted unto blood, striving against sin" before - unlike Jesus - giving in to it...yet, just like the guy who sits at the starting line in neutral whining about how he can't win while the rest are tearing off down the track, OSAS folks are as absurd in their thinking.

 

[brakelite]

If you REALLY DO understand HOW we FREELY get saved, then who has DECEIVED you, to think that you are "obligated" to keep the Law???
Your condition is worse than you can imagine!!
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You readily agree that the Law can save no one!
But now that Jesus HAS SAVED you through faith, you RUN to the Law to help keep you saved??
Do you really know what you are saying to Him, who died FOR YOU?" I believe in you Jesus, but I DON'T TRUST YOU!!"
That is being a "doubter" , a two faced liar.

You FOLLOW Him to COPY Him, but you DON'T BELIEVE HIM, that He alone HAS SAVED you to the uttermost, without your help!
That makes you out to be double minded and lukewarm.

Thinking he was above the law, the young fella raced around the countryside totally disregarding all sense of safety and care.
The young fella was pulled up doing 175 mph in a 30mph restricted zone. A charming young man, he thought to talk his way out of trouble, but to no avail.
The officer asked for his licence and registration. "Ummm, I don't have one". "Have what " said the officer. "Neither".
The officer asked him to step out of the car and immediately noticed he stumbled a little trying to stand up. "Have you been drinking?: "Yes" "How much?" "8 pints , as well as a couple of joints".
The officer immediately puts the cuffs on and bundles the man into the back of his car. Uh oh, he thought. I'm really in trouble now. Looks like I'm under the law big time. He knew he stood condemned. He starts sobbing. Seriously weeping and frantically begging for forgiveness. The officer, on his way to the station relents, changes his mind, and drops him off home. The young man gets inside, sits down and has another beer and a joint to celebrate his good fortune. He decides to hop on his motor bike and ride over to his girlfriends house to tell her the good news. Throwing gravel all over his neighbours front yard, he wheel stands all the way down the street shouting at the top of his voice, "Yipeee! I no longer under the law!!! I'm free!!!!, and the cops can't touch me because they have just removed the law!!! "

 

[Earburner]

I think the problem is maybe that a puzzle proposed by Scripture is not being considered well, which is why you and mjr et al cannot contemplate any of the vv that serve to show the diff in Under the Law and Keeping the Law.
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So you take one v that suggests you aren't under the law anymore--which btw does not even apply to you yet, you would be calling the cops for a dog pooping on your yard prolly lol--and you make a law out of it of course--I mean this is obviously etched in stone for you guys right--yet here any second I'm sure you'll be telling me that you aren't suggesting that anyone break any commandments either right.

But you still can't explain the diff in under the law and keeping the law, bc to you there is no diff I guess? Is that right?

The difference is being continually explained to you by many here!!
You CAN know that, if you would/could answer Mat. 5:19-20 truthfully to yourself, but you don't/can't.
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Here is that verse, just in case you haven't studied it in the KJV:
Mat. 5
The Law Breakers-
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
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The Law Keepers-
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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The Equalizer-
[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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Someone accomplished something through the Law, in that what was missing, is a critical element, that is necessary for Eternal Life.
Who did it, and what did that person do?
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Now, if you will notice the words: "called the least in the", as opposed to those "called great in the".
One part of that verse has the word "the" before it, whereas the other part does not.
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By the use of the word "the", or the lack thereof, Jesus is revealing that those who are "called the least", are a people.
As for those who are "called great", He is revealing how certain people view themselves.

Now the BIG Question:
According to the above verses, who IS NOT IN the KoH/KoG, and WHY?

 

[bbyrd009]

There's no way a person can keep the spirit of a law without by default keeping the letter of that law.

I gotta disagree here, and I note that our laws now do also. Not that the spirit of some laws is not crap anyway, nor that we might easily find ourselves on the other side of a bad law with a bad spirit to begin with, the legalizing of murdering Christians, say.

but you could justify speeding your pregnant wife to the hospital at 2 am, or etc, even despite the fact that she prolly won't give birth till morning, right. Iow the emotional state of the father is taken into account, and we give him an escort, not a ticket?

 

[Phoneman777]

Why do I want to keep the sabbath,

Because breaking the Sabbath - which is sin - made necessary the death of our beloved Savior on the Cross - a Cross which has not nor will ever grant anyone a license to continue doing that which made necessary His death in the first place.

The ultimate proof that God's Law can never be abrogated or changed is the Cross, for all that would be needed to spare Jesus' life would be to just change the Law so that nothing would be unlawful - which God has never done, but which you Antinomianists have somehow granted yourselves Divine Authority to do, right?