Adam was all his posterity's representative, but I think that's quite the stretch to say it was God who put us there. What vs or vss states God put us in Adam?
Read post #(297).
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Adam was all his posterity's representative, but I think that's quite the stretch to say it was God who put us there. What vs or vss states God put us in Adam?
One has to place faith in Christ to get out of Adam and be in Christ. Take it up with God. It's a requirement He has made.
I have already told you. Being in Adam is not a sin. That makes God a sinner because it is God who places you in Adam. Being in Adam means you are a sinner because of Adam.
You're not paying attention. Location means everything. See (Rom. 5:13-14). "For until the law sins was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
Did you get it? The sins of the people from Adam to Moses were not imputed to these people. But they still died. Why did they die? Because of Adam's sin. Because they were in Adam. Because of the act of one man.
So, being in Christ means the believer is righteous, not because of his good things he does, but because he is in Christ. Because of the act of one Man.
That is not works. That is pure Grace. Location means everything.
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But that does not say God placed us in Adam.Read post #(297).
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Show me one place where there was a time when there was no law? The law is written upon ppl's hearts from conception. When Cain murdered Abel, there was no mentioning of "Thou shalt not kill', yet God held Cain responsible for killing his brother.
You just read it.
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But that does not say God placed us in Adam.
Foolish statement. If God didn't place you there, who did?
Who placed Levi in Abraham? (Heb. 7:9-10) "And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him."
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But there has never been a time there hasn't been a law of God. Yes, there was a time before God gave the Law to Moses and the Jews, but there has always been a law. If there is no law, there is no sin. If there is no sin, there is no punishment.
We are veering off course here...this thread is about the elect.
Again, Adam acted as our representative, but that does not mean, or does it say, God placed us in Adam.
Show me where it states God placed us in Adam. Surely its in there if its true.
If we are, it is you who veered us off. So, you don't want to admit that God placed us in Adam?
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Ive just showed you. If God did not place you in Adam then you are not in Adam. Which means you were not born a sinner. Which means you're on your own.
Was Levi in Abraham? Who placed him there?
Adam is not our representative if we are not in Adam.
Stranger
Ive just showed you. If God did not place you in Adam then you are not in Adam. Which means you were not born a sinner. Which means you're on your own.
Was Levi in Abraham? Who placed him there?
Adam is not our representative if we are not in Adam.
Stranger
He was not literally in Abraham's loins. This is talking about through Abraham's lineage. I was not literally in my dad's loins, either.
I think you are thinking everybody who will ever live was alive at the time Adam was made? We were not literally in Adam, but he acted as our representative, even when we were not there. Just like we were chosen in Christ, but we are not literally in Christ until after we are saved. He, the Christ, acted as our representative, even when we were not there.
That is not true. If Levi was not really in the loins of Abraham then he really didn't pay tithes to Abraham which showed the superiority of the priesthood of Melchisedec over that of Aaron.
This is not about 'lineage'. If it didn't occur, then it means nothing.
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!Show me one place where there was a time when there was no law? The law is written upon ppl's hearts from conception. When Cain murdered Abel, there was no mentioning of "Thou shalt not kill', yet God held Cain responsible for killing his brother.
I'm not quite getting why in Adam all die isn't adequate for SG there either, but now I'm kinda wondering as you are so adept in Scripture otherwise, why you don't ever consider these Patriarchs more as like "types" than actual ppl...or do you?Ive just showed you. If God did not place you in Adam then you are not in Adam. Which means you were not born a sinner. Which means you're on your own.
Was Levi in Abraham? Who placed him there?
Adam is not our representative if we are not in Adam.
Stranger