Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

[Keraz]

The land of Israel was NOT given to the Church but to the 12 tribes of Israel. Therefore Replacement Theology is bogus.

We Christians are the Israel of God. We represent the 12 tribes and we inherit all the Promises of God, thru Jesus. 2 Corinthians 1:20

How many times must it be put to you that no-one is 'replaced'?
The faithful people of God, the Overcomers for Him, are the same today as in ancient times. His true Israelite people.

Re the Jewish State of Israel, I posted a list of prophesies, #495, that clearly say how they will be Judged and only a remnant will survive. Why do you ignore them?

 

[Dave L]

I disagree, and for good reason. It's because our Lord Jesus gave us the signs leading up to the day of His return, even within three and one half days per Revelation 11, but we don't know what specific day that is. Like Apostle Paul said in 1 Thess.5, the day of The Lord is not to take us by surprise, and the reason is because we are supposed to know the 'times and the seasons' of Christ's coming. If you choose to ignore those signs, then you may as well believe on men's doctrines like a pre-trib rapture too, for like you, they also believe Christ's coming can happen at any moment.

Numbers are symbolic in Revelation. You miss the message making them literal. Jesus told the disciples they would see the great tribulation in Matthew 24. He addressed them in the 2nd person plural = they would see it which they did in 70AD.

 

[tzcho2]

Funny? What is serious, is the total failure of the 'rapture' proponents to provide any scripture to prove their belief.
I put up plenty that proved how the apostate Jews will be decimated by the Lord on His Day of fiery wrath. Those verses plainly prophesied what will happen, no 'misrepresentation' or misunderstanding there.

Your fav 'rapture' notion is a crock, you have been fooled by the 'wolves in sheeps clothing'. Dr David Jeremiah is a prime example, he speaks so nicely, but what he preaches is false teaching, that 'tickles the ears' and many have believed the lie.
Lady Crosstalk has put me on 'ignore' for posting scriptures that contradict her beliefs. Is that wise? Or even sensible?
Time to believe the truth, before its too late!
Believe Paul; 1 Corinthians 3:12-15, Romans 1:18 Believe Peter; 1 Peter 4:12, 2 Peter 3:7 Believe Jesus: Matthew 3:10-12, Luke 21:25-26 Plus every OT prophet except Jonah, tells us in great detail, about this forthcoming Day of fire, that will affect everyone.

What is funny is the ones that think we who are pretrib only believe that because someone told us, sorry to disappoint, but it is what I read in the scriptures. What is scary is how many like yourself attack others in Christendom, & misuse and misrepresent scriptures, that is where the worst attacks against Christianity are from within.
You peddle the Replacement Theology..... So you think you're one of the 12 tribes do ya? Nah, really nope.

 

[Dave L]

What is funny is the ones that think we who are pretrib only believe that because someone told us, sorry to disappoint, but it is what I read in the scriptures. What is scary is how many like yourself attack others in Christendom, & misuse and misrepresent scriptures, that is where the worst attacks against Christianity are from within.
You peddle the Replacement Theology..... So you think you're one of the 12 tribes do ya? Nah, really nope.

It is not in the scriptures. You were trained to see it their way and you cannot see it otherwise. To prove it, you cannot produce one direct quote from the gospels or epistles mentioning a 7 year tribulation, a pre-trib rapture, or any of the main tenets of Dispensationalism.

 

[tzcho2]

It is not in the scriptures. You were trained to see it their way and you cannot see it otherwise. To prove it, you cannot produce one direct quote from the gospels or epistles mentioning a 7 year tribulation, a pre-trib rapture, or any of the main tenets of Dispensationalism.

That is false.
I was not trained or told.
Apparently you don't read carefully , I was in a denomination that didn't believe in it or the Trib.

 

[tzcho2]

We gave you the scriptures but you are not party to the understanding of it.

 

[Dave L]

That is false.
I was not trained or told.
Apparently you don't read carefully , I was in a denomination that didn't believe in it or the Trib.

But if scripture does not teach it, how did you concoct it?

 

[Enoch111]

We Christians are the Israel of God.

God does not assign Gentile Christians to the 12 tribes and then give them portions of the land of Israel. That would be bizarre and unscriptural. Indeed the 12 tribes are clearly identified in Revelation 7 along with the Church, and in Ezekiel 48 there can be no doubt that the 12 tribes will be placed in the land as shown.

 

[Dave L]

God does not assign Gentile Christians to the 12 tribes and then give them portions of the land of Israel. That would be bizarre and unscriptural. Indeed the 12 tribes are clearly identified in Revelation 7 along with the Church, and in Ezekiel 48 there can be no doubt that the 12 tribes will be placed in the land as shown.

All of the promises are yes in Christ = no apart from him.

 

[Enoch111]

All of the promises are yes in Christ = no apart from him.

And what makes you think that redeemed Israel is "apart" from Christ. Once again you are displaying your ignorance of the subject and refusing to study what has been presented a 100 times.

 

[Dave L]

And what makes you think that redeemed Israel is "apart" from Christ. Once again you are displaying your ignorance of the subject and refusing to study what has been presented a 100 times.

Only believers in Christ are Israel. The unbelievers were removed and reduced to gentile status. Any will be reattached through faith in Christ only. (Romans 11).

 

[farouk]

@Lady Crosstalk PS: It's amazing just how strongly the inclination was among the Galatians to go back to law-keeping. Hence Paul's repeated, vehement sounding warnings.

 

[Enoch111]

Only believers in Christ are Israel.

You still don't get it because you refuse to study the Word. Those 12 tribes under Christ will all be regenerated and redeemed Jews. So before you say another word do some serious Bible study, and avoid putting your foot in your mouth (for your own sake).

 

[tzcho2]

But if scripture does not teach it, how did you concoct it?

We keep giving you scripture but you can't see it for some reason.

 

[Enoch111]

We keep giving you scripture but you can't see it for some reason.

As Christ said: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them. (Mk 4:12)

 

[tzcho2]

As Christ said: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them. (Mk 4:12)

Sadly, seems so.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

You still don't get it because you refuse to study the Word. Those 12 tribes under Christ will all be regenerated and redeemed Jews. So before you say another word do some serious Bible study, and avoid putting your foot in your mouth (for your own sake).

Yes, Ezekiel 37:11 tells us that in the "dry bones" prophecy, the "bones" represent the whole house of Israel--i.e. ALL 12 Tribes. God knows where the Ten Lost Tribes are today and He will supernaturally bring them back to the Millennial Kingdom. Even today, the Israelis know that all of the priests (descendants of Aaron) possess a certain gene that is characteristic of only them. To be a priest in the upcoming Temple, a man (it only occurs in males) would need to possess the specific gene to qualify for training to perform priestly duties. If I recall correctly, they found an enclave of men with the gene on a small island off the coast of Morocco.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

You still don't get it because you refuse to study the Word. Those 12 tribes under Christ will all be regenerated and redeemed Jews. So before you say another word do some serious Bible study, and avoid putting your foot in your mouth (for your own sake).

Like the warning from Gamaliel, those who oppose God's plans for Israel, may find themselves fighting against God. Not a good place to be found. God often pronounced judgment on the nations who persecuted Israel--even those who merely laughed at Israel's misfortune.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

What is funny is the ones that think we who are pretrib only believe that because someone told us, sorry to disappoint, but it is what I read in the scriptures. What is scary is how many like yourself attack others in Christendom, & misuse and misrepresent scriptures, that is where the worst attacks against Christianity are from within.
You peddle the Replacement Theology..... So you think you're one of the 12 tribes do ya? Nah, really nope.

Similar to "British Israelism"--and we know what a fiasco THAT was. Just one more Satanic scheme to try to thwart God's plans for Israel.

 

[farouk]

Like the warning from Gamaliel, those who oppose God's plans for Israel, may find themselves fighting against God. Not a good place to be found. God often pronounced judgment on the nations who persecuted Israel--even those who merely laughed at Israel's misfortune.

Gamaliel's worldly-advice can be timely. If it doesn't work trying to fix again what God has already fixed, don't!