Preacher4Truth
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You quoted my response to your OP.Greetings, gentlemen. If you would like to participate in this thread, please read the OP and respond to the question I asked first.
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You quoted my response to your OP.Greetings, gentlemen. If you would like to participate in this thread, please read the OP and respond to the question I asked first.
Appreciate it.
You quoted my response to your OP.
45 “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 24:45-51)
Who is that wise servant, who God has appointed to give nourishment to God's other servants? Happy that one is when that's what he's doing when his Master arrives!
What are your thoughts about Jesus' teaching concerning the Law in the Sermon on the Mount? If the Law does include the thoughts of the heart, then not just abusing and not abusing the church would be violations of the Law, but the underlying evil motivations would be the violations of the Law.
Ok, so you are reading the passage prophetically as making reference to the coming destruction of Jerusalem. That at least fits the context of Matthew 24 through 25 somewhat. But by this last statement you make it sound as if theses words were addressed to the apostles, yes? If the opening words were being addressed to the apostles, then the parable was about them, not the Jewish leadership of Israel.
By "Mosaic law" I was referring more specifically to ritualistic laws, so my fault for not clarifying things further; laws like circumcision, those against eating unclean foods, strict observance of sabbaths and holy days, that sort of thing.
This is also an interesting post. Yes, I think He did know they wouldn't betray Him. But that's not taking away from the possibility that He was using this teaching to make sure of it. If not, then He would have been teaching right past them to every other Christian leader who would come after them, but I personally think it was a safeguard to make sure they didn't as well.
That is incorrect. The destruction of the flesh is literally the destruction of the physical body -- either through disease or through death. Satan and his demons are shown to cause diseases and disabilities in Scripture.The destruction of the flesh is the destruction of the carnal nature, not physical death.
What I think I'm hearing is, the Mosaic Law is limited to the ceremonial aspects of the Law, while the moral and religious aspects are held differently.
Abusing other believers and not forgiving go beyond the breaking of the Law, even when considering that the Law includes those inside desires and motives, not just the actions.
And as these are worse than breaking the Law, they will cost someone their salvation.
Is this right?
Well, no actually. It's my fault, but I was assuming that ritual and ceremonial law would be read into what I was saying. To be accurate, Mosaic law refers to the entire law of Moses.
No... or at least that's not the way I would put things.... They essentially break covenant with God altogether, not just one or several of His laws. The breaking of the law results in sin and death, but the law of life in Christ Jesus has made us free of that law, so we will no longer die for committing sins that are "not unto death." But there are a few that completely break covenant with God, and I believe this is one of them.
I liken it to the following analogy, so tell me what you think. This analogy is not perfect, but it contains several of the same elements:
In our judicial systems, when a court wants to exercise leniency against someone who has committed a criminal act in hopes that they will just amend themselves, they put the perpetrator on probation. He is not given a long list of things to do, just a few, such as having to take periodic drug tests, check in by phone every week, or not leave the State, things like that. The sentence of jail time for the criminal is circumvented, much like our committing sins against God get atoned for when we place our faith in Christ as our atoning sacrifice (note: Atonement is somewhat different, hence the analogy is not perfect, but stick with me here). If the perpetrator can just meet just a few conditions, and likewise the believer, he will never be punished for his crimes. But if the criminal returns to committing criminal acts, his probation is revoked and he pays the price for what he has done.
Now with the believer, if he commits a normal sin that is "not unto death," he has an Advocate with the Lord and can simply judge himself over it, repent of it, and move on with God. But if a believer commits a sin that is severe enough as to break his very covenant with God (similar to a criminal breaking the agreement made between he and the judge that put him on probation), suddenly the grace that was bestowed is no longer applicable. He will now do jail time for breaking not only the law, but the agreement he made with the court.
Your reaction was pretty telltale. No one wants to think that of God, that he would give his power to evil men also. But whether you look at the news or the scriptures, it is obvious that he does:What emotions? I was simply pointing out that the context of the verse suggests that "all flesh" doesn't mean that God is going to pour out His power to walk in supernatural gifts upon every evil sinner in the world, it means that He will pour out HIs Spirit upon every believer from the very young to the very old. I think your interpretation is completely bizarre and illogical, Scott, but I wasn't being emotional.
I didn't say anything about "moral depravity (evil)", I just quoted the scriptures. But it is obvious, since you mention it, that it is you who have imagined the words to mean something more than is written. But you are not allowing for God to be in control of all things, even evil:Calamity (evil) and moral depravity (evil) are two different things. You make out God to be a Sinner.
No. That does not set well.
Your reaction was pretty telltale. No one wants to think that of God, that he would give his power to evil men also. But whether you look at the news or the scriptures, it is obvious that he does:
Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
I didn't say anything about "moral depravity (evil)", I just quoted the scriptures. But it is obvious, since you mention it, that it is you who have imagined the words to mean something more than is written. But you are not allowing for God to be in control of all things, even evil:
"Then Pilate said to Him, "Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?"
11 Jesus answered, "You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin." John 19:10-11
"Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” John 6:70
Watering will cause both a good plant or a poisonous plant to grow. Likewise, power (or spirit) supercharging evil or good in ("all") the world, is all the more evil or good.
God will not empower the AC, Satan and the false prophet in the tribulation. He will allow them to function without restraint.
That is incorrect. The destruction of the flesh is literally the destruction of the physical body -- either through disease or through death. Satan and his demons are shown to cause diseases and disabilities in Scripture.
Not all of that is wrong, but it is not a good representation of the truth from God, and more the teachings of men.No it is wrong.
God gave everyone freewill choice. You cannot choose to love if you cannot choose to hate. You cannot choose good if you cannot choose evil.
God does use evil to accomplish good. The Bibles loaded with examples.
There was no darkness at the beginning of time. But God formed it and wrapped it around your to cover the evil done by Satan and the fallen Angels in the war in heaven.
Notice the verse contrasts evil peace.
Allowing evil is not the same as empowering evil men.
God will not empower the AC, Satan and the false prophet in the tribulation. He will allow them to function without restraint.
I know that sounds like nonsense to many, but that's reality.