It’s not like I haven’t given Judas and Pharaoh thought...especially Judas. ‘Circular’ not sure what you mean by that but isn’t it an over-all-message of who God is ...to the just And the unjust. Thought I had experienced some of these things ‘vessels of dishonor’ hellbent on destruction and what they have taught: mercy, forgiveness, weakness, brokenness, patience, long-suffering...endurance and faith. Wasn’t Pharaoh this to those he broke in trying to keep them enslaved?...whom God said to set free. How God said He raised Pharaoh to show His mercy to the ends of the earth. What does “destruction” have to do with mercy? Ask those pulled of God out of the destruction. What I’ve experienced though is nothing compared to some. So let’s speak of Hitler. Obviously Hitler read God’s word and took away a flesh interpretation and Hitler was destruction. It is revealed by the weapon, yeah? I know you like the verse how God chooses from the furnace of affliction. Assuming Hitler took this literal and heated a furnace for the unclean and dirty Jews to go in to to burn off their filth. Why a furnace? Was Hitler as Pharaoh or Judas...vessels of “dishonor” and built for destruction and to waste. Paul said he was one of those until the Lord showed (revealed) His mercy in the Son. So I’ll ask you this (could give you verses) when a man who watches his family burned literally in a fire...extinguished...all his children, his wife, and then himself starved, held captive, burned in terrible pain ... is asked as a child of God to judge Hitler who is on his face at his feet begging for mercy and the Man says “Father, forgive him. He knew not what he was doing.” ...who is the vessel of honour? We say “No way”. Anything is possible with God. Who is the vessel of mercy “chosen out of affliction”? Who glorifies Jesus Christ in not only speaking faith and mercy but in demonstrating it? That may sound stupid but there are those who have forgiven like that man who watched the unthinkable done to his family and friends. Why the prophets and those God said the world didn’t deserve to know among them...why does God allow such cruel treatment as like with His Son...if not for the sake of revealing THE POWER of mercy? Maybe He has a plan for vessels of mercy...in what they do. And for vessels of destruction...in what they do. We can’t forget how the dogs compassed Him about, parted His raiment, cried out, “crucify HIM!” Yet He said “Father, forgive them.” “Forgive them for they know not what they do.”—Which is the power of God toward us; who didn’t deserve mercy except for His love and good purposes.