Well, we do agree that there will be a rising to meet the Lord at His coming.
No.
I believe the Lord shall descend from heaven to the clouds....
And His Church shall rise up to Meet Him in the Air.
I believe the Lords SECOND Coming is specifically TO EARTH.
We humans never go to live in heaven, but those who remain alive at the Return, will be spiritually transported to where He is and be with Him for the Millennium. On earth.
Your comment makes no sense.
Transported to where He is, at His Return?
At His RETURN, He will be ON Earth.
I did explain this. We are the Lord's witnesses; Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations, Isaiah 49:3-8, Matthew 5:14-16
So you believe, The Converted IN Christ, WILL BE ON Earth DURING the End of Days Tribulation....WITNESSING, TESTIFYING of Christ?
To WHOM?
To Those with the Mark of the Beast?
To Jews?
What do you think Converted men have been doing for the last 2,000 + years?
Did Faithful Noah Remain ON EARTH and Witness and Testify of God, While the earth was Flooding?
Proof that the people of God are present in the holy Land at the time of the GT, is in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7
No Kidding. People of God....JEWS!
And God SENDS to the JEWS "His Witnesses".
And God SENDS to the TRIBES of ISRAEL, "His 144,000" Israelites to His People to Hear of Christ Jesus so they may Believe.
And Gods SENDS to the Earth "His Angel" to speak the Word of God TO the World.
Nowhere does Scripture Teach the Gentiles Converted IN Christ, Remain on Earth During the Great Tribulation to Be Witnesses, Teachers, or Testifiers of Christ Jesus, TO Gods People Israel.
A redeemer is a person who pays off your debt. Jesus did that for our sin debt to God.
No debate, Jesus PAID our Price for Redemption, with His Pure Blood.
And A redeemer IS ALSO ENTITLED to CLAIM, TAKE possession of that Which He HAS REDEEMED....And WHY, When Jesus Descends to the Clouds; He has the Authority and Power to CALL UP TO HIM, Every single person WHO has Accepted His GIft (of Him paying their DEBT) and His Grace of Forgiveness, and His GIft of their soul restoration, and His Gift of quickening their spirit....that they RISE UP TO HIM, in their glorified Body.
I also believe that we Christians are the Israel of God. Galatians 6:14-16 says so. Therefore the sacrifice of Jesus provided a redemption for those of natural Israel and for all who would accept it.
I think that is an INDEPT subject.
Briefly;
Israel is Gods People.
The Converted ARE Christ's Church.
Don't believe ALL are YET ONE.
What God requires of us is sincere faith in Him and trust in His promises of eventual Eternal life.
God requires ALL MEN to BELIEVE IN HIM and CHRIST JESUS.
Currently that is NOT the CASE.
Those who BELIEVE IN GOD (and NOT Christ Jesus), absolutely have to VIA THEIR OWN POWER KEEP STRONG IN THEIR FAITH TO GOD.
Those who Believe IN God AND Christ Jesus, AND have Heartfully Submitted UNTO Christ Jesus....RECEIVE the HOLY SPIRIT...
And it is the POWER of the Holy Spirit that KEEPS them FOREVER in Faithfulness to God and Christ Jesus.
We are plainly told that we must face trials and testing.
No kidding. Every single day, Believers in God, and in God and Christ are wrongly accused, imprisoned, tortured, made fun of, homes burned, churches burned, ousted and killed for their beliefs in God and in God and Christ Jesus.
You think that is NOT facing trials and testing?
Re the Jews; many prophesies tell us that they will be virtually wiped out on the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath. Isaiah 22:14, Jeremiah 10:18, Zechariah 13:7-9, + Only a remnant will be saved Romans 9:27
Absolutely...BODILY KILLED.
However FIRST the Majority of Jews, LISTEN to Gods Two Witnesses IN Jerusalem, who TESTIFY for 3 1/2 Years of Christ Jesus.
And they ALSO LISTEN to the 144,000 Israelites God sends to teach them Christ Jesus.
Which is to SAY, THEY BECOME CONVERTED;
Forgiven for not Trusting In Christ Jesus.
Soul Saved for Turning to Believe.
spirit Quickened for Turning to Believe.
AND...YES Bodily KILLED...
And WHEN the Lord RETURNS TO EARTH...THEY are RISEN UP (at the Last Trump) IN THEIR Glorified Bodies...and WITH the Lord IS HIS Reward for them....Their Saved Souls and Quickened Spirits that WENT TO HEAVEN, when their Bodies are Killed.
Where does the Bible say we who trust in the Lord, will suffer God's wrath?
It doesn't say "THE CONVERTED" shall suffer Gods Wrath.
Apparently you are Unaware, the End days Tribulation IS:
The Days of;
The Wrath of the Lamb.
And
The Wrath of God.
You are the one saying "the Converted" in Christ WILL BE ON THE EARTH in those days......IF you are ON the EARTH, you ARE being SUBJECTED to the;
The Wrath of the Lamb,
And
The Wrath of God.
We may have to suffer Satan's wrath, allowed by God to test us.
There is no "wrath of Satan" !!
Satan's power is to TRICK and DECEIVE.
And the END of DAYS WRATH, is Gods POWER and VENGEANCE coming upon the Earth and Effecting men.
God Sends the Earthquakes, the Lightening, the Plagues, the Sores, etc.
But regarding the great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath against the nations; we are told to stand firm in our faith and trust in God's protection. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
You appear to NOT know when Scripture is Speaking to JEWS who believe in God, and NOT Christ....
And the Converted who believe Both in God and Christ Jesus....
There IS a BIG DIFFERENCE...
A Converted man does not have to TRY REALLY HARD to KEEP His FAITH....
A Converted man IS KEPT by the POWER of God.
A man who is TRYING to KEEP his FAITH...
Is Relying on his own "power", NOT the Indwelling POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT.
Jews are told to STAND FIRM, and TRUST God.....Since you have not Noticed they DO not Broadly HAVE the Indwelling Spirit of God....(Some DO, calling themselves Messanic Jews)...but the Majority do NOT.
You Taken; seem to have been deceived by false teachings,
Oh good Grief, aren't you the All Knowing one! Ha!
You quote scripture AS IF, the ONLY one being taught knowledge IS a Converted man. "We this, and We that".
Jesus said we must take care to not be deceived,
"WE WHO" ?
The "WE" of 2,000 years ago who were JUST for the first time hearing of Jesus? And had not YET become Converted?
Of course an Unconverted man must take care to not be deceived.
You don't seriously believe ANYONE can DECEIVE a Converted man and RIP that man out of the Hands of God....Do you?
but Paul says that many will fall for mans fables and will block their ears to the truths. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
Many "WHO" ?
The Ones WHO, have not yet Converted?
Because there were MEN 2,000 years ago, up to this day it continues....that Men SHOP around for a RELIGION to Believe....
Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Tao, blah, blah...
Today...it's a Hollymud, Celebrity, Worldly "THING TO DO"....get a Guru, designer sheet and be with the hip crowd with the Latest RELIGIOUS "FASHION" !!
Yeah, not news. And does not APPLY to a man Converted in Christ.
I ask that you really, seriously consider the possibility that you have believed teachings from people you have trusted, that were in fact, in error and do not have a solid Biblical foundation.
Perhaps you should take your own advise.
Apparently that IS what YOU have done.
I have only admitted to Scripture and Jesus Christ being my Teacher....so why you presume otherwise is edging on your own imagination.
I am curious for you to HIGHLIGHT exactly what you think is this DECEPTION that you accuse me of.
Glory to God,
Taken