Amillennial Error

[CoreIssue]

No, this is like the argument suggesting that Christ did away with the law, which he did not. But as he explained, he did not come to do away with the law and the prophets, but to "fulfill" it. Likewise, a would-be literal thousand year millennial kingdom explanation, does not mean there is none exactly according to the scriptures...but rather that it explains it in its true spiritual meaning.

First of all, time, is made up, "created", even proven non-existent by science. So...just as all things manifest by God to declare them to men in their sight, time is merely a form of media which has no literal spiritual reality. On the contrary, God is real, and in fact it is the kingdom of God that is the standard of what is actually literal - not the would-be natural laws of this fallen world. All of which means that the term "a thousand years" is simply a translation of a reality of God that may take that long for fallen men to grasp it. Nothing more. So, unless one is willing to go through "the renewing of your mind", yes, you are looking at a thousand years...and the term could just as well have been "not in your lifetime."

Thus, this whole argument and difference of belief and opinion...is really just the measure of who is where in the process of coming around to thinking as God thinks, as opposed to the way men think.

Otherwise, the scriptures are absolutely true...they just need to be understood properly. Meaning that actual "biblical literalism" is a far cry from worldly literalism...and cannot actually be explained or understood "literally" in worldly terms.

You are still denying a literal MK on the earth by Christ.

 

[CoreIssue]

The restoration of Israel happens in the resurrection of believers into the new heavens and earth on the last day.

There is no nation of Israel on the new earth.

As I told you before, the Bible says you heaven, not new heavens.

 

[ScottA]

You are still denying a literal MK on the earth by Christ.

No. But when you understand that there is nothing literal about "a thousand years"...perhaps in a thousand years...then we can talk further about it.

Meanwhile, try this exercise: Pretend there is no such thing as time (just as it is with God), and then try to define the term "a thousand years."

 

[CoreIssue]

No. But when you understand that there is nothing literal about "a thousand years"...perhaps in a thousand years...then we can talk further about it.

Meanwhile, try this exercise: Pretend there is no such thing as time (just as it is with God), and then try to define the term "a thousand years."

It is stated quite literally the Bible.

 

[ScottA]

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Pre-tribulation rapture

Here is another exercise for you: Pretend there is no "time" and there is no "line" (just as there is none with God)...and then lets see your timeline.

 

[ScottA]

It is stated quite literally the Bible.

Slow down, you're breaking up.

But, no, it is rather stated quite literally that the "words are spirit" and therefore relative to our timeless God, rather than to fallen men...and that the words must be "discerned spiritually" rather than literally as the world defines "literal."

 

[CoreIssue]

Here is another exercise for you: Pretend there is no "time" and there is not "line" (just as there is none with God)...and then lets see your timeline.

Why what I do something stupid like that?

 

[CoreIssue]

Slow down, you're breaking up.

But, no, it is rather stated quite literally that the "words are spirit" and therefore relative to our timeless God, rather than to fallen men...and that the words must be "discerned spiritually" rather than literally as the world defines "literal."

Words are never called spirit.

 

[ScottA]

Words are never called spirit.

John 6:63
"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life."

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You know...I could do this every day here with you. But, seriously, I am not going to make a career out of it. Meanwhile...you should really stop acting like you know anything. Stop preaching.

 

[tzcho2]

That only the born again can see the present kingdom is true according to Jesus.

Really Dave L.?? I believe you ripped that term off from fundamentalist believers, who take a literal interpretation of the Bible.

 

[CoreIssue]

John 6:63
"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life."

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You know...I could do this every day here with you. But, seriously, I am not going to make a career out of it. Meanwhile...you should really stop acting like you know anything. Stop preaching.

Another KJV's problem.

You are applying meaning of spirit.

John 6:63 New International Version (NIV)
63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirita]">[a] and life.

 

[Dave L]

Really Dave L.?? I believe you ripped that term off from fundamentalist believers, who take a literal interpretation of the Bible.

If someone cannot see the kingdom of faith, already here. And looks for a kingdom of sight in the future, they might not be saved.

 

[CoreIssue]

If someone cannot see the kingdom of faith, already here. And looks for a kingdom of sight in the future, they might not be saved.

You are denying the Bible.

 

[Dave L]

You are denying the Bible.

No, you and the pharisees are.

 

[tzcho2]

No, you and the pharisees are.

That is totally the opposite of reality Dave. We don't ignore scriptures preferring our own beliefs as you do.

 

[ScottA]

Another KJV's problem.

You are applying meaning of spirit.

John 6:63 New International Version (NIV)
63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirita]">[a] and life.

The answer here is not in translations or interpretations made by men, but in the fact that God is spirit. In that correct context, the only literal context...His words are spirit.

 

[CoreIssue]

The answer here is not in translations or interpretations made by men, but in the fact that God is spirit. In that correct context, the only literal context...His words are spirit.

The way you are using spirit says they have independent life, which they do not.

The correct usage is doing something in the spirit all, which does not imply life at all.

I know you think you are a prophet, but that would be a false prophet.

 

[ScottA]

The way you are using spirit says they have independent life, which they do not.

The correct usage is doing something in the spirit all, which does not imply life at all.

I know you think you are a prophet, but that would be a false prophet.

Now that is quotable - you're really loosing it!

That is...since Jesus said, "they are life."

 

[Enoch111]

If someone cannot see the kingdom of faith, already here. And looks for a kingdom of sight in the future, they might not be saved.

The reverse is closer to reality. No one other than God can see hearts at this time. But one day the whole world will see a real, visible Kingdom of God on earth.

 

[Earburner]

The reverse is closer to reality. No one other than God can see hearts at this time. But one day the whole world will see a real, visible Kingdom of God on earth.

Your heart is already duped IN THE strong delusion, that God IS now sending to believe a lie.
If you are interested in how to "Save the Planet",
you will sign up to be a "Caretaker" of this old earth, thinking that it will be "THE" "Millennium".