What to do when you are beyond repentance?

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Nancy

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This is really difficult for me to say and It’s been really difficult for me to admit but I find myself uninterested in repentance on a heart level. I know that I need repentance but on a heart level I’m not seeing a need for it. My will wants to but my heart isn’t interested. I feel almost a hatred for God. By my strength of will I keep crying out but there’s no heart sincerity behind it. Is this the point of no return or might He soften my heart and have mercy on me?

It sounds to me you were never saved to begin with then as, He lets nothing snatch His children out of His hand. I "faked it to make it" for a good 4 years until...I did not have to fake a thing :) I just never stopped asking for His will in my life...and as my prayer was sincere, He has brought that to be a reality.
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Hi, Batheltler,

If you were ever saved--you are still saved. Period. But, if you are saved, you have certainly lost the "joy of salvation". While you are currently battling a "dark night of the soul" be assured that, since you care, repentance is still possible. Even if you don't feel like it--faith is not a feeling. Believers often get "soul exhaustion" when they have a besetting sin that they keep falling into. It seems that you have been battling this in your own strength and the Holy Spirit will often allow us to come to the end of ourselves, in His quest to rule over our hearts. The fact that you hate the sin is evidence that there is a struggle going on between your spirit and your flesh.

You might want to think of it this way--you have been trying, in your own strength, NOT to be and do what Satan bids you to do. That is to actually grant him too much power over your heart. Satan's demons operate well when the believer is in the negative mindset of trying not to sin. They know how to poke tempting thoughts into our heads--remember, they know our personal histories even better than we can recall. Believe me, you are simply not strong enough, in yourself, to battle the demons associated with sexual sin. It is one area where believers often fail repeatedly. That is why the new Gentile converts, told about, in the Book of Acts, were indirectly told to stay away from the pagan temples. They were told not to eat meat sacrificed to idols, for example--and the pagan temples were where you went to get it. All of the other things which they were told to avoid in Acts 15:19-21 were, in fact, associated with the pagan temples. In staying away from the pagan temples, they would not be tempted into other sins (temple prostitution, for example.) That teaching was reinforced with being told directly to avoid sexual immorality. But they did not leave them floundering--the Jerusalem council sent a delegation to the church at Antioch (which was something of a center for the Gentile churches of Asia Minor) to encourage and strengthen the faith of the believers there. The Holy Spirit can and will take away your desire to engage in sexual immorality but you may need to seek out the laying on of hands for healing you of the spiritual sickness that has overtaken you. Kicking any addiction is not fun, but it is possible through the power of the Holy Spirit (hint: that is why He is called our "Helper"). Your part is to quit re-wounding yourself and allow the Holy Spirit to heal you. At first, you may need to rely on the strength of another male believer who has been successful, to pray for and encourage you. Many churches have pornography-addiction ministries now--it would be good to find one and attend regularly. Prayer is extremely important--both by others for you and by you for yourself. When you are tempted--pray.

You will need to analyze when you fail--is it when you are lonely? Then avoid being alone. Replace a negative (feeling lonely) with a positive--helping others. You can easily find ways to replace a negative with a positive: helping the poor, volunteering at a church to cut the lawn, cooking for spiritual retreats, etc. Those who are successful learn these techniques. Not only does the alcoholic stay away from bars and those who drink, he helps the old widow next door to paint the trim on her house, patch her screen door, etc. When he is doing these things, he is not feeling unhappy and seeking to medicate his unhappiness with the [dubious] "pleasure" of being drunk.

I have prayed for you and will continue to do so as the Lord brings you to mind.
 
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Quite honestly it is actually arrogance to believe the lie of the devil that you are "beyond repentance".

King David was consumed with lust, not only stole someones wife. He also had the woman's husband killed, so he could have her.

He knew where to go...he know who would make him clean again. And we read what God said about him and how much He loved him.

Abraham, lied about his wife because he was afraid. He also took his wife's servant to get a child. NOT what God had told him to do. Yet we know what God thought of Abraham.

Lot, incest with his two daughters...yet God mention 'righteous Lot' in the NT.

Many many great men have blown it....so who are you!!!:confused:
 
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Quite honestly it is actually arrogance to believe the lie of the devil that you are "beyond repentance".

King David was consumed with lust, not only stole someones wife. He also had the woman's wife killed so he could have her.

He knew where to go...he know who would make him clean again. And we read what God said about him and how much He loved him.

Abraham, lied about his wife because he was afraid. He also took his wife's servant to get a child. NOT what God had told him to do. Yet we know what God thought of Abraham.

Lot, incest with his two daughters...yet God mention 'righteous Lot' in the NT.

Many many great men have blown it....so who are you!!!:confused:
Did David marry a lesbian? LOL (See, some of us actually DO read your posts!)
 

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@batheltler01

We all have our thorn in the side. The only unforgivable sin is giving up. Adam and Eve gave up rather than running to God for forgiveness. It is too bad that a chemical reaction in your brain, which will be altered when you age and depending on the medications you may be taking in the future, might cause you to turn away from God! I suggest you weather this storm - we’ve all dealt with it at one time or another. A person in my past used to say, ‘welcome to humanity!’ When I meantioned my struggle with habitual sin
Having read through all of the posts I come back to this one as expressing the solution God gave me for "besetting sins" [see Heb 12:1]. That is as @aspen puts it, don't be "giving up". This amounts to the becoming "weary in well doing" Paul writes about here:

"But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing." II Thess 3:13

Each time you know or believe that you have failed to please God by an action or and inaction, repent immediately even if you do not feel a strong conviction or incentive to do so. Just because you don't feel better immediately does not mean to stop repenting as best you can each time you repeat what you have determined to be an error/sin.

As more than one has already said, you would not be here asking this if your sin were beyond repentance and unforgivable by God. Quitting in their "well doing" efforts is why many people ending up losing out with God finally and completely. Don't quit trying to do better and don't quit repenting. After being what I considered back slid for about 10 years I pressed in and never quit repenting and trying and repenting and trying. That period for me ended back in 2002. When God finally answered me in a way I could understand, I had gone for more than a year of trying and repenting repeatedly. I refused to give up and so must you refuse to give up. No perceivable answer from God is NOT a reason to give up.
 
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LOL Really, King David had Bathsheba's wife killed so he could have her. Sounds to much like today's reality.:D

Thank you.

Okay, okay, @Willie T , @Lady Crosstalk @Nancy

So you all 'caught it'.!! A bit of a whoops there. Red face.

I haven't checked back into this thread , so only just seeing them all!! :D

Finally a laugh today. :)
 

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Thank you.

Okay, okay, @Willie T , @Lady Crosstalk @Nancy

So you all 'caught it'.!! A bit of a whoops there. Red face.

I haven't checked back into this thread , so only just seeing them all!! :D

Finally a laugh today. :)
LOL Really, King David had Bathsheba's wife killed so he could have her. Sounds to much like today's reality.:D
And yeah, Christ is of the lineage of David, was given the Davidic covenant and during the MK Christ will sit on his throne.

Then afterwords Christ will hand over his kingship to God, who the whole universe, what ever that may be at the time.
 

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This is really difficult for me to say and It’s been really difficult for me to admit but I find myself uninterested in repentance on a heart level. I know that I need repentance but on a heart level I’m not seeing a need for it. My will wants to but my heart isn’t interested. I feel almost a hatred for God. By my strength of will I keep crying out but there’s no heart sincerity behind it. Is this the point of no return or might He soften my heart and have mercy on me?

That you fear judgement shows you are not as lost as you think you are.

May I suggest two things.
That you re examine what you believe about Christianity, go over the theology of salvation, the holiness of God etc etc etc

Talk to your minister. He will know you better then we do.
 
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you might try um actually following Christ's instructions literally, start with His commands to the Seventy. Or, keep hanging out with believers and ministers and whatnot, your choice. But fwiw once you do the first one, you won't be doing the second one anymore i guess

Talk to your minister about that!
 

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My will wants to but my heart isn’t interested. I feel almost a hatred for God. By my strength of will I keep crying out but there’s no heart sincerity behind it. Is this the point of no return or might He soften my heart and have mercy on me?

I know we are all probably giving different advice ...that the trouble in talking to people...but between us all, truth is there...let God sort it out for you.

The thing is, I believe that you are over-thinking things.
Try 'not thinking' you are much more likely to know how and what to do by not 'thinking' it.

As for you comment about 'almost hating' God.
I can tell you right now, God IS BIG...He can take it!!
A couple of times in my life I have got so angry with Him.
My best friend, who I would say was an awesome strong dedicated Christian.
We'd prayer together for years, talked about the word of God. Then something happened to her, and she went sideways.

It was such a shock to me, I didn't see it coming.
I took the dog for a long walk over the fields, and I yelled at God.
I was so angry.
I yelled telling Him that if He couldn't keep my friend "to the end"...then I was done with Him. etc etc

Obviously I didn't walk away. And she was gone for about two years. 86 now and still loves the Lord. She knew where her peace lay.

God says- I'd rather you were hot or cold ,,,,He hates lukewarm. :)

This "Beyond repentance" thing as I said before, is not where you are at.
It you were beyond...then you wouldn't give a fig about anything.
 
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Do You Think Too Much? What Neuroscientists and Yogis Say...

i've known ppl who can do it in two weeks, took me two years lol.
best of luck ok

Have you ever read any of Dr Leaf's stuff 'over thinking' and negative thinking and what it does to our system?
I like reading her better than watching her... but both are very good.
We can see why God talks about 'how we think' in the bible in relation to our health.

I keep seeing typos and mistakes in my already posted responses.
Red face.
I hope people just think that maybe English is not my first language!! :D