9-11 apparently a false flag - what will the next one be?

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Soverign Grace

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Your welcome.....:rolleyes:

DEBUNK #1: Government employees can NOT keep a secret. If 9/11 was a conspiracy LOT'S of people would be talking. NO ONE is talking.

DEBUNK #2: MULTIPLE other demolition experts laugh at the conspiracy theorist and have said it was NOT a controlled demolition and it would have been IMPOSSIBLE to pull off the way the conspiracy theorist have said it happened. The appearance of a controlled explosion is called "pancaking".....look it up!!!

DEBUNK #3: It would have taken weeks, if not months, to plant thousands of pounds of explosives in the buildings. NO ONE EVER saw anything....NO ONE.....EVER!!!

DEBUNK #4: The original link you provided suggest no planes even hit the towers. That is completely and utterly ridiculous nonsense that would only be suggested and believed by a delusional person. The original link you provide lacks credibility just based on that ignorant delusional statement.

I could go on but sadly nothing will change your mind.

Mary

#1 I can't locate the statements right now but if you research you'll find that some who claimed that no plane flew into the building were scooped up by the FBI and then changed their story.

#2 Opinions are as different as people. I trust the person who personally witnessed many demolitions and made the offhand remark that the buildings collapsed as if done by demolition. They are no conspiracy theorist and didn't research it to be swayed one way or another. It was just that: an honest offhand remark.

#3 How do you know with certainty how long it takes to plant explosives - are you a demolitions expert? Someone could surreptitiously do it IMO. But it's something that you can research.

#4 That's your opinion that you believe that it's utterly ridiculous nonsense that would only be suggested and believed by a delusional person. Funny: my best friend said that about me when I told her I became a Christian. I hold the opinion that the reverse is true.

I could go on but sadly it won't change your mind. Looks like a stalemate.

Each of us has differing experiences throughout our lives: we work at various places, alongside different people, have varying levels of intelligence, different levels of education, move in different circles, and many other variables too numerous to recount.

When people become heated about an issue I think that's a sign to stop discussion and that's what has happened here. Every single person should research for themselves and never take another's word for or against an issue. But from my experience, sometimes the truth is buried under a mountain of lies. But it's up to each person to look for the truth no matter where it leads them. I've read the statement that those who don't remember the past are destined to repeat it. We would do well to remember how the masses of the Germans were deceived. THE MASSES. Those planning false flags know all the tricks and possess a cunning intellect. If you've ever studied psychopathy you'd see how those types often function in high level positions, not just as mass murderers. Like functioning alcoholics there are functioning psychopaths. I'll leave you with this article:

Psychopaths Rule the World:

"Masters of Manipulation": Psychopaths Rule The World - Global Research
 
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I am not so sure, there is Maintence work, building work, going on all the time in office buildings - you get enough people on board and things can be well hidden under floor boards, within the ceiling recesses - granted it would have to be done in a very clever and maticulous way, but it would not be impossible - just for the record though, I am on the fence with this one. I do believe that there are powers that be who are influencing people in power, and nothing would surprise me in this world as to how far people would go in order to gain the control they want-I am also aware that Satan in well able to manipulate in order to gain what he ultimately wants within this world, and he is able to use many different people in all walks of life.

I find your end comment really interesting from a Christian perspective ' you only trust what is possible ' personally faith in stills in us the need to often trust in what is impossible !
Christians have a glimpse of what is really going on in this world, a spiritual battle in the heavenlies ( Ephesians chapter 6 ) They also have amazing view into the future through the book of revelation, although I believe we have been living in that insight for the last 2000 years - people would have believed that ' no one ' could have risen from the dead and walk amongst people - but Jesus did !
and yet, many today don't believe that - because they cannot see him and can only go on what they think they know!

I think that if we could actually ' see ' all that is hidden in this world, all the behind scenes of how events have unfolded- all the corruption over the years , I think all of us would be amazed at how blind we often are - within Gods word we do have glimpses, because God does not want us to be Ignorent becasue we, as Christians are included in that battle as we pray and intercede for this world and the people within it- but also we are called not to live in fear.

Rita

Very good insight and analogy Rita.
 

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Hi Helen - that's a good verse from Kings. You're right - no one does know for certain about Trump - and I will vote for him in the next election although I don't think that our votes even matter anymore. God allowed me to be incapacitated for several years and I did a lot of research since I couldn't do much else which is why not many people followed the same path - although I have read that some people have had their eyes opened. From my research I learned that the illuminati have control of the news - even Fox who caters to Christians. They control the entertainment industry and education, and of course the banks. I met a teacher who clued me in on how dangerous Common Core is. They essentially keep a file on each child and track them. I haven't read what the purpose for that is yet, but I tend to think that they're looking for people who they can control, and those who are independent-minded may wind up in a FEMA camp. I'm not sure about this and haven't found that in any research, but it was something that I thought may be a possibility. If you read about their goals, they state that they want to flood America with less intelligent migrants (these are NOT my beliefs - it's what they have stated) so they can control these less intelligent people. I think that's why they flooded America with drugs - to thin out the children of the middle class since they are the ones who have the $$ to buy drugs.

When I researched for those years I learned that there are evil spirits assigned to every church and I believe that they're assigned to every Christian forum, every Revival meeting, and anywhere that God brings truth. I haven't studied that in-depth but have heard it taught about Christian churches. Chip Ingram said that he found a goats head across from his church in CA. He learned that local satanists were praying against him. Billy Graham said as he took a ship to evangelize in China he was overcome by a heavy spirit of oppression and depression.

Please take the time to watch this video:

9-11 mural van:
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The police allegedly stopped this van after 9-11 - it was allegedly full of explosives and Mossad agents. The mural has a plane crashing into the towers.

Brakelite showed me Walter Veith's videos and it shows various photos of the twin towers on fire before it happened. You can find his videos online.

I don't think any of us on here are rocket scientists - we seem to be a collection of regular people with average jobs, and average intelligence. The people in these high positions are those trained at the top colleges. They're trained how to manipulate using psychology and other means. If you look back to the history of America, it has had a dark past of testing on its own citizens such as the releasing of gas into NY subways and the CIA giving LSD surreptitiously to its own agents. Is it much a stretch of the imagination that they would have a false flag to reach certain objectives since some of these people are conscienceless and taken over by evil? Look up Skull & Bones - they're dealing with the evil one - there is real intelligent power there. Remember Satan is a fallen cherub, with all the faculties of apparently a highly intelligent spirit.

I dated a guy in MENSA years ago - they're people who operate at a higher level of thinking than the average person. I dealt with people who were some of the worst manipulators I've ever come across. They don't think normally - they're always thinking three steps ahead and they're motives are evil but they do things that manipulate others - and they do it well. They use kindness as a tool; not because they're kind, but because they're manipulating the emotions of others who they want to control. They take action as if they're top chess players and you had to out-think them or they would bury you. I don't know why God allowed me to deal with those evil individuals as it put a lot of strain on me. But it opened my eyes to how highly manipulative people think and act. Maybe that "training ground" was for a reason. You just can't take things for granted that are served up to the public for consumption. There are puppet masters behind the curtain just like Oz.
I must say SG, all you have written here pretty much covers much of what I was very into for years. It was so interesting I decided to actually sit and watch C-SPAN...you want to talk boring??!:eek: lol. If somebody wants the truth as to who actually voted for or against something, other than Facebook Memes :rolleyes: , they must do their own homework. Cable News is all for profit. They pander to their bases and are told what to report, and...how to report it...And do NOT get me started on Blackwater! Lol.
It has been quite a few years since I have pulled myself away more and more from politics. Since Reagan, the Republicans started to pander to the conservative Christians, I have heard (and might just try to look it up) the reason they wanted them for their base is due to how a group of Christians reacted to something Reagan said about God. His adviser at the time in, I believe '81 recognized the reaction and since then, took off with it. Talk the talk and you are in! Matters not if they truly ARE Christians as long as they say the right words. It has morphed into Republican=Christian/Moral Majority and Democrat=baby killing/God hating homos- which, BTW are both wedge issues and have been for decades...why do you think Roe v Wade is still in effect after all these decades? Especially when you think of the time where Republicans had control of House, Senate AND Executive branches in Bush II Admin.?? They would lose a pretty big chunk of their base with no wedge issues...
I do have a problem with any US President that would speak against Israel. We can be one or two issue voters and let the rest go by the wayside, and STILL the issues we vote against persist :/
Anyhow, you touched on many things I myself have done a long time ago...this is a dark world and getting darker everyday. The affairs of this world do not consume me any longer...I was quite passionate about it! Haha! Now, that passion has turned toward the things of God ♥ And, all we have to do is open His Word to catch the news :)
 

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I can add any comment that I want - you're behaving as if you can dictate to another. Check your halo and pride at the door because I buckle to no one.
My pride?? because I've dared to say it's all CT nonsense? where have a dictated to you or anyone? I've given my opinion period.
I've never lifted myself up and I'm not the one who said some lady said I had discernment to try to add to my credibility.
 

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You just lost all credibility with me.....
I must say SG, all you have written here pretty much covers much of what I was very into for years. It was so interesting I decided to actually sit and watch C-SPAN...you want to talk boring??!:eek: lol. If somebody wants the truth as to who actually voted for or against something, other than Facebook Memes :rolleyes: , they must do their own homework. Cable News is all for profit. They pander to their bases and are told what to report, and...how to report it...And do NOT get me started on Blackwater! Lol.
It has been quite a few years since I have pulled myself away more and more from politics. Since Reagan, the Republicans started to pander to the conservative Christians, I have heard (and might just try to look it up) the reason they wanted them for their base is due to how a group of Christians reacted to something Reagan said about God. His adviser at the time in, I believe '81 recognized the reaction and since then, took off with it. Talk the talk and you are in! Matters not if they truly ARE Christians as long as they say the right words. It has morphed into Republican=Christian/Moral Majority and Democrat=baby killing/God hating homos- which, BTW are both wedge issues and have been for decades...why do you think Roe v Wade is still in effect after all these decades? Especially when you think of the time where Republicans had control of House, Senate AND Executive branches in Bush II Admin.?? They would lose a pretty big chunk of their base with no wedge issues...
I do have a problem with any US President that would speak against Israel. We can be one or two issue voters and let the rest go by the wayside, and STILL the issues we vote against persist :/
Anyhow, you touched on many things I myself have done a long time ago...this is a dark world and getting darker everyday. The affairs of this world do not consume me any longer...I was quite passionate about it! Haha! Now, that passion has turned toward the things of God ♥ And, all we have to do is open His Word to catch the news :)

There is so much deception in politics Nancy that I actually hate them. Once you go down the rabbit hole it gets pretty dark and I don't have the stomach for it. But I believe that as Christians we have a duty to hold to the truth and I don't want to be deceived. Politics are as old as Christ's day when the Pharisees sought to put Him to death. Liars hate the truth. But you're right - they learn what words to say to evoke a specific reaction and Christians fall for the hook many times. Other people don't want the truth because it dashes their hopes, and challenges their preconceived notions.

When I was in college I did a report on the Kitty Genovese syndrome, where dozens of people sat by as a young woman was murdered in the street. How could that many people sit by and hear those piteous screams? Why didn't someone break through the delusion and help that woman? From memory it's called "Bystander Apathy" - it's a psychological phenomena. The high-functioning liars/ psychopaths study these things and utilize them to evoke specific reactions among the public. I urge everyone to read the article link above "Psychopaths Rule the World." It may open a few eyes.

Your'e right that the world is growing darker by the day. It's to the point where I get weak in the knees reading the news. One of the biggest things that bother me is how these evil individuals have control of education. They've been pushing the most devilish garbage the unregenerate mind can conceive. It makes me see that we can only do whatever small part that we can and then pray because they have their hooks in education, media, entertainment, politics, and even in the church. Scripture warns us to "not be ignorant of the devil's devices."

In bible study the pastor said to focus on Christ first. And I think that has merit here. I think we have a duty to share what we find and it's up to each person to pray and ask God to show them the truth. And the rest is left up to God.

Heaven looks better to me all the time because these days are dark. In the end the only one that we can rely on is Christ in the face of the evil that has come upon the world. Job 5:12 reads: "He disappointeth the devices of the crafty, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise." We have to hold onto that and our faith.
 

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There is so much deception in politics Nancy that I actually hate them. Once you go down the rabbit hole it gets pretty dark and I don't have the stomach for it. But I believe that as Christians we have a duty to hold to the truth and I don't want to be deceived. Politics are as old as Christ's day when the Pharisees sought to put Him to death. Liars hate the truth. But you're right - they learn what words to say to evoke a specific reaction and Christians fall for the hook many times. Other people don't want the truth because it dashes their hopes, and challenges their preconceived notions.

When I was in college I did a report on the Kitty Genovese syndrome, where dozens of people sat by as a young woman was murdered in the street. How could that many people sit by and hear those piteous screams? Why didn't someone break through the delusion and help that woman? From memory it's called "Bystander Apathy" - it's a psychological phenomena. The high-functioning liars/ psychopaths study these things and utilize them to evoke specific reactions among the public. I urge everyone to read the article link above "Psychopaths Rule the World." It may open a few eyes.

Your'e right that the world is growing darker by the day. It's to the point where I get weak in the knees reading the news. One of the biggest things that bother me is how these evil individuals have control of education. They've been pushing the most devilish garbage the unregenerate mind can conceive. It makes me see that we can only do whatever small part that we can and then pray because they have their hooks in education, media, entertainment, politics, and even in the church. Scripture warns us to "not be ignorant of the devil's devices."

In bible study the pastor said to focus on Christ first. And I think that has merit here. I think we have a duty to share what we find and it's up to each person to pray and ask God to show them the truth. And the rest is left up to God.

Heaven looks better to me all the time because these days are dark. In the end the only one that we can rely on is Christ in the face of the evil that has come upon the world. Job 5:12 reads: "He disappointeth the devices of the crafty, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise." We have to hold onto that and our faith.

Voting was something I had done without fail. And, since I see the "cares of this world" infringing on my own focus on The Lord, I have decided to not vote, simply pray for whom ever God puts in that office. The electoral vote is more important than the peoples...many of these people vote in name recognition only, having no idea what their local Reps. have or have not voted on...for or against. I can say most would be surprised to know how their pet politicians vote.
Good points. SG
 
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Your source the Centre for Global Research is a Far Left conspiracy site out of Montreal Quebec. It belongs to michel Chossuduvosky who is a prof from u of ottawa . He is the Canadian version of Noam Chomsky. Chossuduvosky is anti-Semitic, he is a Holocaust denier and blames the Jews for 911. He's a left-wing Conspiracy theory author, who is anti-Jew and is pro- Islam and anti-America, & pro-Palestinian. It turns out Chossuduvosky the CT Professor Chossuduvosky who is a prolific CT writer who along with his colleagues spews out all the hate towards the "evil" American government , he has questionable political allies & supports Hamas according to article by Adara Press & B'nai B'rth is not fond of him either. "B'nai Brith Canada files complaint over 'wild theories' that blame Jews for 9/11"

Zionist ADL Attacks Scholar Michel Chossudovsky
Why would any sane, reasonable human being deny the Holocaust? & why would any Christians swallow anything that proceeds from that kind of deceived mind?

Michel Chossudovsky and Imam Rauf, co-supporters of Iran and Hamas. Providing cover and enlisting support for US foreign policy (Part 12)
"Michel Chossudovsky and Imam Rauf, co-supporters of Iran and Hamas. Providing cover and enlisting support for US foreign policy (Part 12)"


U of O professor accused of hosting anti-Semitic website (Page 1 of 2) - Newspapers.com
U of O professor accused of hosting anti-Semitic website (Page 2 of 2) - Newspapers.com
 
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How do you know with certainty how long it takes to plant explosives - are you a demolitions expert? Someone could surreptitiously do it IMO. But it's something that you can research.
Whole building off limits the prior weekend, unusual unmarked vans going into the basement all weekend, something like that, i forget now
 

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To place blame on others...
Inside jobs happen all the time. No one "sees" what is hidden from them. Look how long these militant Muslims take to plan out their attacks, I'm sure they are NOT planned overnight.
curious why you deem them Muslims when the very first page of the Qur'an condemns them for conflating violence with Islam?