9-11 apparently a false flag - what will the next one be?

[tzcho2]

Much of the truther info comes from David Ray Griffin who is a prolific 9/11 Truther author and has become the high priest of the 9/11 truthers. Interestingly Griffin is a retired American professor of philosophy of religion and theology for Claremont School of Theology which is United Methodist. Griffin taught Progressive theology which is a False Teaching if anyone is an actual Bible-believing Christian, so Griffin is a False teacher. Process theology does not believe the Bible is inspired by God neither does it believe that the Bible is the final authority, it also does not believe in the deity of Jesus Christ. Process theology preaches that God is ever-changing & evolving--this is contrary to what the bible states.
I don't believe what this guy states as his beliefs as a Christian theologian, so according to the Bible, as far as theology goes, Griffin is a false teacher who teaches falsehoods, heresies & preaches deception , so any Christian especially should question his credibility.

 

[tzcho2]

I'll leave you with this: Satan operates in deception. The whole world lies in wickedness and deception.

Interesting that you think you have to tell me this? no worries, my feet are on the ground and I believe the Bible is God inspired, inerrant, authoritative word. Sorry, but the truther stuff is nonsense, it is frightening that it actually spins lies and convinces some individuals to believe these lies. It is upside down, they believe the lie is truth and the truth is a lie. It is Isaiah 5:20. There are so many people who Satan has pulled the wool over their eyes. I personally think you mean well, but are deceived believing people like Griffin and I think he is deceived and promotes the deception just as he did teaching process theology. He is probably a very rich man.

 

[tzcho2]

Seen the "news aired once on 911, and never shown again" one yet? Youtube

Tampered by deceivers, poorly , it was spliced.
Here is the original Video below, I recall watching this report and you can hear exactly what Jamie McIntyre said in context during the interview not the cut and spliced together version that is used to promote LIES .

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

There is so much deception in politics Nancy that I actually hate them. Once you go down the rabbit hole it gets pretty dark and I don't have the stomach for it. But I believe that as Christians we have a duty to hold to the truth and I don't want to be deceived. Politics are as old as Christ's day when the Pharisees sought to put Him to death. Liars hate the truth. But you're right - they learn what words to say to evoke a specific reaction and Christians fall for the hook many times. Other people don't want the truth because it dashes their hopes, and challenges their preconceived notions.

When I was in college I did a report on the Kitty Genovese syndrome, where dozens of people sat by as a young woman was murdered in the street. How could that many people sit by and hear those piteous screams? Why didn't someone break through the delusion and help that woman? From memory it's called "Bystander Apathy" - it's a psychological phenomena. The high-functioning liars/ psychopaths study these things and utilize them to evoke specific reactions among the public. I urge everyone to read the article link above "Psychopaths Rule the World." It may open a few eyes.

Your'e right that the world is growing darker by the day. It's to the point where I get weak in the knees reading the news. One of the biggest things that bother me is how these evil individuals have control of education. They've been pushing the most devilish garbage the unregenerate mind can conceive. It makes me see that we can only do whatever small part that we can and then pray because they have their hooks in education, media, entertainment, politics, and even in the church. Scripture warns us to "not be ignorant of the devil's devices."

In bible study the pastor said to focus on Christ first. And I think that has merit here. I think we have a duty to share what we find and it's up to each person to pray and ask God to show them the truth. And the rest is left up to God.

Heaven looks better to me all the time because these days are dark. In the end the only one that we can rely on is Christ in the face of the evil that has come upon the world. Job 5:12 reads: "He disappointeth the devices of the crafty, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise." We have to hold onto that and our faith.

I remember I went back to the town that I lived in for most of my old school days and was staying with at a best mates place.
One night sitting out on the deck 2 story's high, a woman was running up the road screaming for help and 2 abos were after her, just too rape her ? I would expect.
When I got up to go help, my mate grabbed me insisted not to, hell no ! he said, sit down and shut up ! because the abos would come and attack his place and their would be hell for him to come for years, if we interfered and we would most likely be made out to be the bad ones in court, it's like dealing with a millionaire's brat son, because them lot are backed up to the hilt with government money all the way and the lawyers love that money.
So as to try and keep the numbers down in the jails and as the governments are seen by fools and the media running about peddling their gibberish, due to such as the ratio of abos is higher than that of all others in jail is a sin.
So this ratio has to come down ? or the government will be hounded as being racist etc etc.
Problem is that most fools scratch their head and can not work out why the figures are not equal, so they claim racism is the only possible answer as to why such is so.
So they fudge the figures and hide as much as they possibly can.
The police that I know well are openly admitting to me many a time, that such is the case that they have to try some how to hide the figures best they can from orders from right up high, or they will be in hot water if they don't.
So in a town like that, they are under as much pressure to hide the reality's of the town to the world.
So the Mayor and the head of Police will be targeted as racist if they do not try to cover up the reality of the truth, so sadly that is what some of the public or government want.
If I did not know any better and knowing the reality I had to give way to my mates demand as it's his place and I know the hell he could be put through and he would loose his job and made out to be a monster in the eyes of the public.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The media of the last few years has peddles to help out another if a fight starts or an argument, but I have warned my wife and children not to ever get involved because you never now who that bugger is. leave it to the police.
So unless you know how to deal with someone who may come at you with a knife, don't get involved, because you will be the one coming out second best or dead. not to mention that the drug'o etc will get off most likely or could not care if he went back into jail anyway as it's just a holiday camp in Australian jails, you get it better off than being in a old age home.

I have come across scammer's that will play you, they will make out that the man is threatening a woman and then they will turn it on you, that you were the one who started it all and then play you for money or you are going to have to defend yourself in court and most likely go to jail, as it's two against ones word.

It's not like it was before the 1990's where the cops will know that the bums are playing you and kick them out of the police station for who they truly are, it's because of Political Correctness that the Law now has to follow a line that has no common sense, it's that pathetic.
So the local cop knows a scumbag who makes a living out of playing games like such, will be tossed out of the station, but due to Political Correctness he can not judge such, he has to play the game, knowing full well what muggins is up too.

Just look at the games that Political Party's get up too. fact is hat there is nothing moral about such people, it's dog eat dog, they are the lowest of the low and it's only going to get worse, as it's out of the hands of the people now as it's the norm.

 

[bbyrd009]

Tampered by deceivers, poorly , it was spliced.
Here is the original Video below, I recall watching this report and you can hear exactly what Jamie McIntyre said in context during the interview not the cut and spliced together version that is used to promote LIES .

yes, the first one is spliced to intro the guy, and the one you post was a later broadcast after he changed his story I guess, there was even some kerfluffle about it at the time, I forget now. pretty obviously his voice throughout, and pretty obviously different stories, but as you have already made up your mind I don't see much point in going over it again ok.

but you say the cut and splice came from the original, yet where are his missing words? see, all you can do is provide the later, amended one, which might indeed have been the first one you heard, yes. "windshield" and all that yack was later, at least an hour later I think

ty for the reveal once again, and Stand There as long as you like ok, you are forgiven

 

[Soverign Grace]

My pride?? because I've dared to say it's all CT nonsense? where have a dictated to you or anyone? I've given my opinion period.
I've never lifted myself up and I'm not the one who said some lady said I had discernment to try to add to my credibility.

I'm not going to argue with you - I don't have the energy. Ask God to show you.

 

[bbyrd009]

Tampered by deceivers, poorly , it was spliced.
Here is the original Video below, I recall watching this report and you can hear exactly what Jamie McIntyre said in context during the interview not the cut and spliced together version that is used to promote LIES .

hard for me to read your Like this and like that, tz, I am still angry and codependent too I guess. the biggest lie here imo is that any of this matters, of course those who run the world lie, even if not here. I mean defend them if you like ok, not really seeing the point tho wadr

my beliefs on the matter obv will not trump your absolute truths ok, and my faith is in the world passing away, so i'm wadr not inclined to spend 20 minutes digging up proof for you to ignore when it doesn't suit your agenda, ok. Like yesterday?

I am two men in a bed, still I guess, so I just take that to heart, and I spent...x days doing my best to prove your current "belief" on the matter to my one self, and then x days proving the other to the other,

but I guess you have to find your Observer first, to do that...the part of you that has no opinions? And I recommend finishing there too, on this matter.

I mean are you going to end up defending those who have faith in other writings? Have you even read their bible, The Prince, yet? Does that mean everyone in Gov is evil? Of course not. But those who seek to lead are nonetheless obviously blind, many, many servants in Gov, but the blind lead the blind right. Let them imo

 

[Soverign Grace]

Voting was something I had done without fail. And, since I see the "cares of this world" infringing on my own focus on The Lord, I have decided to not vote, simply pray for whom ever God puts in that office. The electoral vote is more important than the peoples...many of these people vote in name recognition only, having no idea what their local Reps. have or have not voted on...for or against. I can say most would be surprised to know how their pet politicians vote.
Good points. SG

I don't think our votes even count. Before she died my cousin was involved in voting integrity. She had been on the radio and had some group that tried to ensure that there was no voter fraud as it was apparently rampant. I don't think our votes count in the Presidency and I'm beginning to think that they may not count locally. A man was installed as Congressman in our state who is a pedophile. If you go out and chat with the average Joe you'll learn that people loathe him. So who voted for him? My husband's co-worker said when he went to vote he found that his dead father had "voted" before him. This country is so corrupt now that we are like the Roman empire before it fell. I still vote for whatever good it will do, but I have lost faith in it.

I know what you mean about people voting not even knowing what their local Reps have voted for or against. I was talking to a friend from bible study and she remarked that she had voted for a local Democrat because "her daughter told her he was good." I couldn't believe it. Most Christians know to vote Republican but she was swayed by her daughter. We know that the Democrats have shifted so far left they want Socialism. But as I said - I doubt our votes count.

You have the right idea to pray for whoever is in office. I have really begun to pray for this country just this year. I honestly don't know how God can look on this country and not act. I feel like Habakuk because after reading the news I usually pray and ask God to end it. I can't stand to see an animal or person suffer and what is going on today is just sickening. They're having men in drag reading to children. They're pushing gender fluidity and I just read about a father who lost custody of his child because he refused to go along with the child getting hormone shots. Children should be left alone. Evil people have gotten control of education and there is a deliberate dumbing down. Charlotte Iserbyt wrote a book about it. I didn't read it but you can see the effects of it. If you look into it you'll see how marketers have slipped the demonic into clothing for children, and into cartoons. The whole culture is sick like Sodom and Gomorrah.

At no time in the history of our country do I believe that it's more important to pray. I believe that Christians should think about returning to the old paths and fasting since the culture is sick and we and our families are forced to live in it.

 

[bbyrd009]

Most Christians know to vote Republican

lol.
but imo you are mostly putting out some good stuff recently SG!

They're having men in drag reading to children. They're pushing gender fluidity and I just read about a father who lost custody of his child because he refused to go along with the child getting hormone shots.

see, but "most Christians know to vote Republican" too right. Is there any connection there?

Homos make homos I guess, we get what we give away​

 

[Soverign Grace]

Your source the Centre for Global Research is a Far Left conspiracy site out of Montreal Quebec. It belongs to michel Chossuduvosky who is a prof from u of ottawa . He is the Canadian version of Noam Chomsky. Chossuduvosky is anti-Semitic, he is a Holocaust denier and blames the Jews for 911. He's a left-wing Conspiracy theory author, who is anti-Jew and is pro- Islam and anti-America, & pro-Palestinian. It turns out Chossuduvosky the CT Professor Chossuduvosky who is a prolific CT writer who along with his colleagues spews out all the hate towards the "evil" American government , he has questionable political allies & supports Hamas according to article by Adara Press & B'nai B'rth is not fond of him either. "B'nai Brith Canada files complaint over 'wild theories' that blame Jews for 9/11"

Zionist ADL Attacks Scholar Michel Chossudovsky
Why would any sane, reasonable human being deny the Holocaust? & why would any Christians swallow anything that proceeds from that kind of deceived mind?

Michel Chossudovsky and Imam Rauf, co-supporters of Iran and Hamas. Providing cover and enlisting support for US foreign policy (Part 12)
"Michel Chossudovsky and Imam Rauf, co-supporters of Iran and Hamas. Providing cover and enlisting support for US foreign policy (Part 12)"

U of O professor accused of hosting anti-Semitic website (Page 1 of 2) - Newspapers.com
U of O professor accused of hosting anti-Semitic website (Page 2 of 2) - Newspapers.com

That article was written by Joachim Hagopian, a conservative, a former West Point Graduate and army officer. Many sites "borrow" and reprint articles or pay someone to run their article for exposure. My family owned several online businesses and that's how it works. You can even pay a journalist to "interview" you for advertising. It's all about the $$$. If you google the title of the article you'll find the article on many sites. I think that his article is a work of art and the impeccable truth. I would go a step further however and state that these people are not only psychopaths but demonically inhabited. A prominent NY psychiatrist also believes this and has stated that those with either bipolar or schizopherenia are actually dealing with the demonic. When I was in college I shared some material about it with my psychology professor. It was a good thing she liked me and didn't laugh me to scorn because we all know what it's like talking to unbelievers about the spiritual. The veil is on their minds.

So you don't agree that the world is run by psychopaths? Didn't you see who was pictured - Obama. It was pretty obvious to all what he was. It isn't hard to see psychopathy at work: endless wars of sending young men and women into a human meat grinder; that Trump is continuing by the way. You should look into the real purpose of our endless wars that is likely going to topple us since we're trillions in debt. But that's part of the purpose. And they send home young people with PTSD, TBI, missing limbs, etc. They put them on disability and the taxpayers have to support them until they pass. I know 3 men on disability from being in the endless wars. I read yesterday that they just replace them with immigrants since it has increased 600% under Trump. But when the "North American Union" is formed there won't be Mexico, America, and Canada - it will be one, just as has been planned. Every aspect of your life will then be controlled. They're implementing it as we speak. Ask yourself why the DHS bought 450 million hollow point bullets. Hollow point bullets cause a lot more tissue damage than soft point bullets. Hollow point bullets expand in diameter to up to three times it original size (known as "mushrooming") after hitting a target, which makes a larger wound. Why does the DHS need such destructive bullets? And why have FEMA camps sprung up all across America and if someone tries to see what's going on, they're ordered to leave.

America now has one of the highest prison populations. Lobbyists for the prison industry go to Washington to demand tougher sentences - just so they're prisons are filled and making a tidy profit, courtesy of the American taxpayers. They're all after that Federal money that it is compulsory for us to pay out of our hard-earned labor. They're imprisoning Americans and then hire immigrants from other countries to come to America to be a prison guard over the imprisoned Americans. Who in the Name of God would do that if not a psychopath? And what Congressmen would let them if not a psychopath? They trade lives for money. I just read where a grandmother was arrested and charged while walking in Disneyland, for having CBD oil in her purse that she uses for arthritis pain. Who would do that? You decide.

The average person equates psychopathy with mass murderers like Manson, or Ocala, or many others. But just like there are "functioning alcoholics" there are "functioning psychopaths."

If you read "The top ten list of jobs that attract psychopaths" you'll learn why this country is such a mess.

1. CEO

2. Lawyer

3. Media (Television/Radio)

4. Salesperson

5. Surgeon

6. Journalist

7. Police officer

8. Clergy person

9. Chef

10. Civil servant

The Top 10 Jobs That Attract Psychopaths

For those who haven't read Joachim's article I urge you to. I'll add a few choice quotes:

The current economic, political, military and legal system breeds psychopaths, rewarding psychopathic behavior and punishing those with conscience and integrity. Psychopaths will naturally be drawn to and converge at the apex of the power pyramid as much from their own drive for ambitious power as the hierarchical system that both requires and reinforces those who can comfortably operate without conscience, guilt or any genuine level of empathy toward others.

Psychopaths are in love with power and risk taking, masters of manipulation, self-serving opportunism and self-aggrandizement, and hold doctorates in deceit and deception. Psychopaths are super intelligent charmers who are highly skilled at playing others in order to get what they want. They are keenly perceptive at reading people, understanding their motives and values, brilliant at learning their weaknesses and blind spots, and highly effective at inducing both sympathy and guilt in others.

Psychopaths see others in terms of how they can be conveniently and cunningly used and manipulated to assist them in achieving their selfish goals and ambitions. (Take note of Joachim's choice of words. Why exhibits "cunning" behavior?)

As anyone can readily see from the preceding prototype description of the psychopath, the high powered arena of politics, the dog-eat-dog corporate world and the strong arm tactics of the military domain are all ideal and ripe fields of endeavor for those imbued with psychopathic traits.

"Masters of Manipulation": Psychopaths Rule The World - Global Research

 

[Soverign Grace]

The Conspiracy Fan Club in action!

The uninformed naysayer club in action.

I don't want to devolve into an unchristian war of words. You concern me because you're being hateful and vitriolic. That's not Christ's Spirit - that's the flesh.

Just accept that others see things differently than you do. We all move in different circles, have different levels of education, experience, and knowledge.

Truth is very often stranger than fiction. I'm not saying that my views are sacrosanct. This is what I believe now until I find further credible information to the contrary. I've researched it for a few years and always look to God to show me the truth. Before I researched I looked at the world one way - now I look at it another way. I realize the truth of "The whole world lieth in the lap of the wicked one." There are those at the highest pinnacle of our government who are wholly given over to evil, and who worship the devil. As hard as that is to fathom we see evidences of it everywhere. Maybe you should look into Trump more: Christian preacher: Trump admin’s push to decriminalize homosexuality shows America’s ‘evil influence’

Donald Trump is not a Christian, but he knows what the religious right needs to hear, says historian - Religion News Service

A Christian Case Against Donald Trump

I believe that Trump's handlers have studied psychology - these are all high-level people who are educated at the finest institutions. Like advertisers who use psychology to get us to buy their product, so too psychology is being used on Christians and they're not even aware of it. Remember that: these people have honed their craft. They've even gotten some pastors on board who have sold their soul for a seat at the king's table.

A Christian Case Against Donald Trump

Micah 2:1 - Woe to them that devise iniquity, and work evil upon their beds! when the morning is light, they practise it, because it is in the power of their hand.

Christ gave us warnings in Scripture and I'm seeing the truth of what He meant. Other verses speak of the evil as well. At no other time in my life have my eyes been opened to the cruel evil that surrounds us. I liked it better when I didn't know it, so I also know the truth of: "With much knowledge comes much sorrow."

1 John 5:19 - [And] we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Each day seems to grow darker than the last, and I have been praying often but reading verses such as the following encourages me but these are very dark days. I feel a sadness that our children and grandchildren will never have that innocence of childhood. They won't watch "Leave it to Beaver" or other wholesome shows because Hollywood is taken over by evil. My husband & I like old westerns. It's hard to believe the number of times we hear references to God and Scripture. But that's all by the wayside. America is now a cauldron of filth. I've been in much prayer.

2 Thessalonians 3:2 - And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all [men] have not faith.

 

[Soverign Grace]

lol.
but imo you are mostly putting out some good stuff recently SG!

see, but "most Christians know to vote Republican" too right. Is there any connection there?

Homos make homos I guess, we get what we give away​

Children should be untouchable. It's heartbreaking.

 

[bbyrd009]

do yourself a favor imo, and run away from your enemies, who you call family and friends. You don't actually have to go anywhere, tho I would sure recommend that for a time. You wont run out of towns before the Lord comes I guess

can two walk together, unless they are in agreement?
what answer suggests itself to us, reading this?
then trust that that is wisdom hidden from the wise

6so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
what comes before "so that?" It isn't "learn how to march in columns and rows, in complete agreement on every single thing," I can tell you that!
which is what Babel does and dogs do, right, your dog agrees with you even if you are Hitler I guess, no matter what

kick him for no reason, and see what happens! He is just going to get even more...obsequious, sorry, don't know another word for that, servile, maybe. Dogs mount each other for...things other than sex, see. You love your dog bc he lets you mount him, and then you go and say that "homosexuality" is evil, lol.

didn't our presidents used to absorb their challenger as VP in our completely corrupt, either/or system?
Why did that change? Bc we want to be like dogs, that's why.
thank God for ppl who disagree!

do yourself a favor, today imo, and go make a new friend. Someone you hate, i'm staying with/working for one right now, and he hates me too, i'm pretty sure. We are in complete agreement, and I tell you that this is a valuable friend if you can find him. Make sure he is not a Samaritan first i guess, takes a couple tries maybe. This guy should have...other ppl should be speaking well of him, and you cannot see it?

So iow your friend's friends are often good for this, they like both you and him for the same reasons. On the approach, when they start looking at you funny--not haha funny--be as up front as you can, even, "John likes us both and I mostly respect his opinions, but you drive me nuts and I wanna know why" or something like that

bc if you ever wanna walk on water, you have to ask, Little porous Pebble, that prolly even floats and can be found everywhere in the Negev, and all over the world prolly, saw one in Cali once even. Anyone fam with these rocks? they lie nice and flat, pretty light in weight, easy to break, etc.
Upon this rock i will build my Church I bet

 

[bbyrd009]

Unsure what you mean but most of the Christians I know vote R. Maybe I'm assuming.

ah no, i'm sure they prolly do. Or rather i dont really know, nor pay much attention to what is passing away. The Independents will be here when the dependents have all perished anyway, i guess. Been scattered? Prolly, ya

Every single one in Babylon voted the same way too right

 

[Soverign Grace]

The media of the last few years has peddles to help out another if a fight starts or an argument, but I have warned my wife and children not to ever get involved because you never now who that bugger is. leave it to the police.
So unless you know how to deal with someone who may come at you with a knife, don't get involved, because you will be the one coming out second best or dead. not to mention that the drug'o etc will get off most likely or could not care if he went back into jail anyway as it's just a holiday camp in Australian jails, you get it better off than being in a old age home.

I have come across scammer's that will play you, they will make out that the man is threatening a woman and then they will turn it on you, that you were the one who started it all and then play you for money or you are going to have to defend yourself in court and most likely go to jail, as it's two against ones word.

It's not like it was before the 1990's where the cops will know that the bums are playing you and kick them out of the police station for who they truly are, it's because of Political Correctness that the Law now has to follow a line that has no common sense, it's that pathetic.
So the local cop knows a scumbag who makes a living out of playing games like such, will be tossed out of the station, but due to Political Correctness he can not judge such, he has to play the game, knowing full well what muggins is up too.

Just look at the games that Political Party's get up too. fact is hat there is nothing moral about such people, it's dog eat dog, they are the lowest of the low and it's only going to get worse, as it's out of the hands of the people now as it's the norm.

Hey Reggie - I haven't seen you around.

I don't trust the media and we have to always be careful who we interact with. My husband's friend was driving home from work and saw this man beating on a woman. He's a tough guy and jumped out of his truck and told the guy to leave her alone. Instead of thanking him the woman yelled at him along with the guy who was beating on her. Go figure.

I read that "political correctness" was invented in Nazi Germany. I think it's going to get worse and worse. I read where a man criticized police and they charged him with a crime. There are many good police - we've met some really nice ones - it's the other element that are frightening.

 

[bbyrd009]

tbh I bet its about 50/50, lemme go look, brb

Presidential vote by religious affiliation and race



should we drop out the "religiously unaffiliated" iyo? I am against that, but i'll go with your pov there, I can run the numbers either way
but wadr the most Homo group is immediately apparent I guess

 

[bbyrd009]

and the winner is...Catholics!
lol

 

[tzcho2]

The uninformed naysayer club in action.

I don't want to devolve into an unchristian war of words. You concern me because you're being hateful and vitriolic. That's not Christ's Spirit - that's the flesh.
Just accept that others see things differently than you do. We all move in different circles, have different levels of education, experience, and knowledge.
Truth is very often stranger than fiction.

That is a false accusation on your part and an attempt to slander. I concern you? You simply want to post reams of Conspiracy claims with no opposing opinions to it. Apparently stating the opinion that these CT sites that claim the twin towers was a demolition and all the voice recordings to loved ones were phony is nonsense-- is vitrolic to you and a war of words. Or the showing that some of the people behind these beliefs are very questionable characters who hold antisemitic beliefs & are Holocaust deniers , and Griffin's bogus claims are not based upon facts & that the CT video evidence has been tampered.
I'm not stopping you from believing what you want but you don't want anyone to dare to disagree with you or showing these CT false flag claims are faulty.

 

[Nancy]

curious why you deem them Muslims when the very first page of the Qur'an condemns them for conflating violence with Islam?

Used them as an example only as, they ARE in the forefront of the news, constantly! And I'm only speaking to the militant ones. Most people do not pay attention to workers who are contracted out to do the big jobs. 'Hey, what you doing over there'? Oh, just have to replace this air conditioner for the 3rd floor, or heating unit, or, or, or...