9-11 apparently a false flag - what will the next one be?

[Enoch111]

I think it's a false flag until some point in time that I learn something different. False flags have been employed for years apparently.

The question you have not asked yourself is what would the American government administration of that time have gained by creating a false flag narrative about 9-11 and artificially creating chaos? And the answer is "Absolutely nothing".

On the other hand there can be absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Radical Islam declared holy war (Jihad) on the Great Satan (America) and all the *infidels* of the West about 50 years ago. That war would include an attack on the economic strength of the USA while creating massive disruption and terror on America soil. The majority of those involved with the 9-11 attacks were Saudi Arabian nationals who took advantage of the cluelessness and arrogance of Americans in refusing to take Jihad seriously, even though there were multiple attacks for a long time BEFORE 9-11. These guys were being trained by Americans to fly airplanes instead of being shipped home to ride camels!

The twin towers were an emblem of American strength, and bringing them down was a major victory for Radical Islam. And for America, it was a major disaster, and a total disruption of the way of life of Americans. It's impact is still being felt all around the States.

What we know now is that 9-11 could have been prevented had all the intelligence services as well as the administration seriously addressed what the Islamists were planning for the Western world. But instead of dealing with the issue rationally and sanely, and taking every precaution and making every effort to purge Radical Islamists from the USA, the Bush administration made blunder after blunder in dealing with this threat. Bush even called Islam "a religion of peace" without seriously examining the Koran and the proclamations of hate-filled Islamic clerics.

And that is only because Americans in general, as well as all Westerners, have never accepted the fact of Muslim hatred against them, and the Muslim determination to literally wipe out the corrupt infidels from planet earth, and establish a Muslim Caliphate in expectation of the coming of the Mahdi.

We should not be surprised if calling 9-11 a false flag conspiracy is really a diabolical plot on the part of ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda, and all such groups, Iran, Turkey, etc. to misdirect Americans into blaming their own government so that the heat is off Muslim terrorism and terrorists, and they are free to enter the USA and repeat their performance, topple the statue of Liberty, destroy the White House and Washington, D.C., destroy New York, and show the world that Americans never learn any lessons from history, and are naive, arrogant, and clueless.

The USA sent 67 billions dollars to Pakistan (which hates and subverts America) between 1951 and 2011. Aid to Pakistan by the Numbers

And between 2013 and 2018 (even after Trump took office) here are the statistics for more billions going down the drain to support a regime that supports Islamic terrorism and aided and abetted bin Laden and several other prominent Jihadists.


Infographic: U.S. Aid to Pakistan

No wonder Radical Muslims believe that Americans are stupid.

 

[Soverign Grace]

I have no idea if it happened or not , i keep an open mind on the whole thing. A few years ago I was intrigued by it all , and spent quite a bit of time looking into it - but I tend to try and focus on how I should be responding rather than keep focusing on all the theories- God has all the answers
Rita

I think that's the healthiest attitude.

 

[Butterfly]

I think that's the healthiest attitude.

I do believe it takes time to get the right balance, as I said a few years ago I was engrossed in long debates and discussions about it all- but what I found is that either way it's impossible to prove - you just go round in circles endeavouring to prove anything, and often that leads to frustrations.
The common ground , as Christians, surely has to be an awareness that things are not always as they seem to be and that we are all part of something much bigger being worked out.
Rita

 

[Soverign Grace]

People for the most part, IMHO-see what they WANT to see. Christians are not exempt...

I have seen this too. Shoot the messenger. People cling so tenaciously to what they want to believe that when someone offers them the truth or a different perspective they get angry. Then of course we're told that the wheat grows with the tares and not everyone who says to me "Lord, Lord..." We can't see into another's heart but we can discern by their fruits. Someone I know was seeing a guy who I had an uneasy feeling about so I researched him and found some things and when I tried to share it the person blew up at me. It took a little while longer and they found out for themselves about the person.

Keep in mind also that there are paid "reputation managers" that are hired to oppose the truth. When our neighbor's grandson was shot to death, after a few years you couldn't even find his story online. There is a "memory hole." My neighbor told me that the police refused to release the body to the family. Their lawyer told them it was because they were "doctoring the evidence." If you tampered with evidence you'd go to jail for years. If police do it they're given a pass. If a cop is killed in the line of duty their family is taken care of by the taxpayers. If cops kill a person their family gets nothing.
There are many good police - we have some good ones near us. But there is the other element. America has dangerously shifted to a police state. They are now allowed to perform no-knock raids. I read of innocent people who have been killed because they go to the wrong house - they just handcuffed young children and shot their family dog. I read where they pulled a man over and forced him to undergo several enemas and a colonoscopy because they thought he had drugs. They pulled a woman over and forced her to lay in the street spread eagle in view of everyone and a female cop forcibly yanked a tampon from her. In both cases neither had drugs on them. A woman from our church told us police threatened to plant drugs on her son. Many are sexually assaulting women during traffic stops. You can read it on Taxpayers Foot the Bill for Trooper Seen on Video Sexually Assaulting Innocent Woman

I have respect for police and know that their job is a difficult one. But the job itself attracts psychopaths and the good ones are forced to work with the psychopaths. We should be praying about what is happening now with police becoming militarized.

America is a police state. Some people just don't know it yet.

My friend told me of a friend she knew who was in a new development and had a man break in. She fortunately escaped but said that you would have thought that was newsworthy but it was never in the papers. I think that there is so much deception now that we'd be shocked if we knew even half of it. The developer obviously had connections. I think the government is going to try to take over control of sites such as these eventually to censor people. We're moving closer and closer to a police state that would rival Nazi Germany. There are those who just don't want to see this yet or don't know anyone who has had first-hand experience.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer

Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter. KJV

“Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth, because they don't want their illusions destroyed.” -Friedrich Nietzsche

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; KJV

 

[Soverign Grace]

I agree, sooooo much deception in politics.

Did your college report on Kitty Genovese include the debunked story that the New York Times ran?

https://nypost.com/2014/02/16/book-reveals-real-story-behind-the-kitty-genovese-murder/

I am well aware of the alleged "debunking" of the Kitty Genovese story; which not all people believe. I found it during research. But whether it is true or not, it's well-known that there is a psychological phenomenon of "bystander apathy" or "the Kitty Genovese Syndrome."

The "Genovese Syndrome"

 

[Soverign Grace]

The question you have not asked yourself is what would the American government administration of that time have gained by creating a false flag narrative about 9-11 and artificially creating chaos? And the answer is "Absolutely nothing".

On the other hand there can be absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Radical Islam declared holy war (Jihad) on the Great Satan (America) and all the *infidels* of the West about 50 years ago. That war would include an attack on the economic strength of the USA while creating massive disruption and terror on America soil. The majority of those involved with the 9-11 attacks were Saudi Arabian nationals who took advantage of the cluelessness and arrogance of Americans in refusing to take Jihad seriously, even though there were multiple attacks for a long time BEFORE 9-11. These guys were being trained by Americans to fly airplanes instead of being shipped home to ride camels!

The twin towers were an emblem of American strength, and bringing them down was a major victory for Radical Islam. And for America, it was a major disaster, and a total disruption of the way of life of Americans. It's impact is still being felt all around the States.

What we know now is that 9-11 could have been prevented had all the intelligence services as well as the administration seriously addressed what the Islamists were planning for the Western world. But instead of dealing with the issue rationally and sanely, and taking every precaution and making every effort to purge Radical Islamists from the USA, the Bush administration made blunder after blunder in dealing with this threat. Bush even called Islam "a religion of peace" without seriously examining the Koran and the proclamations of hate-filled Islamic clerics.

And that is only because Americans in general, as well as all Westerners, have never accepted the fact of Muslim hatred against them, and the Muslim determination to literally wipe out the corrupt infidels from planet earth, and establish a Muslim Caliphate in expectation of the coming of the Mahdi.

We should not be surprised if calling 9-11 a false flag conspiracy is really a diabolical plot on the part of ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda, and all such groups, Iran, Turkey, etc. to misdirect Americans into blaming their own government so that the heat is off Muslim terrorism and terrorists, and they are free to enter the USA and repeat their performance, topple the statue of Liberty, destroy the White House and Washington, D.C., destroy New York, and show the world that Americans never learn any lessons from history, and are naive, arrogant, and clueless.

The USA sent 67 billions dollars to Pakistan (which hates and subverts America) between 1951 and 2011. Aid to Pakistan by the Numbers

And between 2013 and 2018 (even after Trump took office) here are the statistics for more billions going down the drain to support a regime that supports Islamic terrorism and aided and abetted bin Laden and several other prominent Jihadists.

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Infographic: U.S. Aid to Pakistan

No wonder Radical Muslims believe that Americans are stupid.

No - I already covered that if you'd care to go back and read through the posts. What our government achieved was a suspension of our Constitution that Americans otherwise would never have agreed to. We are now, for all intents and purposes in a police state. It's almost comical when I hear Americans proudly but foolishly claim we're still free.

Millions of dollars of United and American Airlines “put-option” stocks were traded in the week leading up to the attack. Have you asked yourself why? Here is one article:

"But the truth behind the events of that day still remain shrouded by government cover-ups and harsh ridicule of those who dare to question that narrative. All the elements of the events that have transpired since that day are the classic building blocks of a false flag operation. And a majority of Americans believe the government is concealing information about 9/11, while 15 percent believe the towers were brought down in a controlled demolition." New Evidence May Support 9/11 Controlled Demolition Conspiracy

From Veterans Today:

"Mark Dankof is the former 36th District Chairman of the Republican Party in King County/Seattle. He was an elected delegate to Texas State Republican Conventions in 1994 and 1996 and entered the United States Senate race in Delaware in 2000 as the nominated candidate of the Constitution Party against Democratic candidate Thomas Carper and Republican incumbent William Roth.

JEA: What’s your view on the American Empire and political Zionism, which essentially has its headquarters in Israel?

MD: The American Empire and its linkage to the Zionist State of Israel is intrinsically evil.[1]These entities are at the center of the drive to the New World Order, which in turn encompasses the ideology of world government; central banking; a controlled news media; the Culturally Marxist ideologies of radical feminism, abortion-on-demand, the LGBTQ agenda, societal acceptance of pornography, and an inherent opposition to the moral order.[2]

These entities seek to enslave the entire globe with this Satanic ideology, utilizing internal subversion, wartime economic sanctions, a global surveillance police state,[3] and overt threats of military force against nation-states who do not acquiesce to the New World Order.[4]

The American Empire and the Zionist State of Israel – Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services
~~~

And this: 9/11 False Flag Operation: HUGE Tipping Point As State-Sponsored Terrorism Is Exposed – The Millennium Report

Personally I think they're using Islam in some way. I'm unsure yet why. They learned how to bring a country down using immigration. Of course they would think Americans are stupid since they're now coming in through our southern border. Ask yourself why they're still importing Muslims in the UK in spite of them raping their citizens. Ask yourself why they're importing them into Germany and have even opened animal brothels for them. They raped a young girl in one of our northern states. I don't have the answers yet for why they're importing Muslims whose Qua'ran says to kill infidels. I'll give you a clue to what our own "government" is doing:

In our state Muslims purchased a piece of ground in a neighborhood. Neighbors learned of it and opposed it. Our Justice Department sent each of the neighbors "warning letters" and demanded to know all of their social media accounts, and email addresses. Now why would the Justice department do this?

 

[Soverign Grace]

Ask yourself why illegal crossing have continued and even shot up 600 % under TRUMP and in spite of illegal aliens killing Kate Steinle, and others. I shared how I couldn't be seen in the ER because they were packed in there getting free health care. It's coming to your state next. Come out of the delusion that Trump is your hero. He's not. He's making America into the North America Union in accordance with the New World Order. Here is an article by Pastor Chuck Baldwin:

TRUMP LIED!
By Chuck Baldwin
May 16, 2019

It is undoubtedly true that the vast majority of politicians are liars. Some, however, are more prolific liars than others. And any honest, objective, even semi-intelligent person knows that Donald Trump takes the blue ribbon in the lying game. He lies so much, he can’t even play a game of golf without cheating.

In a column dated August 10, 2017, I wrote a piece entitled The Truth About Donald Trump. In the column I documented the truth about Trump’s lifetime conduct. In short:

*Donald Trump spent his entire adult life scamming people out of billions of dollars.

Trump’s seven bankruptcies (which he brags about) cost investors, employees and consumers multiplied billions of dollars. Doug Heller, the executive director of Consumer Watchdog, said Trump is the "most egregious, almost comical example" of the disparity between what the average American faces when going through bankruptcy and the "ease with which the very rich can move in and out of bankruptcy."

 

[Soverign Grace]

*Donald Trump spent his entire adult life as a perverse philanderer and miserable misogynist.

I documented what I could on this subject in the column referenced above. The full account of Trump’s lifelong moral debauchery could not even be reported in polite company. In short, Trump is a sick moral reprobate of the lowest order.

*Donald Trump spent his entire business life consorting with international crime syndicates and the Jewish mafia.

In my column, I documented Trump’s crooked, illegal, unethical and immoral penchant for deal-making with some of the most unscrupulous, dishonest and evil mafia figures in the world (I even named a few of them). Donald Trump wouldn’t know what honesty and truth were if they came up and bit him on his dumpy derriere. (Read my column referenced above for documentation and details.)

Remember, the focus of that 2017 column was on Donald Trump’s conduct over his entire lifespan right up to and including when he became President. But what about Trump’s track record since becoming President? With his first administration more than half finished, we now have that track record. Surprise! Surprise! Trump is the same kind of miserable, lying, pretending, duplicitous scoundrel he was before being elected.

Here are a few examples of President Trump’s many lies. (“Thank you” to one of my faithful readers, JT, for helping me with this creepy compilation of Trump’s deceit and deception.)

1. Trump promised to put Hillary Clinton in jail.

On the campaign trail, Trump talked about putting Hillary in jail in just about every city in which he held a rally. But after becoming President, Trump has gushed all over Bill and Hillary, calling them “good friends” and saying they are “good people.” Of course, what he’s said since becoming President IS true. He and the Clintons are good friends. They have been good friends for almost a lifetime. The “good people” part, of course, is just another lousy lie.

TRUMP LIED!

2. Trump promised to drain the swamp in Washington, D.C.

But after becoming President, Donald Trump’s administration is almost a carbon copy of G.W. Bush’s globalist insiders. Trump’s appointment of CFR and Bilderberg swamp creatures matches those of Bush or Obama. If he gets a second term, his appointment of globalists will surpass his predecessors. And his appointment of Zionists already exceeds those of Bush or Obama.

TRUMP LIED!

3. Trump promised to reduce deficit spending.

What a crock of bull manure that promise was! Trump and his fellow Republicans have exploded federal spending and federal deficits to records never seen before. Plus, Trump has superintended over another serious stock bubble that most economists predict is nearing another crash.

TRUMP LIED!

4. Trump said that government vaccinations of small children should “stop now,” rightly linking vaccinations to certain diseases such as autism (and even death).

Now, Trump tells parents that their children “have to get shots.” He repeated: “They have to get their shots.”

TRUMP LIED!

5. Donald Trump promised to get America out of these infernal, incessant foreign wars.

Talk about a whopper of a lie! Trump never intended to stop America’s foreign wars.

As I have noted several times in this column:

Trump has dropped more bombs and missiles on Middle Eastern countries in a comparable period of time than any modern U.S. President. Presidents Bush, Obama and now [2017] Trump have dropped nearly 200,000 bombs and missiles on Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. Trump’s rate of bombing eclipses both Bush and Obama; and Trump is on a pace to drop over 100,000 000 to be precise bombs and missiles on Middle Eastern countries during his first term of office—which would equal the number of bombs and missiles dropped by Obama during his entire eight-year presidency.

Here’s more perspective:

The United States Government, under the Trump administration, reportedly drops a bomb every 12 minutes, which means that 121 bombs are dropped in a day, and 44,096 bombs per year. The Pentagon’s data show that during George W. Bush’s eight years he averaged 24 bombs dropped per day, that is, 8,750 per year. Over the course of Obama’s time in office, his military dropped 34 bombs per day, 12,500 per year. This shows that even though American presidents are all war criminals, Trump is the most vicious of them all.

As I said:

Trump is dropping almost FOUR TIMES MORE BOMBS than Barack Obama and over FIVE TIMES MORE BOMBS than G.W. Bush—which included military invasions of two countries.

We also know that Trump expanded America’s wars in Afghanistan and Syria (and, no, he is NOT bringing U.S. troops home from Syria) and is ramping up America’s war machine against Venezuela, Somalia, China and Russia. And this does not even take into account the way Trump has given Benjamin Netanyahu’s raunchy racist regime the green light to expand its wars against the Palestinians, Lebanon, Syria and Iran or the U.S./Israeli proxy war (with Saudi Arabia taking the lead) in Yemen.

Now, Donald Trump is escalating a U.S. war in Iran.

 

[Soverign Grace]

On Tuesday the US military announced that B-52 Stratofortress strategic bombers will be deployed to the Middle East in response to what US Acting Secretary of Defence Patrick Shanahan dubbed "indications of a credible threat by Iranian regime forces." (Source)

“Credible threat” to whom? Does anyone actually believe that Iran poses a “credible threat” to the United States? What a farce! The truth is, Israel has been itching for a war with Iran for almost forever. But typical of the bullying apartheid Zionist State, Israel knows it cannot take on Iran unless the U.S. brings in military assistance. Hence, the Zionist toady Donald Trump is ratcheting up a U.S. war with Iran. Yep! This is just another war for Israel, folks.

Vice President Mike Pence wasn’t kidding when he told attendees at the recent AIPAC convention: “Her [Israel’s] fight is OUR fight.” Really, Mike? Tell me, when did the American people get to vote on THAT? And please tell me, Mike, where did you find THAT in the Constitution that you took an oath to preserve, protect and defend?

National Security Advisor John Bolton (CFR) and Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan (CFR) reportedly now have a plan in place to send120,000 U.S. ground forces to Iran’s doorstep. Donald Trump is inching toward military confrontation with Iran.

Ladies and gentlemen, under Donald Trump, America’s wars are literally “off the charts.”

TRUMP LIED!

6. Donald Trump emphatically promised to build a wall on the U.S./Mexican border, which Mexico would pay for.

This is one promise I am glad he hasn’t kept. I AM ALL FOR STOPPING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. But I do NOT like border walls. I agree with Ron Paul: The same walls that ostensibly are used to keep people out can also be used to keep people IN. Plus, unless the United States is prepared to put military snipers and machine gunners on and around the walls (like Israel does), they do not work.

But Trump’s lie is not simply about the wall; it is about the entire phony façade that he truly wants to stop illegal immigration. It’s all a BIG, FAT LIE, folks.

Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC) recently reported the stark truth about Donald Trump’s record on illegal immigration. And like most of the things, the truth is exactly opposite Trump’s rhetoric. ALIPAC produced a factual record of Trump’s immigration policies.

ALIPAC documents how Trump hasn’t reduced legal immigration levels like he said he would; instead he has raised them. That Trump promised to stop illegal caravans, but instead he has allowed them to enter the U.S.—and has even supplied transportation for many of these illegals, at taxpayer expense, of course. That Trump promised to end Obama’s DACA amnesty, but he has NOT ended DACA. That he promised to oppose amnesty for illegals, but he and son-in-law Jared Kushner have cut a deal with Democrats to actually INCREASE the number of illegals receiving amnesty. That he promised to end birthright citizenship, but hasn’t done it. That he promised to end sanctuary cities, but hasn’t done it. That Trump promised to end the catch-and-release of illegals. But not only has he not ended the practice, he has INCREASED the practice.

ALIPAC President William Gheen notes:

Trump's border wall promise remains 90% broken because a wall will not work as long as Border Patrol catches and releases illegals and escorts them into the USA.

Gheen goes on to say:

As you can see from these ten painful facts above [read his article], President Donald J. Trump is conducting the largest fraud ever committed upon the American public.

We thought we were electing another President Dwight D. Eisenhower, but we got another GW Bush because Trump's immigration policies and legislative agenda are very similar to the Bush administration.

We need all Americans to come to terms with these betrayals and begin to organize rapidly to defend against these policies and the new legislative Amnesty push coming from the White House.

With lifelong Democrats like Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump running the show in the White House and espousing plans to run for President as Democrats one day it makes many of us wonder... Was Trump ever really a Republican at all or merely an actor playing the role of a Judas Goat leading conservatives to our doom?

If you listen to Trump carefully or read his numerous Tweets, you will see Trump blaming Mexico, Democrats, judges, anyone and everyone but himself for these outrages at our border. Trump wants us to believe it is everyone else's fault and responsibility but his own, when in truth the illegal immigration buck stops with Trump!

TRUMP LIED!

7. Trump said he would release documents investigating 9/11.

Of course, that was another one of Trump’s monster fibs. He knows 9/11 was not carried out by 19 Muslim hijackers. He knows that his Jewish Mafia buddies were neck-deep in the 9/11 conspiracy. Trump never intended to investigate 9/11. It was all a ruse to fool conservatives and get elected.

TRUMP LIED!

8. Donald Trump said he “loved” government whistleblower Julian Assange and called WikiLeaks “amazing.”

Now that Assange has been arrested by British authorities after Ecuador stripped him of his political asylum and his citizenship was suspended, Trump declared, “I know nothing about WikiLeaks. It’s not my thing.” And you watch: Trump is going to sit back and let the U.S. government and its allies in Europe torture and murder Assange for having the guts to blow the whistle on the U.S. government’s illegal spying on the American people.

TRUMP LIED!

Speaking of which…when it came to illegal government spying on the American people, Trump actually DID keep his word. But it’s not a good thing. He told us during his presidential campaign in 2016 that he fully intended to maintain—and even expand—the federal government’s illegal spying on U.S. citizens. And he has definitely kept that promise.

Under Donald Trump, America’s burgeoning Police State is growing faster than ever. Under Trump, the IRS is not only a tax-gathering agency; it is a spy agency. I could spend almost forever on this point.

9. Trump promised the American people that he would be the greatest Pro-Second Amendment President the country has ever seen.

Since becoming President, however, Donald Trump has foisted more gun-control laws on the American people than Barack Obama.

Trump signed the worthless “bump-stock” ban into law. Trump repeatedly says that he is open to siding with Democrats in supporting additional gun control legislation. Plus, Trump is enthusiastically championing (along with Republicans Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham) one of the most—if not THE MOST—dangerous, draconian and downright Stalinesque gun-control laws to ever be proposed in the United States: “red flag” gun confiscation laws.

Since Trump’s emphatic call for law enforcement to “take the guns first and go through due process second,” 15 states and the District of Columbia have passed these communist “red flag” laws, and THOUSANDS of innocent Americans, who did not commit a crime, did not threaten to commit a crime, were not accused of committing a crime—and without a hearing, without a trial and without any constitutional due process—have ALREADY had their guns CONFISCATED by police. And who is the chief promoter of these unconstitutional gun confiscations? President Donald Trump.

TRUMP LIED!

 

[Soverign Grace]

10. Trump promised to make America great.

But since taking office, Donald Trump has done everything he can, not to make America great, but to make Israel great.

After Trump was elected, I predicted:

2017 will see a tsunami of Zionistic thought and theology immersing the church. Ultra-Zionists in Congress such as John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Ted Cruz are preparing to launch a fresh Israel-First political campaign like this country has never seen. And I predict that Donald Trump will likewise launch his own Israel-First campaign from the White House. (Source)

They did, and he did.

TRUMP LIED!

Then again, should we expect anything different? Secretary of State and former CIA Director Mike Pompeo admitted (gleefully) that “we [he and President Trump by the inferred chain of command] lie, cheat and steal.” He went on to say, “We [have] entire training courses cheat and steal.” Of course, Pompeo claims to be an ardent Christian. BARF!

From what I can tell, an Internet blogger by the name of Fred Reed is a sarcastic skeptic when it comes to religion. And I certainly do NOT share many of his sentiments and statements (and I wouldn’t use his language). However, he wrote a blog entitled Christians Who Hate, specifically pointing to Mike Pence and Mike Pompeo. And I have to tell you, the bulk of what he said in this blog is spot-on. And, truth be told, if I wasn’t already a devoted disciple of Jesus Christ—and I had to judge Christ and Christianity by the likes of Mike Pompeo, Mike Pence, GW Bush, Robert Jeffress, John Hagee and Jerry Falwell Jr.—I would probably be a sarcastic skeptic too.

The point of all of this is: Donald Trump is a pathological liar, and anyone who still believes a word he says is gullible beyond belief. The greater problem is, this man’s deceit and duplicity has the potential to plunge America into World War III and the mother of all depressions—not to mention a Police State to rival Mao’s China.

I’m not faulting anyone who voted for Donald Trump. You couldn’t stomach Hillary Clinton (neither can I). He told you what you wanted to hear. And you believed him. What else could you do? But there is absolutely no excuse—NONE—for continuing to believe this total phony after over two years of his myriad and continual lies and deceptions.

Sooner or later, conservatives and Christians are going to wake up to the fact that Donald Trump is the consummate corrupt CON MAN. My fear is that they will not wake up in time for America to be spared from what this fraud is about to rain down upon the world.

© Chuck Baldwin

 

[Soverign Grace]

Enoch and the others: I did not reach these conclusions easily and why in God's Name would I open myself up to attacks if I didn't feel that my work was done carefully and with prayer and discernment? It's so much easier to go with the flow. But God has not called us to that. We're called to be a separate people and to study like the Bereans. We're called to the truth. Too many Christians are looking the other way and making excuses for Donald Trump when the truth is staring them in the face. It's as old as time when the evil one whispered "Yea hath God said..." We're being lied to in subtle and not so subtle ways.

I was very gung-ho Trump and was even asked to work for his campaign. Until I noticed that ALL HE DID WAS TALK. Scripture tells us "BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM NOT BY THEIR TALK." Are we all so deluded that we listen to what the man SAYS AND NOT WHAT HE DOES?

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels

THEN I WILL SAY TO YOU THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH. YOU ARE IN EFFECT SAYING: "SPEAK TO US OF SMOOTH THINGS..."

Isaiah 30:10

“Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:”

 

[tzcho2]

LOL! So now this is a Trump bashing thread! who would have guessed?

 

[Soverign Grace]

Nope, no stalemate. The 9/11 conspiracy theories have all been credibly debunked by professionals in their respective fields (pilots, explosive experts, structural engineers etc.) academia, physical evidence, multiple witnesses, photographic evidence, video evidence etc.

That's not a stalemate......that's one person falling for complete and provable and proven lies and then claim the lies are evidence.

Mary

Purdue creates scientifically based animation of 9/11 attack

Mary - it is up to you to do your own research. You have to research to understand that anyone who attempts to tell the truth, the powers that be discredit them or kill them. You really don't know the dark history of our country and I suggest that you begin looking into it. You have obviously never dealt with highly intelligent, highly manipulative people or you would know something of how they work and the tactics they employ. They play the uneducated or under-educated people like a fiddle and they know what works. Average Americans travel in different circles and never rub elbows with these types of people. Have you ever held a high level job? How many years of formal education have you completed? These people operate on another entire level and I don't surmise that you've had any experience with them.

God allowed me to go through some very bad times. I was forced to deal with some of the most manipulative people I ever encountered. They don't think normally: everything is done with an end goal in mind of burying you and gaining an advantage for themselves. They're ruthless and relentless and use other people like tools and turn them against you and are often conscienceless. The end justifies the means in their sick mind. They're superficially sweet so that if you speak the truth about them others won't believe you. They exhibit the traits of Satan: cunning, liars, manipulators.
Once you deal with people like that it's an experience you won't forget.

It's known that people often project their own values onto others. They don't cheat, lie, or kills so they have a hard time believing that others will. But this sometimes hampers them from seeing the truth. There is a name for a phenomenon of those who don't want to see the truth: DENIAL. Have you ever attempted to share a truth with someone that was obvious to everyone but them? They aren't ready yet to process the truth so they live in denial. People use what is called availability heuristic which often leads to wrong conclusions about the truth. They use emotional reasoning and confirmation bias. Man has a way of hiding from, dismissing, or reasoning away truth.

What kind of people do you really think performed evil experiments on American citizens? Stupid people or cunning people, who possessed a high intelligence? Read up on the black history of our own government:

The 13 most evil U.S. government experiments on humans

There is a deliberate dumbing down of America: HOME

What is a psychopath?
According to CNBC, “Psychopathy is an inherited mental disorder, an illness that is the result of a deformity in the brain. Those who are born with psychopathy can be dangerous. They are also often very successful in ascending to positions of power. Usually, psychopaths are cunning and charming, have an over-sized sense of self-worth, and are pathological liars. They show an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their actions, as well as callousness and lack of empathy.”

Psychopaths are very skilled at manipulation: https://www.thejobnetwork.com/why-psychopaths-really-good-getting-ahead/

Scripture warns us that Satan operates in deception and to not be fooled by his devices. There are those who have studied his snares a lot better than me, but if you really take the time to look into these things then your eyes will be opened to the widespread deceit that has been thrown over the country like a blanket.

 

[Soverign Grace]

LOL! So now this is a Trump bashing thread! who would have guessed?

No, only a truth seeker.

Why are you being so insistent on this? What's your angle?

 

[Marymog]

I am well aware of the alleged "debunking" of the Kitty Genovese story; which not all people believe. I found it during research. But whether it is true or not, it's well-known that there is a psychological phenomenon of "bystander apathy" or "the Kitty Genovese Syndrome."

The "Genovese Syndrome"

There is no "alleged debunking" IT WAS DEBUNKED....there were not 38 witnesses. The brother of Kitty Genovese (Bill) debunked it. Furthermore, I didn't ask you if you were aware of it.

Furthermore, I didn't deny that there is a psychological phenomenon of "bystander apathy".

I simply asked:

Did your college report on Kitty Genovese include the debunked story that the New York Times ran?

 

[Marymog]

Mary - it is up to you to do your own research. You have to research to understand that anyone who attempts to tell the truth, the powers that be discredit them or kill them. You really don't know the dark history of our country and I suggest that you begin looking into it. You have obviously never dealt with highly intelligent, highly manipulative people or you would know something of how they work and the tactics they employ. They play the uneducated or under-educated people like a fiddle and they know what works. Average Americans travel in different circles and never rub elbows with these types of people. Have you ever held a high level job? How many years of formal education have you completed? These people operate on another entire level and I don't surmise that you've had any experience with them.

God allowed me to go through some very bad times. I was forced to deal with some of the most manipulative people I ever encountered. They don't think normally: everything is done with an end goal in mind of burying you and gaining an advantage for themselves. They're ruthless and relentless and use other people like tools and turn them against you and are often conscienceless. The end justifies the means in their sick mind. They're superficially sweet so that if you speak the truth about them others won't believe you. They exhibit the traits of Satan: cunning, liars, manipulators.
Once you deal with people like that it's an experience you won't forget.

It's known that people often project their own values onto others. They don't cheat, lie, or kills so they have a hard time believing that others will. But this sometimes hampers them from seeing the truth. There is a name for a phenomenon of those who don't want to see the truth: DENIAL. Have you ever attempted to share a truth with someone that was obvious to everyone but them? They aren't ready yet to process the truth so they live in denial. People use what is called availability heuristic which often leads to wrong conclusions about the truth. They use emotional reasoning and confirmation bias. Man has a way of hiding from, dismissing, or reasoning away truth.

What kind of people do you really think performed evil experiments on American citizens? Stupid people or cunning people, who possessed a high intelligence? Read up on the black history of our own government:

The 13 most evil U.S. government experiments on humans

There is a deliberate dumbing down of America: HOME

What is a psychopath?
According to CNBC, “Psychopathy is an inherited mental disorder, an illness that is the result of a deformity in the brain. Those who are born with psychopathy can be dangerous. They are also often very successful in ascending to positions of power. Usually, psychopaths are cunning and charming, have an over-sized sense of self-worth, and are pathological liars. They show an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their actions, as well as callousness and lack of empathy.”

Psychopaths are very skilled at manipulation: Why psychopaths are really good at getting ahead

Scripture warns us that Satan operates in deception and to not be fooled by his devices. There are those who have studied his snares a lot better than me, but if you really take the time to look into these things then your eyes will be opened to the widespread deceit that has been thrown over the country like a blanket.

Ok.....Everything you just said here changes NOTHING about 9/11 conspiracy theories (lies).

 

[tzcho2]

No, only a truth seeker.

Why are you being so insistent on this? What's your angle?

No you just think you are a "truth seeker" . Why do I disagree? You've posted the wild conspiracy lies about 9/11 as if they are the truth. But you actually flip truth on it's head and because you don't just post your beliefs or opinions or comments about it, you are actively trying hard to convince people of your views and that is very different. In truth you are peddling deception imo.

 

[Soverign Grace]

I do believe it takes time to get the right balance, as I said a few years ago I was engrossed in long debates and discussions about it all- but what I found is that either way it's impossible to prove - you just go round in circles endeavouring to prove anything, and often that leads to frustrations.
The common ground , as Christians, surely has to be an awareness that things are not always as they seem to be and that we are all part of something much bigger being worked out.
Rita

Rita - it takes a long time. I researched this for a few years. I began when I couldn't be seen in the ER so I wondered why all these foreigners were being let into America and the UK, Germany, Ireland etc. It's all the New World Order plan. Trump is continuing it in spite of saying otherwise. "By their fruits ye shall know them, not by their talk..."

If someone had told me this a few years ago I would have dismissed them and gone on with my life. But it didn't work that way. God allowed me to be injured and I spent many long hours recuperating. Throughout that time I researched. So it took a long time.

Keep in mind that our leaders are lying on a massive scale. Ask yourself why America is importing thousands of immigrants. Then ask yourself why the UK, Germany, Ireland, and all the other countries are doing the same thing. You know that there must be a common thread. Then follow those common threads. It's all done under the dictates of the U.N. in preparation for the NWO. On America's printed money it states:
Novus ordo seclorum = New Order of the Ages

They know that they cannot achieve this other than through false flags. I think there have been a number of false flags - after them terrified citizens hand over their guns and their rights. That is the objective: to disarm the citizenry, suspend the Constitution and implement widespread spying (after all - how can anyone begin a Revolution since the government knows their every move, every text, every phone conversation that is stored in a facility in Utah. They use facial recognition and know where you're at, who your contacts are, and can follow you by your cell phone or car's computer. They have small black helicopters that can fly over and pull all your data. They probably know what color underwear each person wears.

They have drones that can look in your windows and shoot you if need be. Since you've entered school there has been massive data collection on you and others. Ask yourself why? Why do we now have a militarized police force who now have all the weapons of war that can be used on American citizens? Why are police recruits taught to see the public as the "enemy." Police being trained to think of AMERICAN PEOPLE AS THE ENEMY...Academy recruits quit and blow the whistle. — Steemit

Why were soldiers asked if they would shoot their fellow American citizens? U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens

There is so much more.

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. - Daniel 12:4

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. - Matthew 24:24

I never want anyone to take my word for it; I always tell them to search for the truth themselves. They should reserve judgment until they have researched thoroughly; with prayer and discernment. They should correlate it to what they know of Scripture. Much like Solomon learned who the real mother of the child was when two women claimed he was theirs; Solomon knew that the real mother was the one who was willing to give the child to the other woman rather than cutting him in two. So too one should judge the fruits of another: How are you going to judge ones fruits: the individual who loudly and longly declares something and who gets at times arrogant or abusive trying to shut someone up, or the person who advises others to search for the truth themselves?

First an individual has to be willing to come out of psychological denial. It's comforting and reassuring to believe that our government is looking out for our best interests. It's quite the opposite when you have to look at the raw and uncomfortable truth.

Denial (And How To Get Out Of Denial)
A coping mechanism is an adaptation we make that enables us to deal with a difficult environmental stress that we feel we cannot change or eliminate. The adaptation we make causes us to feel like we have control over the way we feel and behave. One could argue that provided a person cannot actually change something, some coping mechanisms are beneficial to you and people around you and some coping mechanisms harm you and the people around you.

Denial (And How To Get Out Of Denial)

And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. - Revelations 12:9

And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. - Matthew 24:4

 

[Soverign Grace]

Ok.....Everything you just said here changes NOTHING about 9/11 conspiracy theories (lies).

You didn't answer my questions about your occupation or level of education. There are highly intelligent people who are orchestrating this. They have studied psychology, history, and sociology. I'm not asking you to put you down, but they operate on another level that you may not be able to conceive of. It just proves that the Hegelian Dialectic is working. If you want your delusions you can have them. But if you really want the truth it's there if you look for it. It was for me like it was when I searched for God. No billboard advertised him, not my school, not college, not TV, not the Catholic church. I had to search for Him.

Jeremiah 29:13
“And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.”

1 Corinthians 3:18
Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.

1 Corinthians 2:14
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

Proverbs 14:18
The simple inherit folly, but the prudent are crowned with knowledge.

John 16:13
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth,

Ephesians 6:14
Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth.

I have not abused you nor was harsh to you; but I received no such courtesy because I shared things that you and tzcho aren't ready to hear yet or who have another reason for not wanting the truth told.

Galatians 4:16

“Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?”

 

[Nancy]

Mary - it is up to you to do your own research. You have to research to understand that anyone who attempts to tell the truth, the powers that be discredit them or kill them. You really don't know the dark history of our country and I suggest that you begin looking into it. You have obviously never dealt with highly intelligent, highly manipulative people or you would know something of how they work and the tactics they employ. They play the uneducated or under-educated people like a fiddle and they know what works. Average Americans travel in different circles and never rub elbows with these types of people. Have you ever held a high level job? How many years of formal education have you completed? These people operate on another entire level and I don't surmise that you've had any experience with them.

God allowed me to go through some very bad times. I was forced to deal with some of the most manipulative people I ever encountered. They don't think normally: everything is done with an end goal in mind of burying you and gaining an advantage for themselves. They're ruthless and relentless and use other people like tools and turn them against you and are often conscienceless. The end justifies the means in their sick mind. They're superficially sweet so that if you speak the truth about them others won't believe you. They exhibit the traits of Satan: cunning, liars, manipulators.
Once you deal with people like that it's an experience you won't forget.

It's known that people often project their own values onto others. They don't cheat, lie, or kills so they have a hard time believing that others will. But this sometimes hampers them from seeing the truth. There is a name for a phenomenon of those who don't want to see the truth: DENIAL. Have you ever attempted to share a truth with someone that was obvious to everyone but them? They aren't ready yet to process the truth so they live in denial. People use what is called availability heuristic which often leads to wrong conclusions about the truth. They use emotional reasoning and confirmation bias. Man has a way of hiding from, dismissing, or reasoning away truth.

What kind of people do you really think performed evil experiments on American citizens? Stupid people or cunning people, who possessed a high intelligence? Read up on the black history of our own government:

The 13 most evil U.S. government experiments on humans

There is a deliberate dumbing down of America: HOME

What is a psychopath?
According to CNBC, “Psychopathy is an inherited mental disorder, an illness that is the result of a deformity in the brain. Those who are born with psychopathy can be dangerous. They are also often very successful in ascending to positions of power. Usually, psychopaths are cunning and charming, have an over-sized sense of self-worth, and are pathological liars. They show an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their actions, as well as callousness and lack of empathy.”

Psychopaths are very skilled at manipulation: https://www.thejobnetwork.com/why-psychopaths-really-good-getting-ahead/

Scripture warns us that Satan operates in deception and to not be fooled by his devices. There are those who have studied his snares a lot better than me, but if you really take the time to look into these things then your eyes will be opened to the widespread deceit that has been thrown over the country like a blanket.

“Your obedience is known to all, so that I rejoice over you, but I want you to be wise as to what is good and innocent as to what is evil.”
- Romans 16:19

The powers in control are very wise indeed. Just not about the things that matter and, I have personally known 2 psychopaths, both crazy smart, and in a crafty and cunning way, never good. You describe them to a T. SG. It's like describing Satan himself!