Defending Homosexuality

[Stranger]

I don't control your questions, and as a result, you simply don't control my answers.
Absolutely Yes. My cousin has two awesome boys in college and a great partner. And my sister was married to a guy I suspect was gay, and she is better off without him. I don't want gay men out on the prowl experimenting with being pushed into bad marriages because CHRISTIANS only want heterosexual couples in their neighborhood and churches.

In your little story, the problem is not heterosexual marriages. The problem is the queer period.

Stranger

 

[SkyWriting]

I see you as being partially right. You have braved the slings and arrows of a certain element on this forum...a lynching mentality that shows how little grace is understood by these. You have exposed a judgmental attitude in people that are really saying "I am under the law" and that avoids obvious truth like "judge not lest you be judged". So you have exposed a lack of love in these people. A lack of grace and a hypocrisy since these claim to be under grace while their open hatred shows otherwise.

But have you considered that obeying the government in every case is also taking things too far?

What of..."We should obey God and not men?"

Acts 5:29
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

So there are limits to what the government does in direct approval of God. Otherwise the church follows the world rather than the other way around. The world becomes the light to the church rather than the church being a light to the world.
I agree that we are not to be a light by bringing in laws and judging people by the law.

We are to attract people to be reconciled to God by grace.

We are indeed being tested by God to see who will be hypocritical in judging others...but also who will go too far in condoning immorality as normal.

The way is narrow indeed.

There is another "Way." The way of the love of God that says...let he who is without sin cast the first stone. As Jesus did. The challenge is to be spiritual in Christ and be as Jesus in the world.

The government laws reflect a lack of light in the church. A lack of grace. YES...grace. We claim to be under grace yet show we are not by our actions.

So we are indeed missing the bigger picture. What is needed is repentance by conviction of the Spirit...not law. Like the woman who cried at the feet of Jesus. That was NOT by law.

If we truly had God in our midst then...

1 Cor. 14:25 The secrets of their hearts are brought to light. When that happens, they will fall on their faces and worship God, proclaiming out loud that truly God is among you!

The church needs to learn from scratch what it means to be a light in the world. It has lost it's way.

We need a NEW element. We need to have God among us. We've tried it the carnal way. It doesn't work.

There are only three passages used to defend civil disobedience.
Two involve innocent children being chopped to pieces or being fed to lions.
As a believer, I don't have to follow those paths.

Peter was telling the High Priest and church Sanhedrin council to "Take a Hike."
I approve of Peter and the apostles to tell the church to get lost.

Jesus explains the power structure:

John 19:10-11
So Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?” Jesus answered him,
“You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above.
Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”

"authority over me"
"been given you"
"from above"

Then Jesus went to His death after submitting to local law.
That kind of negates the civil disobedience you are encouraging.

And it certainly overshadows Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego.

 

[SkyWriting]

Correct.
A man can not Embrace, Foster, Perpetuate, Advocate for, Accept and Embrace his Sin, and truthfully claim he is Converted IN Christ.

Sodom was a city that Embraced, Accepted and Perpetuated Sexual Desires and Acts Between men and WHY but a few were TOLD to Leave, and the City and it's men corrupted IN Sin destroyed.

AND....Little buildings, build by men, who embrace, accept and perpetuate Sexual Desires and Acts between men....are likened to the Same as was Sodom.

"OP" ---> Defending Homosexuality?
Pfft! Christ the Lord didn't; nor should a man IN Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

Jesus died for all sinners. He also accepted the company of all sinners.

 

[SkyWriting]

I am well aware, my quote was from Scripture, and Identified, my quote was from scripture.

You introduced ANOTHER QUOTE, of MEN. To which I DO NOT SUPPORT.

So, NOW you have Identified Peter as a Church Leader and say you Agree with Peter's Response.

Peter's Quote Being;

Acts 5:
[29] ...We ought to obey God rather than men.

Do you ALSO SUPPORT what you QUOTED in BOLD, In defense of Marriage BETWEEN SAME SEX Partners, that MEN decided?

Your QUOTE Being;



Glory to God,
Taken

God has put every government in place and everything runs according to God's plans.
That's why men cannot pray and change the outcome of planes falling out of the sky
or the Green Bay Packers in the superbowl. God's plans and execution will never change.
All we can pray is that God's will on earth is observed by people praying.

 

[Stranger]

There are only three passages used to defend civil disobedience.
Two involve innocent children being chopped to pieces or being fed to lions.
As a believer, I don't have to follow those paths.

Peter was telling the High Priest and church Sanhedrin council to "Take a Hike."
I approve of Peter and the apostles to tell the church to get lost.

Jesus explains the power structure:

John 19:10-11
So Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?” Jesus answered him,
“You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above.
Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”

"authority over me"
"been given you"
"from above"

Then Jesus went to His death after submitting to local law.
That kind of negates the civil disobedience you are encouraging.

And it certainly overshadows Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego.

This has already been addressed in posts #(794) and (814). Your constant repetition and ignoring it doesn't change it. See again (Acts 4:17-20).

You continue to twist and misrepresent Scripture.

Stranger

 

[Episkopos]

Jesus died for all sinners. He also accepted the company of all sinners.

Agreed. But the purpose was to save them from their sins...by exposure to real truth and love. Jesus never was a sinner among them. He showed the contrast between them by exposing Himself to them.

If what we have is so wonderful, won't that influence others?

Imagine if a person wanted to spread Ebola in the world. How do you do that? Well. you mingle with people in the hope they will become infected with the disease. The same goes for the love and grace of God. The best way to spread it around is to mingle with sinners.

 

[SkyWriting]

My dad was a preacher at the Brethren Church. We went to Sunday school there..and the youth group. ( back in England)

Church of the Brethren is an even more wacky liberal split from Brethren Church.
I walked out of the church due to wacky liberal policies, but I have forgiven them.
My own stand that the Father wants us to obey Local Law would be too much for
them. They stand for Peace above all else and I forgive them for that decision.

 

[SkyWriting]

Agreed. But the purpose was to save them from their sins...by exposure to real truth and love. Jesus never was a sinner among them. He showed the contrast between them by exposing Himself to them.

If what we have is so wonderful, won't that influence others?

Imagine if a person wanted to spread Ebola in the world. How do you do that? Well. you mingle with people in the hope they will become infected with the disease. The same goes for the love and grace of God. The best way to spread it around is to mingle with sinners.

That's why I oppose the wringing out and cleansing of the heterosexual population, the cleansing of the churches, and the cleansing of america.
As if any of that would actually clean anything. Thanks!

In the ebola story, running from disease only spread it.
The solution was containment. As with Aids, the solution
is reducing exposure, and we should all reduce our sexual exposure.

More than one sex partner in your lifetime is an abomination to God.
I've been married before so myself included.

 

[Taken]

queer
/kwir/
Learn to pronounce
adjective

1. 1.
   strange; odd.
   "she had a queer feeling that they were being watched"
   synonyms: odd, strange, unusual, funny, peculiar, curious, bizarre, weird, outlandish, eccentric, unconventional, unorthodox, uncanny, unexpected, unfamiliar, abnormal, anomalous, atypical, untypical, different, out of the ordinary, out of the way, extraordinary, remarkable, puzzling, mystifying, mysterious, perplexing, baffling, unaccountable, incongruous, uncommon, irregular, outré, offbeat, singular, deviant, aberrant, freak, freakish; More
   
   Many on this thread praising God out of one side of their mouth and cursing their fellow man out of the other side seems queer to me.

QUEER, is Against the grain.

If one is embracing Gods WAY, of what a Marriage is, being between A man and A woman....THEY are peculiar to the man who embraces sexual desires between man and man....
Just as:
A man who embraces sexual desires of a man and a man is peculiar to the man who embraces Gods WAY, of what a Marriage is, being between A man and A woman.

QUEER, is not derogatory, but rather an explicit Difference, BETWEEN men who believe Differently.

Just as A Muslim calls A Born again Christian...AN "Infidel"....(Because A Born Again Christian Does not Believe in Muhammad)....SO ALSO is a Muslim AN "Infidel" ... (Because a Muslim does not Believe in Christ Jesus).

If one calls himself what he claims, and it be true, then should we say otherwise?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[lforrest]

Agreed. But the purpose was to save them from their sins...by exposure to real truth and love. Jesus never was a sinner among them. He showed the contrast between them by exposing Himself to them.

If what we have is so wonderful, won't that influence others?

Imagine if a person wanted to spread Ebola in the world. How do you do that? Well. you mingle with people in the hope they will become infected with the disease. The same goes for the love and grace of God. The best way to spread it around is to mingle with sinners.

That's all well and good for Christians who can handle it. When sin is handled like a pet bird that has a tendency to pluck out eyes, caution is warranted. Do not allow it to fly around and pluck out the eyes of the weak and the dead. Keep it caged behind social stigma.

 

[SkyWriting]

You display the agape as does Skywriting. There’s a lot of strong evidence that scientific research says homosexuality could be biological. Could be homosexuals have no more control over there dis function than a child that is born blind.

Research shows that DNA has a 30% impact on ones sexual orientation. That leaves 70% due to other influences. But that is an average number not a set percentage. Half of those could be 99% dna and the other half 99% nurture influence. And of those who might be 99% influenced during upbringing, how many of them can change their desires once set? And which person is which?

 

[SkyWriting]

That's all well and good for Christians who can handle it. When sin is handled like a pet bird that has a tendency to pluck out eyes, caution is warranted. Do not allow it to fly around and pluck out the eyes of the weak and the dead. Keep it caged behind social stigma.

"Social Stigma" is against the law in many categories and situations. I'm not sure how much you want people to hate Christians and where you would encourage it? Like no Christians allowed in the Black Holocaust museum for example?

As a society, we create laws for those situations. I can tell you from experience over five decades, gays do not recruit. They simply seek out similar interests and are appalled by hostility they endured growing up and seek to make the lives of others, less of a war zone than they experienced.

 

[SkyWriting]

Well, that is precisely what "SkyWriting" did in a post addressed to me. The post of mine that he replied to wasn't even addressed to him--yet he felt entitled to suggest that I had had more than one sexual partner. He doesn't know me at all or any of my biographical information--he just decided to slander me. Then he finished his slander off with saying that I am just as guilty as someone who killed and ate his victims! "SkyWriting" makes vile accusations and yet you side with him?

That was a mistake on my part. We are all as guilty as Jeffery Dahmer.
I didn't mean to single you out as in any way worse than anyone.
And his sins are no worse than any of ours.
James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.
I didn't know Jeff, but we could have been classmates if I lived here back then.

 

[SkyWriting]

Oooh, a bit of REAL butter, a pinch of salt (a must!) and brown sugar oh yuuuuuumeeeee. All that sugar kind of kills it a bit, ha! Butter doesn't help but...everything in moderation

My father had triple bypass surgery and I'm determined to "push a lot of oatmeal through my veins to scour them clean."
Steel cut Oatmeal, omega 3 nut mix from Target, and almond milk about 4 times a week. Batches made every weekend.
Does Eating Oatmeal Lower Cholesterol? - Live Science

 

[SkyWriting]

In Ezekiel 16:48–50, God compares Jerusalem to Sodom, saying "Sodom never did what you and your daughters have done." He explains that the sin of Sodom was that "She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me."

Therefore I removed them when I saw it. 51“Furthermore, Samaria did not commit half of your sins, for you have multiplied your abominations more than they. Thus you have made your sisters appear righteous by all your abominations which you have committed. 52“Also bear your disgrace in that you have made judgment favorable for your sisters. Because of your sins in which you acted more abominably than they, they are more in the right than you. Yes, be also ashamed and bear your disgrace, in that you made your sisters appear righteous.

53“Nevertheless, I will restore their captivity, the captivity of Sodom and her daughters, the captivity of Samaria and her daughters, and along with them your own captivity, 54in order that you may bear your humiliation and feel ashamed for all that you have done when you become a consolation to them. 55“Your sisters, Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters, will return to their former state, and you with your daughters will also return to your former state. 56“As the name of your sister Sodom was not heard from your lips in your day of pride, 57before your wickedness was uncovered, so now you have become the reproach of the daughters of Edom and of all who are around her, of the daughters of the Philistines—those surrounding you who despise you

 

[SkyWriting]

Some people seem to very conveniently forget that.
BY the way...just remember that this Site is bigger than just this one thread

You will come to hate me. My stand that "God supports local government"
requires that I support the laws allowing for abortions (not in every state ) as well.

When I was active in the ProLife movement I saw much of the
same hatred being justified as a "Godly position." Now I no longer
have to justify such behavior as well meaning.

Among fellow Christians, I have very few friends.

 

[Helen]

You will come to hate me. My stand that "God supports local government"
requires that I support the law allowing for abortions as well.

When I was active in the ProLife movement I saw much of the
same hatred being justified as a "Godly position." Now I no longer
have to justify such behavior as well meaning.

Among fellow Christians, I have very few friends.

Okay.

We each have to do and live by whatever we believe God has spoken to us.
We don't have to agree with each other. I have many friend which I do not agree with.

I hate no one. God taught me that.

 

[SkyWriting]

Would someone please tell "SkyWriter" that my last post was not addressed to him and I will not be answering his foul blabbering. He knows that we have discussed the same points of his depraved babel over and over, yet he continues to post the same evil perversions of Scripture.

You are free to not respond. Similarly, I can respond to all your posts.

I post scripture without any commentary on the passages
explaining that God has given local secular government the work
of defining up-to-date morality for the people that doesn't
include any stoning to death or chopping up bodies,
or being fed to lions.

1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3
1 Timothy 2
Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21
John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 29
Proverbs 8:15
Psalms 94:20
Deuteronomy 28
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11
Colossians 1:15-17

 

[SkyWriting]

Agave syrup is good too

I think we have some.. I should try that.

 

[Stranger]

Research shows that DNA has a 30% impact on ones sexual orientation. That leaves 70% due to other influences. But that is an average number not a set percentage. Half of those could be 99% dna and the other half 99% nurture influence. And of those who might be 99% influenced during upbringing, how many of them can change their desires once set? And which person is which?

Three kinds of lies. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. You are guilty of all three.

Stranger