Who cares. Homosexuality is an abomination to God. Plus your description of them being perfect citizens is a lie also. Their 'similar interests' are an abomination as well.
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Who cares. Homosexuality is an abomination to God. Plus your description of them being perfect citizens is a lie also. Their 'similar interests' are an abomination as well.
Stranger
Again, though all are lawbreakers doesn't mean all are queers. You attempt to twist the Word of God to make it appear He accepts homosexuality. He does not. And all your lying will not change it.
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I have no problem hating you already.
Your stand, that because God instituted government than queers are accepted by God, is perverted. See again (Acts 4:17-19).
If you want to be a queer, go ahead. If you want to support abortion go ahead. But you should quit lying about being born-again. You should quit lying about God accepts homosexuality.
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SkyWriting
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We don't have to agree with each other. I have many friend which I do not agree with.
I hate no one. God taught me that.
MOST people have not received that message.
If you don't agree with them
then you are Satan incarnate
and spitting on their angel wings.
Up to date morality is immorality. Thus when you have anti-christian people in office passing laws, these laws become anti-christian and against God's laws.
None of the Scriptures you list prove homosexuality is accepted by God. They prove your attempt to manipulate and twist Scripture. They prove you are a liar.
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Well one thing this thread has exposed, is those who are able to allow another to follow what they believe God has told them ( even why not agreeing) and those who believe that everyone must follow what and how 'they' believe...because after all, how 'they' read the bible is 100% correct and anyone who doesn't believe 'like them' is wrong.
Yet they fall flat on their face because of attitude.
It seem when "What I believe" is challenged ,the Two golden Commands Jesus left us goes out of the window.
We will never all agree , that is obvious...but there is still no place for hostility.
The one thing I do know, there are predators , sexual perverts , and sexual cruelty on both sides of the fence, straight and gay.
The bottom line is...everything that we think, do , and say in this life is a test of our heart...God is a heart guy , as He showed us with king David.
Our heart is what will cause the balance to swing one way or the other when God "weighs us in the balance" on the Final Day.
The test is on us..lets not forget that.
Yet they fall flat on their face because of attitude.
It seem when "What I believe" is challenged ,the Two golden Commands Jesus left us goes out of the window.
We will never all agree , that is obvious...but there is still no place for hostility.
The one thing I do know, there are predators , sexual perverts , and sexual cruelty on both sides of the fence, straight and gay.
The bottom line is...everything that we think, do , and say in this life is a test of our heart...God is a heart guy , as He showed us with king David.
Our heart is what will cause the balance to swing one way or the other when God "weighs us in the balance" on the Final Day.
The test is on us..lets not forget that.
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Your middle of the road approach to this subject is noxious.
Just because there are sexual perverts who are not homosexuals does not mean we are to accept homosexuality as from God. We are not to twist Scripture so as to make it appear that God accepts homosexuality. And those that do are just as perverted as the homosexuals themselves.
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I know, and it's sad, it shows that in reality they never caught a glimpse of the Father heart of God. Therefore, the acid test is always our heart.
Jesus heart to both please God and to save mankind cost Him everything.
The test is on us. I used to be a legalistic finger pointer until I saw that three fingers pointed back at me.
I take seriously the words - Matt 7-2
" For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. "
And also Romans . " And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. "
I try to 'live there', but sometimes I slip from it.
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I wasn't "twisting scripture" at all, and you know it.
LOVE is and always will be the measure God uses...because of His great love given to us all.
Stranger you are militant in most thing you say...you come across as harsh and hard. Our calling is to be redeemers ... God showed Himself as harsh and hard to most in the OT..Moses, Abraham, David saw past the demanded purity of God's standard ..they saw through faith into the NT, they 'knew God.'
In the NT God gave every drop of love , and demands the same from us.
We stand in jeopardy if we disregard the two commands Jesus gave, and prefer only what God revealed of Himself in the OT.
Not many seem to heed the two but choose "The Ten" ...which are actually wrapped up within The Two....but that doesn't suit them much.
Skywriting has been twisting Scripture and lying since he got here. This is who I was addressing. There is no middle of the road approach to what he is saying. That is what I was saying to you.
God does not condone homosexuality. God did not create any laws to allow for homosexual behaviour. It is an abomination and will always be an abomination.
God's attitude towards homosexuality is not found in the 10 or the 2. But it is found in both Old and New Testaments.
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So, to be clear, your answer is Yes you absolutely Do Support Marriages between two men or two women.
Okie dokie. Now your position is clear.
And thus you and I disagree.
And BTW the Supreme Court did not Legalize Marriage between two men or two women...
The USSC ruled that each of the 50 States could not individually enact Laws Banning a marriage between a man and a man or a woman and a woman.
Which is not the same thing as Requiring Each State To issue licenses for the purpose of marriage between two men or two women.
Glory to God,
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SkyWriting
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To be clear, the forum features quoted me correctly, you did not.
Absolutely Yes. My cousin has two awesome boys in college and a great partner. And my sister was married to a guy I suspect was gay, and she is better off without him. I don't want gay men out on the prowl experimenting with being pushed into bad marriages because CHRISTIANS only want heterosexual couples in their neighborhood and churches.
Gay Marriage Is Legal in All 50 States: Supreme Court - Newsweek
The Supreme Court on Friday legalized same-sex marriage in the United States.
In the 5-4 landmark decision, the majority of justices ruled that states must license same-sex marriages and also recognize gay marriages performed legally in other states.
"No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice and family," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the majority. "In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death."
"It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage," he continued.
Kennedy, who delivered the opinion of the court, was joined in the majority by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan. The dissenters were Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito. Each filed their own dissenting opinion.
The decision upholds the Fourteenth Amendment that requires a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex and to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out of state, according to the court document.
"They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right," the majority wrote.
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SkyWriting
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I don't really want to argue with your theology since that seems to offend you, but, according to Scripture, you are not correct. Matthew 11:20-22; Luke 12:47-48; John 19:11; Hebrews 10:29 tell us that there are varying degrees of punishment because all people are NOT equally bad. Christians are justified before God's law. Coming to Christ in repentance and seeking His forgiveness and indwelling, does two things: 1) it absolves of previous sin and we are declared righteous before His law--washed in His Blood. 2) We are helped to avoid sin by His indwelling Holy Spirit. Because of His constant presence, we develop a distaste for our former sins and adhering to the Ten Commandments becomes a minimum standard of conduct. But, not all who claim Christ have the indwelling Holy Spirit, which is given to those who obey Him. (Acts 5:32; John 14:15-18; Acts 2:38; 2 Peter 1:2-4). Those who have no repentance and who have no intention to obey Him in ALL things will die in their sins. The temptation to sin is NOT sin. Succumbing to the temptation is where sin resides.
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There is no law against doing good. Those flaunting their sin are doing harm to others. Such should be restrained from doing so for the benefit of the weak. Let people hate Christians, they hated Jesus first.
Your interpretation of the passages you quote is obvious. Local secular government does NOT determine what is moral. God alone determines what is moral in a given situation. In this Christian era, He has given the responsibility to the Church (not government) to define morality, by the power of His Spirit which indwells the true Church. That is why true Christians (those indwelt by His Holy Spirit--Romans 8:9) oppose abortion with the only exception being to save the life of the mother (especially, if she has other children for whom she must care). She might elect to save the life of her child and sacrifice her own in the process but with modern medicine, the probability is tiny.
Shedding innocent blood is a grave evil. You speak of "chopping up bodies" but, in the act of abortion, the abortionist chops up the tiny bodies. In the case of late-term abortion, it is clearly murder, plain and simple. Approximately 10,000 late-term abortions are performed every year, in the U.S. alone. Very few (3%) of those abortions are done to save the life of the mother.
Yes, we are called to show love and compassion--especially to those within the Church. We, as Christians are to equally value truth as well as love. There are many, many Scriptures in the New Testament which enjoins us to stand for the truth revealed in Scripture. Was it an exercise in "harshness and hardness" when Jesus denounced the Pharisees and Sadducees for their lies "like their father Satan"? In these days, when the truth is attacked on every side, it is even harder to stand for the truth. Yes, at times, Stranger is a bit more on the side of truth than love but I expect that he is softer of heart in his personal life than he shows here. God calls us to be soft of heart but He also calls us to be hard of head (thus the "helmet of salvation") to stand for the truth against the lies of Satan. Satan really doesn't change tactics--he knows that getting the people to accept sexual sin (the sexual sin of the "sexual revolution" of the 1960's seems to have gotten the ball rolling in the U.S.) is key to debauching a people. Balaam tried to curse the Israelites, but could not. But what he did do was to recruit Moabite women to seduce the Israelite men--the beginning of Israel's fall into deeper and deeper levels of sin that culminated in the sacrificing of their own children to Molech. We should all be adamant about defending the truth--in love when that is possible, but sometimes we just need to bluntly state the truth.
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First, it doesn’t matter what I believe about homosexuality or any of the many sinful practices found in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Whether it is pride, arrogance, abuse of power, inhospitality, rape, or the unpunished sins of Lot’s daughters or Lot himself! A man who, after offering his daughters to the mob for gang rape, is soon after, described as too drunk to notice his own daughters having sex with him, but not drunk enough to have sex - um, yeah....
Selecting homosexuality out of the cesspool of behaviors demonstrated by every citizen involved is like prosecuting the Green River killer for picking up prostitutes.
I agree with Pope Francis; speaking about gay people in 2013, he said, "the key is for the church to welcome, not exclude and show mercy, not condemnation." He said, "If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge?" "The problem," he continued, "is not having this orientation. We must be brothers."
Finally, if God wants to condemn homosexuals, who are in monogamous relationships - not the worldliness of teacher/student sex or public bath sex as condemned by Paul - then, I will be surprised and conflicted. In the meantime, I will continue to love God and my neighbor without out prejudice.
Well, if it doesn't matter what you believe, just shut up.
Queers were who were there in (Gen. 19). Queers were what characterized the arrogant and prideful people of Sodom. Scripture selected them, not me.
And, you are conflicted. Your do good 'liberalism' forces you to not believe the Bible. God does condemn homosexualtiy.
My question remains, even though you refuse to answer. Do you agree with skywriting that it is ok to be a queer? Though you don't want to answer you have already answered. Of course you do. All one has to do is say 'I love god and my neighbor'. Then queer away.
How stupid.
Stranger
Yes what? Can you FORM a complete thought?
Yes you do or do not support homosexual marriage ?
LOL, more lefty twisted corruption!
Equal Dignity to whom?
No ONE was granted dignity under the 14th Amendment. LOL
Glory to God,
Taken
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