No One Goes to Heaven, and What the Kingdom of God On Earth Will Be Like in the Millennial Shabbath

[101G]

This is more nonsense about Enoch, Elijah, and the saints of God. They certainly did not become birds of the air as you suggest, flying about in the sky! Amazing how unbelief warps the minds of people.

The Bible states EXPLICITLY that Enoch did not see death, so you have contradicted God right there.

The Bible states EXPLICITLY that God sent a heavenly chariot with heavenly horses to take Elijah to Heaven (God's Heaven, the third Heaven). So Elijah too did not experience death.

first thanks for the reply, second you're misguded. clearly hebrews 11: state he died, so don't argue with me. and the same with Elijah. they was moved from one point on the planet to another. this is nothing new, we have the same thing happening with Philip Acts 8:39 "And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Acts 8:40 "But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

here Philip was moved from one place to another, just as the priest Ezekie was lifted up from the earth and carried to another place on the earth. Enoch did not see death there, where he was at on the planet, because God moved him.

you dug your own ditch and bbyrd009 let you fall right into it.

you need to study before you speak.

now, you want to try and answer the Revelation chapter 5 question, but study it first before you speak.

who sits on the throne and who is standing, (the Lamb). no ditch here to be dug, the answer is in the bible.

PICJAG.

 

[bbyrd009]

Titus 2:13. Hmmmm

Hmm. He appears when you can see that He was right there with you all along, i reckon.
I will never leave you nor forsake you. Sorry, ok.

Paul must not have "had" Christ either. 1 Corinthians 1:7

P4L, you gotta be Ordained i guess, right. Why should i even bother with you, can you tell me that? I'm not even going to reply to this obvious blunder unless someone else asks me to, ok? There's a whole nother half of the Bible you just won't go anywhere near, huh, and don't kid yours
Elf, itshows.
Wait for the revelation--that means "revealed" btw--as long as you like bro, wait til you die if you want to, no prob. Bye

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I call you an idiot, not the Messiah, for saying that the Messiah has already come. Soon enough you will see how wrong you were, when the Messiah literally returns, to your own demise, for teaching lies.

You have for the second time called someone an idiot. Once again, this is unacceptable.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The second coming of the Messiah has not happened yet you idiot. Stop teaching lies. What Year the Second Coming Will Be, the Millennial Shabbath of the Year 6000 YB, Yovels, and the 1290+1335 Days of Daniel | Wisdom of God

Once again, unacceptable behavior.

 

[Enoch111]

first thanks for the reply, second you're misguded. clearly hebrews 11: state he died, so don't argue with me.

You continue to contradict the Bible, and then have the gall to say "don't argue with me".

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. (Heb 11:5)

When the Bible says "that he should not see death" in plain English it means he would not die, and did not die. Then it says because God had translated him, which means that he was taken (transported) from earth to Heaven. Furthermore the Bible says that "God took him": And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. (Gen 5:23,24)

Where else would God take him except to Heaven, as He has taken all of His saints?

 

[charity]

There is a popular teaching among Catholics and Protestants that after men die, they immediately either go to hell, or to heaven. Through scripture I explain why this teaching isn't true, what "hell" will actually be, and why no one goes to heaven, and what the true inheritance of the people of God will be, which relates to these prophecies, "the meek shall inherit the earth" and "they shall rule the earth for 1,000 years". I also describe how the kingdom of God will be in detail, and how it will be governed, and why it will be the height of civilization on this earth. No One Goes to Heaven, and What the Kingdom of God On Earth Will Be Like in the Millennial Shabbath | Wisdom of God

Hello @cgneustar,

I agree that man does not go to either the traditionally held view of hell or to heaven at death, for the breath of life (or spirit) goes back to God Who gave it, and man is no longer a living soul. It requires the power of the resurrection to raise him from the dead.

I have read your link through, but with wariness; for with respect, I do not know you, and do not want to fall into error. I do believe that the Lord Jesus Christ will return to the earth, as prophesied, and that all will be accomplished that is written in His Word concerning the Heavens and the Earth, and all that dwell therein.

May His Name be Praised!

May the Word of God be the arbiter in these matters.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[justbyfaith]

Sorry I didn't get to this very quickly.

Here is my two cents from the word of the Lord:

Col 1:4, Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
Col 1:5, For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;

1Pe 1:3, Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

 

[charity]

Sorry I didn't get to this very quickly.

Here is my two cents from the word of the Lord:

Col 1:4, Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
Col 1:5, For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;

1Pe 1:3, Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time
.

Hello @justbyfaith,

Wonderful words! Praise God!
However this requires the resurrection from the dead for fulfillment.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[justbyfaith]

Angels are Christ's priests?
Jesus is returning?

Can you Quote either of these from Scripture, ty

2Pe 3:3, Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they werefrom the beginning of the creation.

Mat 24:29, Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30, And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31, And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[justbyfaith]

Hello @justbyfaith,

Wonderful words! Praise God!
However this requires the resurrection from the dead for fulfillment.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

 

[charity]

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

Hello @justbyfaith,

You have misquoted this Scripture, as so many do: but, again, it requires resurrection for it's fulfilment, or the return of Christ Himself at that time.

Instead of jumping in with a response, you should really read and consider what you are saying.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[cgneustar]

Hello @justbyfaith,

You have misquoted this Scripture, as so many do: but, again, it requires resurrection for it's fulfilment, or the return of Christ Himself at that time.

Instead of jumping in with a response, you should really read and consider what you are saying.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

He's stubborn, its a waste of time to argue with him. But him on ignore like I did.

 

[marks]

2 Corinthians 5:1 "For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

 

[Enoch111]

You have misquoted this Scripture, as so many do: but, again, it requires resurrection for it's fulfilment, or the return of Christ Himself at that time.

That is not correct.
Was Stephen -- the first martyr -- not absent from the body and present with the Lord immediately upon his death?
And it that not true for every believer who passes on?
And is it not true that every saint (OT and NT) is now presently in Heaven with the Lord and with God the Father?

When Christians die, their bodies are placed in graves, but their souls and spirit go directly to Heaven. That is the clear teaching of the Bible. Yet we have naysayers on this site vehemently denying Bible truth.

 

[bbyrd009]

2Pe 3:3, Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they werefrom the beginning of the creation.

Mat 24:29, Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30, And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31, And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

so iow no, yes?

Coming certainly. Revealed even better. But i submit that we are even provided NT examples of strepho that do not comport with the Mithraist Christian pov that we all want to believe ezackly for this reason; although i understand that this is not info anyone wants to consider.

So, Acts 15:16 Lexicon: 'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return, AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN, AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL RESTORE IT, , and may the Spirit be our guide. The sign of the Son of Man appearing in heaven causes us all to mourn, anyone curious as to how that might comport with "rapture?"

 

[bbyrd009]

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

You really believe that, don't you? You even believe you can Quote that too, jbf?
You can't, ok? It is not in There bro, sorry

 

[bbyrd009]

2 Corinthians 5:1 "For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

So much for the literal pov, huh?

 

[justbyfaith]

Messiah will not be seen by all eyes when He returns,

See Revelation 1:7.

Enoch died an earthly death verse 13 proves this.

verse 5 shows that Enoch is an exception to what is spoken of in verse 13.

You have for the second time called someone an idiot.

I count four or five times that he has now done this.

He's stubborn, its a waste of time to argue with him. But him on ignore like I did.

Praise the Lord, that means that when I refute your opinions you will have nothing to say in return.

You really believe that, don't you? You even believe you can Quote that too, jbf?
You can't, ok? It is not in There bro, sorry

"To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord," is right there in 2 Corinthians 5, if you would care to look for it.

 

[101G]

You continue to contradict the Bible, and then have the gall to say "don't argue with me".

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. (Heb 11:5)

When the Bible says "that he should not see death" in plain English it means he would not die, and did not die. Then it says because God had translated him, which means that he was taken (transported) from earth to Heaven. Furthermore the Bible says that "God took him": And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. (Gen 5:23,24)

Where else would God take him except to Heaven, as He has taken all of His saints?

first thanks for the response, second, you just don't know do you, nor understand. you really don't know what translate means do you?. it means TRANSPORT, or CARRY OVER. he was move from where unrighteous men would have killed him, for at that time the earth was full of violence.

and the bible clearly states these all died. Hebrews 11:13 "These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth".

God did not take enoch to Heaven, the third heaven. you should ask the Holy Spirit for understanding.

erse 5 shows that Enoch is an exception to what is spoken of in verse 13.

ERROR, there was NO exception, Hebrews 11:13 "These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth".

well justby faith did Enoch recieved any of, or all the promises? no, for one of the promises was not given untill the day of pentecost, hence their faith.

we suggest you read up on Enoch and Elijah, and understand what happen to them.

PICJAG.

 

[justbyfaith]

first thanks for the response, second, you just don't know do you, nor understand. you really don't know what translate means do you?. it means TRANSPORT, or CARRY OVER. he was move from where unrighteous men would have killed him, for at that time the earth was full of violence.

and the bible clearly states these all died. Hebrews 11:13 "These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth".

God did not take enoch to Heaven, the third heaven. you should ask the Holy Spirit for understanding.


ERROR, there was NO exception, Hebrews 11:13 "These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth".

well justby faith did Enoch recieved any of, or all the promises? no, for one of the promises was not given untill the day of pentecost, hence their faith.

we suggest you read up on Enoch and Elijah, and understand what happen to them.

PICJAG.

It is no error my friend.

verse 5 is clear that Enoch did not see death, and was translated so that he should not see death.

Since Enoch did not see death, how is it that you can say that he died?

You are contradicting what the holy scripture is saying in verse 5.