ADDING WORKS:

[GodsGrace]

So you think you love as much as God loves and that makes you perfect. I think you have an attitude problem. You obviously, have not read where God says the works of man are as dirty rags. lol

Oh wow.
The dirty rags again.
We had a nice discussion about this just yesterday.
Guess you never went back and read the ENTIRE CHAPTER.
Guess it's better to just look upon our works for God to be like
dirty rags.
Wonder what God thinks about this?
John 14:15

 

[H. Richard]

So do I... but I believe you are laying so much stress on this one verse that you are discarding chapters of scripture in the process.


Why the insults again? H. Richard, honestly: I'm not threatening you. My response carried a warning, but out of genuine concern for your welfare, not because I'm trying to "threaten" you or something. Same goes for that remark about I need to prove I'm "better" than you. God forbid, LoL.

But again, don't your own responses when you are this defensive make you pause for a moment and consider that maybe your position is weaker than you assumed?

Why am I having to defend myself? Isn't it because of the things you write about me.

According to Jesus few will find it. Are you so blind to what you do. A warning is the same as a threat.

Concerned about my welfare? So the religious who went to South American to save the savages were concerned about their welfare as they enslaved them to dig for gold. Just wonderful.

Me defend? You defend your right to judge the salvation of a child of God.

 

[H. Richard]

Oh wow.
The dirty rags again.
We had a nice discussion about this just yesterday.
Guess you never went back and read the ENTIRE CHAPTER.
Guess it's better to just look upon our works for God to be like
dirty rags.
Wonder what God thinks about this?
John 14:15

The work of the child of God is to be an ambassador of Christ. To spread the gospel of Grace where God Himself (Jesus) paid for the sins of the whole world. It is not to claim their good works.

 

[GodsGrace]

The work of the child of God is to be an ambassador of Christ. To spread the gospel of Grace where God Himself (Jesus) paid for the sins of the whole world. It is not to claim their good works.

OK
I'm not posting those pages referring to good deeds/works again.
Just remember what James said:

What good is it to say GOD BLESS YOU to the hungry
if you don't also give them something to eat...or to keep warm.

James 2:15-17
15If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
17Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Why am I having to defend myself?

Your doctrinal position, H. Richard. I was asking you to defend your doctrinal position.

But your course appears to be set in stone. So be it.

 

[justbyfaith]

You obviously, have not read where God says the works of man are as dirty rags. lol

See Revelation 19:8. This is to be interpreted by Philippians 3:9. The righteousness of faith is fine linen; the righteousness that comes by the works of the law is filthy rags.

Oh wow.
The dirty rags again.
We had a nice discussion about this just yesterday.
Guess you never went back and read the ENTIRE CHAPTER.
Guess it's better to just look upon our works for God to be like
dirty rags.

Context never nullifies the plain meaning of any single verse of scripture.

Likewise, Revelation 19:8 (the topical context of Isaiah 64:6, in contrast) does not nullify the plain meaning of Isaiah 64:6.

You can have fine linen as righteousness, no one is arguing against that. What we are saying is that the fine linen is the righteousness of faith.

Jesus said to clean the inside of the cup and platter, that the outside may also be clean.

Wonder what God thinks about this?
John 14:15

Notice that John 14:15 does not say, "You must keep my commandments in order to maintain your salvation."

It says, If you love me, keep my commandments.

It is saying that keeping the commandments of Jesus is the natural outcropping of having real love for Him.

So, the established order:

Faith (Galatians 3:14).

Forgiveness and salvation (Romans 5:1-9, Romans 4:1-8, Titus 3:4-7, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 11:5-6)

The love of God being shed abroad in the heart (Romans 5:5, Luke 7:36-50, 1 John 4:19).

This love not being in word or in tongue only, but in deed and in truth (1 John 3:17-18).

This love being the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within us (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).

 

[bbyrd009]

The work of the child of God is to be an ambassador of Christ. To spread the gospel of Grace where God Himself (Jesus) paid for the sins of the whole world. It is not to claim their good works.

"I will just Stand Here and piss on the cross as long as they let me, and when anyone attempts to shine any light on the subject I will be over here behind this tree"

 

[bbyrd009]

"I can even read where I can just say this magic spell with the Name Jesus in it and God will honor that, but religious people will call me names and hurt me Bc I am a wilting flower" lol, literal comedy. Can you not even tell what "religious" means, man?

 

[Phoneman777]

The three of you are majorly talking past each other.

What does it mean to "talk past" someone?

 

[bbyrd009]

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   You don't know thing 1about what you are constantly blabbing on about HR, and your obviously guilty demeanor is getting really old bro.
   2 Corinthians 5:10 Lexicon: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
   now reply to that, or don't,
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   tried my best to delete them, but glad now they came out tbh. Change the forum protocols again if you like, ok with me (might not be completely fair; some announcement of the change in editing protocol here might have been made, dunno?).
   
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   You'll imo see that direct personal attacks where he can play the victim without addressing the points are the only way you will ever get a response, and the response will always be "I am the victim here"
   
   

 

[Phoneman777]

I decided just to take it as him having a moment of weakness, LoL. We all have them : )

70 times 7, right? LOL I know, but it's still kinda annoying when someone resorts to throwing around the "H" word instead of addressing a point with a counterpoint. Usually, the ad hominem is the result of the inability to make one

 

[GodsGrace]

See Revelation 19:8. This is to be interpreted by Philippians 3:9. The righteousness of faith is fine linen; the righteousness that comes by the works of the law is filthy rags.



Context never nullifies the plain meaning of any single verse of scripture.

Likewise, Revelation 19:8 (the topical context of Isaiah 64:6, in contrast) does not nullify the plain meaning of Isaiah 64:6.

You can have fine linen as righteousness, no one is arguing against that. What we are saying is that the fine linen is the righteousness of faith.

Jesus said to clean the inside of the cup and platter, that the outside may also be clean.



Notice that John 14:15 does not say, "You must keep my commandments in order to maintain your salvation."

It says, If you love me, keep my commandments.

It is saying that keeping the commandments of Jesus is the natural outcropping of having real love for Him.

So, the established order:

Faith (Galatians 3:14).

Forgiveness and salvation (Romans 5:1-9, Romans 4:1-8, Titus 3:4-7, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 11:5-6)

The love of God being shed abroad in the heart (Romans 5:5, Luke 7:36-50, 1 John 4:19).

This love not being in word or in tongue only, but in deed and in truth (1 John 3:17-18).

This love being the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within us (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).

I can't continue this JBF.
I'm not able to go on and on.
Jesus said you are MY FRIENDS....IF you do what I command you.
John 15:14

You can probably turn that one around too.
Just above you said love is in deed and truth.
What deed?
You're proving MY point...not yours.

And you're doing what I was speaking of.

You say that something JESUS said must be weighed by other scripture that belongs to Paul.

This is wrong.

 

[bbyrd009]

hr fwiw i do feel for you, sorry it came out this way and don't blame you for not wanting to confess ok bc after all,
"Works will not save you, piss on works"
"Hey, look what this guy said in an email, that i imported to the forum!"
"I confess, tried to erase it but couldn't, but yeah"
"banned for three days"
see, which i maybe boiled that down a bit too much as usual, but understand that i burned myself here for a reason, ok sug, a principle; no, you cannot teach that works are irrelevant without being a hypocrite. And while i easily forgive you as i am one too, no, you are not going to teach other ppl that it's ok to be a hypocrite on any site that will have me as a member. Now all of your choices still stand, even the last one, and you can take that as a threat if you like, but you will be the one choosing the path ok. We'll see if i mean what i say iis guess, huh, if you have any stones imo you'll pick that last one bro
aight be proud of who you are ok, God loves you just like you are, and get off this terminal guilt trip ok bro. HR is gay. See? Nobody cares

 

[bbyrd009]

Confession leads to salvation

 

[bbyrd009]

Um, with apologies to elf i guess, dint mean to involve you there k, ida done same thing prolly

 

[Hidden In Him]

You'll imo see that direct personal attacks where he can play the victim without addressing the points are the only way you will ever get a response, and the response will always be "I am the victim here"

Utterly ignoring people's arguments is something I have a very hard time relating to, but I'm getting more used to it now. There have been times when I actually didn't fully comprehend what was being said, and passed on replying (such as I did with you a few times, LoL), but using a tactic like this smacks of complete insincerity, as if there's clearly some agenda at work other than the honest pursuit of the truth.

If there were a way to ban it from taking place on forums I'd be for it, but I suppose being publicly exposed and proven to have no argument is enough.

 

[Hidden In Him]

70 times 7, right? LOL I know, but it's still kinda annoying when someone resorts to throwing around the "H" word instead of addressing a point with a counterpoint. Usually, the ad hominem is the result of the inability to make one

Precisely the point I was just making with Byrd...

As I said, I'm getting more used to it. Something I've seen a lot more of lately... unfortunately, LoL. Nice to see more than one member complaining about it, though. It seems to break all the rules of common discourse.

 

[Helen]

@bbyrd009
45 years ago some of us preached in what is called "Speaker Corner" in London...on soap boxes. In the crowed was always hecklers.

Mark, that is what you are beginning to sound like...a repetitive heckler.

We were used to them...we preached 'over them'.

Plus, you are wearing out your latest pet phrase -" Pissing on the Cross"
It is distasteful.

We have heard it enough times now...you have made your point.

 

[GodsGrace]

What does it mean to "talk past" someone?

The two are not understanding each other.
They're replying to stuff that wasn't said.

 

[bbyrd009]

@bbyrd009
45 years ago some of us preached in what is called "Speaker Corner" in London...on soap boxes. In the crowed was always hecklers.

Mark, that is what you are beginning to sound like...a repetitive heckler.

We were used to them...we preached 'over them'.

Plus, you are wearing out your latest pet phrase -" Pissing on the Cross"
It is distasteful.

We have heard it enough times now...you have made your point.

ah, we'll see i guess. I asked many times, quite nicely, for HR to reconsider already Helen. Tbh i don't he will be convinced without a little more convincing, and i cant think of a better than a hands on demo at this point either. Bet he'd be atalkin a diff tune bout works then lol. Bet his ignore button ed work just fine after that too