That is an odd conclusion . I just don't think that you necessarily have all the right ones aka answers....if I'm recalling some of your past threads correctly.
Can one be saved while they are all alone?
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Then let’s discuss why? The key to that though is we both need to be willing to answer each other’s questions.That is an odd conclusion . I just don't think that you necessarily have all the right ones aka answers....if I'm recalling some of your past threads correctly.
atpollard
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The word or the word of the kingdom.
1. Irrelevant to the actual parable, so it is not clearly stated.
2. Yes, there is a Gideons Bible in every hotel room.
3. In practice, one person telling another is the usual way the word is transmitted to most people.
You’ll have to explain what you mean by word or word of the kingdom.
It’s not irrelevant. No matter how you receive “the word” a man was responsible for it. Whether you read it through the NT or hear it preached directly. Man sows the seed.
atpollard
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Those were verbatim quotes from the two gospels where the parable is found. One says the seed is the "word" and the other says the seed is the "word of the kingdom". Since you did not reference which verses you were speaking of when referring to the parable, there were two "scriptural" answers.
Jesus does not explain who the "sower" is in the parable. That is just a simple statement of fact. So Jesus considered what the "seed" represented and what each "soil" represented important to understanding the parable, but Jesus did not view the identity of the "sower" important to understanding the parable.
Jesus is the Word. God breathed the word. The Spirit inspired the Prophets and Apostles to write the word. Satan blinds men to the word. The Holy Spirit teaches us to understand the word.
... yet you want to give all credit for 'sowing' the word to men?
I acknowledged that one person speaking the word to another is the most common means of transmission, but I am unwilling to go so far as to make men the sole source of the hearing of the word.
atpollard
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Could you explain the analogy to a city boy ... so I know whether to be offended or not.
Now I still just feel confused by the statement.
I have come to the truth which is in the Word of God.
Baptism is necessary for being an obedient Christian. Every genuine Christian must be baptized as soon as he/she is saved.
But baptism is not necessary for salvation, and Romans 10, Ephesians 2:8-10, and Titus 3:4-7 should suffice.
It’s one parable therefore it’s the same word. You have separate authors describing it in separate ways. Two call it “the word”. Mark and Luke who was probably not even a Jew.
Mathew adds “the word” of the kingdom. They are the same just described in different ways, by different authors.
So, when I asked....what is the seed? The proper answer is the word.
He identified the sower as a man. That’s all we need to know.
So, when I asked...can the seed be sown without man? The answer is no. Nobody today learns the word without the Bible. So, man is required in order for the seed to be sown. Rom 10:13-15
Yes, and we don’t know anything about Christ, the HS without this word which was given us through man.
how does anybody know anything about Christ without the word? Written or preached.
Paul says it not me..
Romans 10:13-15 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
You want to be saved? Then you will have to call.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?
You want to call? Then you first have to believe.
and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?
You want to believe? Then you must first hear. Hear what? The word
and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
You want to hear? Then there must be a preacher. The preacher can come from the book or a preacher today but either way the word comes through man. The Lord says that it’s a beautiful thing that man spreads the gospel.
Paul also said, speaking about the gospel..
We have this treasure in earthen vessels. But it’s God who gets the glory when you preach his word. Man gets the glory when you preach mans doctrine. Like laying on your bed and saying a prayer for salvation.
atpollard
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When someone asks why I answered a question the way that I did, and I explain why I chose the words that I chose ... it is unspeakably off putting to be told a verbatim scriptural quote is the wrong answer.
Is Matthew any less inspired scripture than any other gospel? If not, then you are misguided to correct me for quoting Matthew.
I have no idea what the rest of your post said, because at this point I have no interest in hearing your opinions about which scripture is more ‘god breathed’ than other scriptures. Enlighten someone else.
Romans....was written to people who were already saved. We know they were baptized for remission of sins
Ephesians...was written to people who were already saved. We know they were baptized twice.
Titus...written to someone already saved. A brother in the “common faith” which means he too would have been baptized.
No need to direct them how to be saved..I don’t know why people go to letters written to individuals who are already saved in order to learn how to be saved?
It’s absurd to imply that Christ, because of the authors wording, was speaking of two different “words”.
Matthew is not any less inspired. Mathew, mark and Luke wrote of the same word regardless how they worded it. To think anything else is ridiculous.
Ok. Word man. I’m sure you like the rest believe in salvation by faith alone. So, since you are such a stickler for words show me anywhere in the NT where we see the phrase saved by FAITH ALONE. And because you are such stickler for words...I need to have it verbatim..
atpollard
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Since subtle hasn’t worked ... kiss my grits.
I am sick of being told what to do by you.
All I did was ask simple questions. Ones my 10 year old would have no problem with but some reason you do.
You are just like the rest. You don’t want to study and ask each other basic bible questions so we can learn something. You just want to spout your false doctrine and nobody can ever tell you different. You’ll fit in good on this board.
Also
True Christian character is shown when challenged.
You’ll know them by their fruit.
Oh, and don’t feel bad...nobody else has been able to find saved by”faith alone” in the Bible. It doesn’t exist. But I know what does...
“Baptism doth also NOW SAVE US. 1 pet 3:21.
atpollard
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You are correct...saved by faith is not scriptural...we are saved by Grace...His Grace towards us...our faith is what grows in us as we hear the Word taught. Scripture does teach that we are all GIVEN a measure of faith as believers...Romans 12:3....
How people come to believe in Jesus is by the preaching of the Gospel of how He loves us enough to die for us...John 6:44 says no man can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them.
Can a person be saved all alone? Nothing is impossible with God and He will find a way.
Until you properly interpret what Peter was saying.
... but the answer of a good conscience toward God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ...
What exactly does this mean? Can immersion in H2O cleanse a conscience from guilt? Can sins be washed away with soap and water? And what does the resurrection of Jesus Christ have to do with a clean conscience?
The Contemporary English Version seems to have brought out the correct meaning: "It means turning to God with a clear conscience, because Jesus Christ was raised from death."
And unless we go further into Gospel truth, and other Scriptures, we will not properly understand the connection. BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ORDINARY WATER. So it is now up to you to search for the truth. Chances are you won't.
The technical term is theophany. It means a preencarnation appearance of Jesus.
So yes they knew Jesus.
You are exactly right. Baptism is tied into the resurrection. The passage itself does away with the notion that baptism has anything to do with the flesh. (Not the washing away of the filth of the flesh)
When you read Rom 6, you’ll see how water baptism ties into the resurrection.
You died to your sin...
Buried in the water....
Raised up out of the water to walk in newness of life....
There’s where the conscience is cleared. The believer that understands the truth about baptism will rejoice like the Eunuch because they will know that they too have been raised from the dead.
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Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
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I will agree that I don’t have that much patience on here. I get tired of asking simple questions only to get the run around. All I want is for people to try and give me an honest answer. It don’t have to match mine. That’s where study comes in.
But, when I ask someone what the “seed” of the parable of the sower is and they give some goofy answer like yours, then I know this person is going to be one of those who likes to be difficult just to prove some point. I have zero patience for that. You ask me a question, I’ll give you.....
What the Bible says and If I don’t know I’ll tell you.
Go ahead and try it if you want.
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