Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.

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101G

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I don't agree!

If Jesus is the 2nd person of the Trinity,,,
how can He also be the 1st person of the Trinity?
FOR THERE IS NO TRINITY, We suggest you read the topic “The One True Almighty God IS Father, Son and Holy Spirit=The One True Almighty God!!”, Post #57
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FOR THERE IS NO TRINITY, We suggest you read the topic “The One True Almighty God IS Father, Son and Holy Spirit=The One True Almighty God!!”, Post #57
PICJAG.
I think you mean post 58.
I read it.
So you're basing your beliefs on scripture alone?
Did you ever study the trinity outside of the bible...
where the early church came to the conclusion of
The Trinity....One God, 3 different persons in that One God.

??
 

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I think you mean post 58.
I read it.
So you're basing your beliefs on scripture alone?
Did you ever study the trinity outside of the bible...
where the early church came to the conclusion of
The Trinity....One God, 3 different persons in that One God.

??
no, “The One True Almighty God IS Father, Son and Holy Spirit=The One True Almighty God!!”, Post #57
 

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no, “The One True Almighty God IS Father, Son and Holy Spirit=The One True Almighty God!!”, Post #57
Oh my.
Yo no intiendo.

Just tell me this:
Do you believe in the Trinity or Godhead
which states the following:


Trinity-Triune-diagram-122016-optim.png
 

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Oh my.
Yo no intiendo.

Just tell me this:
Do you believe in the Trinity or Godhead
which states the following:


Trinity-Triune-diagram-122016-optim.png
no, just turn, or roll your symbol to the left, facing, and have the Holy Spirit at the top, and get rid of the "is not's".... and replace them with "I AM".

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no, just turn, or roll your symbol to the left, facing, and have the Holy Spirit at the top, and get rid of the "is not's".... and replace them with "I AM".

PICJAG.
You mean Father is Holy Spirit
Son is Holy Spirit ?
 

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You mean Father is Holy Spirit
Son is Holy Spirit ?
correct, the Holy Spirit without flesh as our Lord said in Matthew 19:4 is the "he", the one whom you calls the Father. the Son, is the equal "share" of thr Holy Spirit, the Father in flesh on earth. there is no three persons only one who holds both "TITLES" Father, and Son. the First is the Holy Spirit without flesh. the Last is the Holy Spirit shared in flesh. supportive sctipture, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. THE SAME PERSON.

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I don't agree!

If Jesus is the 2nd person of the Trinity,,,
how can He also be the 1st person of the Trinity?

Because the first person of the Trinity descended to become a Man; thus forming the second Person of the Trinity.

Therefore the 2nd Person is formed by the hypostatic union...in Spirit He is God (the Father)...but in the flesh He is the Son of man.
 

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FOR THERE IS NO TRINITY, We suggest you read the topic “The One True Almighty God IS Father, Son and Holy Spirit=The One True Almighty God!!”, Post #57
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What?
THERE IS NO TRINITY!!!
No wonder I can't understand it!

Today is not a good day for theology.
 

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correct, the Holy Spirit without flesh as our Lord said in Matthew 19:4 is the "he", the one whom you calls the Father. the Son, is the equal "share" of thr Holy Spirit, the Father in flesh on earth. there is no three persons only one who holds both "TITLES" Father, and Son. the First is the Holy Spirit without flesh. the Last is the Holy Spirit shared in flesh. supportive sctipture, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. THE SAME PERSON.

PICJAG.
What does Matthew 19:4 have to do with this?

So while the Father got some skin and came down to earth....
WHO was running the universe?
 

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What does Matthew 19:4 have to do with this?

So while the Father got some skin and came down to earth....
WHO was running the universe?
The nature of inhabiting eternity is that if One descends from that position, they cannot vacate eternity in order to ascend.

So the answer is, in the descending, God the Father continued to inhabit eternity; thus the distinction in Persons.

Because now you have one Person inhabiting eternity and another Person inhabiting the flesh body of Jesus Christ. Who, btw, are the same Person.

Of course it is the nature of the Trinity that there is paradox inherent in its understanding.
 

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The nature of inhabiting eternity is that if One descends from that position, they cannot vacate eternity in order to ascend.

So the answer is, in the descending, God the Father continued to inhabit eternity; thus the distinction in Persons.

Because now you have one Person inhabiting eternity and another Person inhabiting the flesh body of Jesus Christ. Who, btw, are the same Person.

Of course it is the nature of the Trinity that there is paradox inherent in its understanding.
Wow.
You're telling me.
Could YOU tell I'm not in a theology type mood right now?
I can't remember if I tagged you.
Get over to the fellowship forum and help me look for Ralph.
 

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As you know,,,,I'm in no mood to discuss the Trinity or Godhead, right now.
Ralph is missing and we must find him.

However, if you REALLY want to know about the Trinity
from someone who knows....try reading this:

How to understand three persons in the Trinity
And I would suggest reading the first four posts in this thread, beginning here:

Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.

I wrote them because of the fact that the Lord has given me an understanding of the true Trinity through reading and meditating on His word...

If you continue to filter down through the thread, you also may get added understanding if you pay attention to only my posts (seeing what I have to say on the subject).

So, as soon as you find Ralph (assuming he isn't raptured :confused::eek:o_O ), I believe that you will be able to enter once again into a state of mind wherein you will be able to think on this subject with a rational mind; and perhaps come to the same conclusions that I have come to.
 

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What does Matthew 19:4 have to do with this?

So while the Father got some skin and came down to earth....
WHO was running the universe?
Jesus the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, hence the "share" in flesh. that's why one need to understand G243 Allos, the numerial difference. it's just that easy to understand. supportive scripture, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven". while the "share", the Offspring, the Lord Jesus, God, was here on earth talking to Nicodemus, at the same time in Spirit, in heaven running the universe. it's to easy.
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Jesus the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, hence the "share" in flesh. that's why one need to understand G243 Allos, the numerial difference. it's just that easy to understand. supportive scripture, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven". while the "share", the Offspring, the Lord Jesus, God, was here on earth talking to Nicodemus, at the same time in Spirit, in heaven running the universe. it's to easy.
PICJAG
What does John 3:13 mean exactly?