The Church The Papacy Says You Should Join

[Jay Ross]

Sadly, the understanding that is rife throughout the "Christianised" world is not predominately scripturally based, because of the inability to see the spiritual activity/influence behind the various manifestations within the worldly environment of mankind.

As is evident on this forum, many people have tried to unravel the prophetic words about the events that have and will occur right up and until the end of the age of the ages.

The rivalry between the various "Christian sects" is not healthy for God's Church/assembly of saints and what is seen from outside is the bullying, name calling and domination of the strongest voices in support of their pet theories.

The story line of the events are present in the scriptures, but they are not all linked as neatly as we would like, nor are we able to easily see long periods of time between events along the time line of God. We treat the word "then" as an indicator of events that immediately follow each other, rather than a list of events that follow each other with different periods of times between the listed events. Where the listed events may be give in a forward or regressive order of occurring. That the scriptures can be like a jigsaw when the picture must be put together from the disconnected pieces of information provided in the scriptures. That the word pictures presented in telling the storyline of prophecy may not be as we would like them to be understood. That a time gap not present in one particular prophecy may have to be found in another prophecy concerning the same prophetic event. The outcomes of one event may need to be found in a number of prophetic accounts of the same event.

When our understandings of God's prophetic prophecies is lacking, it is best that we back off from our dogmatic approaches and wait patiently for the right understanding to come.

This thread would seem to be one case where this would be appropriate.

Shalom

 

[Phoneman777]

Okay, thank you for your clarification.



I delineate a difference between;
Work, Rest, Worshiping the Lord and Praising the Lord.

Worshiping the Lord, I would agree, was taught in the OT, as the Seventh Day being exclusively set aside for Worshiping the Lord.

And that SAME Seventh Day, was taught Work was to be set aside, and that be a Day of Rest.



I would say, the Majority of people, are not Today, Following OT Laws or Tradition.



I believe JESUS, gave some insight to what seemed a dilemma, for Jews Following the OT, according to Their Understanding, and WORKING on the Sabbath.

In brief, I would say, to my understanding...

The Last Day of the Week was purposed for;
Rest from Doing GODS WORK....but yet there IS WORK for men to do, ON the Seventh Day.
(responsibility for Tending TO; that which they are Responsible FOR).

Corral an animal, which then can not forge for its food, a man must then feed the animal.
Have children who may get hungry, hurt, be sick on the Sabbath, then Tend to the child, etc.


The Last Day of the Week was purposed for:
Instead of DOING Gods Work, Rest from Gods work, and Rather Glorify God In Worshiping Him and Praising Him.

We know, Some but not ALL men WORK during the Week.
We know, of the men who DO work during the Week, are NOT DOING WORK that glorifies God.
We know, some men WORK nights, not days, and Week-ends, not Week-days....and their WORK may or may not be glorifying to God.

We know Jesus, WORKED on the Sabbath, doing a WORK, that glorified God.

We also know, God Does NOT TIRE...but men DO.

We know men were not born with flip a switch electricity...and for centuries, were awake during the Day, and Slept during the Darkness.

What became men Working, day or night, weekday or weekend...was not News to God that would come about.

I believe ANY Day, or ANY Night, ANY Place,
a man Works to Glorify God, Praises the Lord, Worships the Lord...is a THING, the Lord Blesses, regardless of the particular Time, or Day.

And ALL "WORKS", (by a Believer), that Glorifies God, shall be rewarded.

And ALL "WORKS", (by an unbeliever, and even a believers), that do not Glorify God, shall be burned.

Glory to God,
Taken

So, the other nine commandments require no redefining, but that Sabbath commandment does?

 

[Phoneman777]

And what is "enabling" the perverts over at your SDA cult, hmmmmm??

Your hypocrisy is astounding . . .

Dead Bread, the SDA church doesn't enable freaks. We disfellowship them and turn them over to the police, if necessary. Sure, there might be an isolated case here or there, seeing that next to catholicism, we are the only other global Christian denomination, just as Revelation depicts God's pure woman and also the Whore of Babylon, which is catholicism. But, to condemn the SDA church as being guilty of what the papacy is guilty is just plain stupid and dishonest.

As stated several times, if child rape were an Olympic event, the papacy would win the gold, silver, and bronze before the rest of us failed to even qualify.

 

[jaybird]

This is a silly argument.

The Word of God - the Scriptures - call Jesus "God" (John 1:1).

no the word was the Most High, again, your reading into the passage what you want to hear

Jesus calls Himself "Son of Man".

you mean Son of the Most High im guessing, sons of the Most High are not the Most High, they are "sons of", an angel is a son of the Most High.

YOU reject this because you have no faith in the Word of God - and therein lies your problem.

i go with scripture over mans ideas. mans ideas are incorrect quite often.

And once again - you fail to understand CONTEXT.

nothing in the context says three beings are talking to themselves.

I gave you some 64 verses stating the :
The Father is God
The Son is God
The Holy Spirit is God.

So far - all YOU have done is rip one of those 64 verses out of context to make your point. It doesn't work that way -- and THIS is at the root of your confusion about Scripture. By the way - you NEVER explained who the "US" is in Gen. 1:26 . . .

and i could easily copy/paste another 64 verses but whats the point, why not take one verse and discuss why we think it teaches our view.
i never took anything out of context, the context does not say who the Father is talking to. i have an opinion of it but if i were teaching a class i would be crystal clear that the verse does not say. its not right to lead people to believe something spiritual based on an assumption.
i gave you my view on the "US' on P# 313.

 

[Phoneman777]

Should we start with SDA rapists or should we start with the Evangelicals? How about the Baptists? How about the "non-denominationals"??

Who should they execute first??

All of them. Why should another child suffer the kind of unspeakable trauma which rape brings because adult men won't plead with God to change their vile thoughts. Problem is, since experts like Dr. Richard Sipe have found based on over thirty years of research that "SIX PERCENT of all catholic priests act out sexually with minors", what is the papacy going to do about all those vacancies?

 

[jaybird]

PLEASE tell me you're joking.
Are you really this dense - that you cannot discern a Biblical doctrine from a purely political one??

There is NO SUCH Biblical doctrine as "Discovery Doctrine". This is a American political ideology - like the Monroe Doctrine.
Those are NOT the same as BIBLICAL doctrines.

How old are you?? It's sad that you don't understand the difference . . .

guess this is a big difference between us, i only look at facts and the end result. if my family was being persecuted by people told to do so from their church, i could care less if the orders were "official doctrine". "official" just means one group makes a declaration, and another group calls it official. it does not mean an angel from heaven came down and gave a divine command from the Most High.

In the cases of Bruno and Galileo - the fact that both guys espoused heliocentrism during the same period - and only ONE of them was executed should have been your FIRST clue.
This shows ANYBODY with the intellect of an artichoke that their cases really had nothing in common.

and dont forget the guy that didnt get murdered had the rich friends who the church owed money to!

You don't love history.
You pnly love YOUR perverted view of it . . .

you can call it every ugly name you like, its still not going to change it.

 

[Phoneman777]

What is your point?

Catholics and Adventists do not agree in the imminent second coming of Christ?

Ad·vent·ist

1. a member of any of various Christian sects emphasizing belief in the imminent second coming of Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

Aspen has a lot to learn. It was the SDA church to first adopt as a core belief and teaching that Christ's return was soon, not a thousand years away, as all other mainline churches taught at the time. He also needs to understand that in identifying the papacy as Antichrist, that in no way is a condemnation of sincere catholics who have been misled - it's an indictment of papal leadership for their blasphemous doctrines which are inspired by the enemy of souls.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Wrong is wrong. It doesn't become right by pointing out the flaws of an opposing side. You are hoping to take the heat off by doing just that yet in doing so you reinforce your MO of denial which it seems you are oblivious to. Others however see it as self evident.

Not at all.

I fully acknowledge what happened in the Catholic Church. I was simply exposing the complete hypocrisy of your fellow anti-Catholic as he points fingers at the Catholic Church for sins that HIS sect is guilty of.

Utter hypocrisy . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Seems along with you not taking responsibility for Catholic Priests ;
You also do not take responsibility for your membership in your Catholic Cult, Or your Anti-Protestantism.

And BTW, how many Sins per Day would you say you average?

Glory to God,
Taken

Probably almost as many as YOU . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Aspen has a lot to learn. It was the SDA church to first adopt as a core belief and teaching that Christ's return was soon, not a thousand years away, as all other mainline churches taught at the time. He also needs to understand that in identifying the papacy as Antichrist, that in no way is a condemnation of sincere catholics who have been misled - it's an indictment of papal leadership for their blasphemous doctrines which are inspired by the enemy of souls.

Yup.
In fact - that's HOW the SDA cult was born - through FALSE prophecy.

If it hadn't been for William Miller and Ellen White's false predictions of Christ's "imminent" return" - you guys probably wouldn't exist.
Any "Great Disappointments" lately??

 

[BreadOfLife]

guess this is a big difference between us, i only look at facts and the end result. if my family was being persecuted by people told to do so from their church, i could care less if the orders were "official doctrine". "official" just means one group makes a declaration, and another group calls it official. it does not mean an angel from heaven came down and gave a divine command from the Most High.

and dont forget the guy that didnt get murdered had the rich friends who the church owed money to!
you can call it every ugly name you like, its still not going to change it.

YOUR problem - as is the case with most anti-Catholics - is that you're ignorant of history.
You only know the parts you've cherry-picked - like you cherry-pick Scripture.

You have absolutely no idea about the facts surrounding the cases of Galileo or Bruno. You only know what you're read on anti-Catholic internet sites instead of REAL history. Do yourself a favor, sparky - get off the internet, crack open a history book for a change and get the real story . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Dead Bread, the SDA church doesn't enable freaks. We disfellowship them and turn them over to the police, if necessary. Sure, there might be an isolated case here or there, seeing that next to catholicism, we are the only other global Christian denomination, just as Revelation depicts God's pure woman and also the Whore of Babylon, which is catholicism. But, to condemn the SDA church as being guilty of what the papacy is guilty is just plain stupid and dishonest.
As stated several times, if child rape were an Olympic event, the papacy would win the gold, silver, and bronze before the rest of us failed to even qualify.

Ummmmmmm, NOT according to the national statistics.

I suggest you do some actual homework on the subject and see what the national numbers are REALLY like.
You might want to read a book called Pedophiles and Priests by Protestant author Philip Jenkins, who explains that the problem is FAR WORSE among the Protestant denominations and public schools.

The problem is - they are too many 'little targets", and the Lawyers only wanted to go after the "big kid" on the block.
In short - there's not enough money in it for the lawyers. Einstein.

And the band plays on . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

All of them. Why should another child suffer the kind of unspeakable trauma which rape brings because adult men won't plead with God to change their vile thoughts. Problem is, since experts like Dr. Richard Sipe have found based on over thirty years of research that "SIX PERCENT of all catholic priests act out sexually with minors", what is the papacy going to do about all those vacancies?

Gee - I thought you said they were ALL pedophiles??
Did you LIE again??

Oh - and the percentage is more like 1% of credible accusations - not 6%.

The fact is that according to the Child Molestation Research & Prevention Institute - the majority of child molesters are are MARRIED MEN - not priests: http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pages/tell_others_the_facts.html

Do your HOMEWORK . . .

 

[jaybird]

YOUR problem - as is the case with most anti-Catholics - is that you're ignorant of history.

now im anti Catholic, my first post on this anti Catholic thread was about non Catholics have just as many issues as Catholics. my family is Apache/Italian so there are many Catholics in the family. when you see a big money mega church on tv its always a non Catholic church. my issue is with the corrupt leaders that are in every church.

You only know the parts you've cherry-picked - like you cherry-pick Scripture.

i didnt cherry pick anything, i took one scripture and gave my opinion. what i didnt do is proclaim the scripture to have a specific meaning that backed up my opinion and claim any other opinion outside my own thoughts is heresy. as if im the final authority on all scripture which would sound very arrogant.

You have absolutely no idea about the facts surrounding the cases of Galileo or Bruno. You only know what you're read on anti-Catholic internet sites instead of REAL history. Do yourself a favor, sparky - get off the internet, crack open a history book for a change and get the real story . . .

i wasnt present at the trial so no i do not know all the details, i can only go by what i read.
im not out on antiCatholic sites. i think there are bad apples in all of them. if we dont acknowledge the wrong doing and face it like gentlemen how will we ever improve ourselves. i have never been a believer in patting myself on the back and telling everyone what a great example i am to other Christians.
the doctrine of discovery can be laid at the feet of protestants if it makes you feel better.
who is sparky?
get off the net? if its on the net it must be false? pick a history book, any history book and i can find it online, i can go to youtube, find most any university and watch a 2 hr lecture on any academic subject of my choice. i have dead sea scrolls and Nag Hammadi translations on my PC that were downloaded from the net, without the net poor working country folks like me would never get a chance to have such knowledge.
edit - any time you see me use terms like "rome" usually in a bad way, rome means roman empire, not the Catholic church. i am very much anti roman empire. Catholics i dont have an issue with. same thing with "Pharisees" to me this means corrupt Jewish leaders not the entire school of thought.

 

[aspen]

When a pedophile justifies his/her course of action, when that course of action hamstrings its victims, when this goes on for centuries, is it out of order to ring alarm bells loud and clear again and again? I would think not.
If most don't hear does not mean that some won't hear neither is it a reason to stop the warning.

When sickness is entrenched in the system it is the obligation of the healthy to counter.
Will 'boring' or other put down accusations make them so....I think not. And is it really thought that scapegoating is done for the sake of scapegoating when guilt has near reached a full cup??

Hmm....

How about when pedophilia is ignored in every corner except the Catholic Church? I just trip over the beam in the eye of Protestantism

 

[Taken]

So, the other nine commandments require no redefining, but that Sabbath commandment does?

Hi phoneman777

I have a full day of things to do outside today.
Will try to respond to your question this evening or tomorrow.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Probably almost as many as YOU . . .

So you commit SIN Daily?

I was at one time in the Same boat you Are, Committing Sin daily...

But NOW, I commit Sin, No more...NOT Ever.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

So you commit SIN Daily?

I was at one time in the Same boat you Are, Committing Sin daily...

But NOW, I commit Sin, No more...NOT Ever.

Glory to God,
Taken

I've personally witnessed you sinning on this forum DOZENS of times.
Your hypocrisy knows NO bounds . . .

 

[aspen]

So you commit SIN Daily?

I was at one time in the Same boat you Are, Committing Sin daily...

But NOW, I commit Sin, No more...NOT Ever.

Glory to God,
Taken

You love perfectly?

 

[ScottA]

Hahaha...and on it goes:

The scripture only crowd against the hypocritical church leaders who claim they have authority after following the flesh instead of the spirit of God.

Both are wrong.