Well, from MY PERSPECTIVE, -- Paul wrote that he has a "
thorn in the flesh" which he asked GOD to remove three times, but GOD let Paul suffer with imperfections so that he would not become puffed up:
2 Cor. 12:5 5 On behalf of this man I will boast, but on my own behalf I will not boast, except of my weaknesses. 6 Though if I wish to boast, I shall not be a fool, for I shall be speaking the truth. But I refrain from it, so that no one may think more of me than he sees in me or hears from me. 7 And to keep me from being too elated by the abundance of revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan, to harass me, to keep me from being too elated. 8 Three times I besought the Lord about this, that it should leave me; 9 but he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” I will all the more gladly boast of my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
On this subject, it appears to me that
@BreadOfLife IS CORRECT in his premise, and no matter how someone might attempt to parse repentance and forgiveness, each of us still have temptations and still sin regardless of being "born again".
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@Taken, Post #158:
I have said; I sin NO MORE. And Yes, that became effective, AFTER being born again.
So unless someone has attained what GOD had already disallowed, no man can assert that he sins no more. And if he does, then he is certainly misguided/confused/doctrinally-misinformed/deluded/etc..
Bobby Jo
"IF" you are unaware...
BreadOfLife CLAIMED, FOR ME, that I said, I HAVE NO SIN...and referenced...1 John 1:8.
(1 John 1:8)
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8a] If we say that we have no sin,
Paraphrasing...
You asked BOL for his evidence.
BOL gave you an answer saying IN THE FUTURE he would give that information.
I have asked BOL repeatedly to PROVE ONE QUOTE OF ANYONE SAYING
"they have no sin"...
Guess HOW MANY TIMES BOL has DONE the RIGHT THING, and PROVIDED ONE QUOTE OF "ANYONE", claiming,
they have no sin ?...
ANSWER....
ZERO TIMES
POINT BEING ~
BOL, BY His SPEAKING FOR ME...made the CLAIM, THAT I said, "I HAVE no sin"...
BOL, NOT ONCE, in numerous post, provided ME SAYING ANY SUCH THING....
BUT HAS ALSO Repeatedly QUOTED...
1 John 1:8 b...
1 John 1:8 b
...we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
AND BASED ON WHAT BOL SAID "FOR ME," then SAYS "TO ME"...based on 1 John 1:8b,
That I AM deceived, and the Truth is not in me.
SO YOU DECIDE....WHERE has BOL ONCE quoted me SAYING, CLAIMING, TEACHING...
That "I HAVE NO SIN"?
HE CAN'T.....because it is a LIE!
He told YOU, "in the future", he would give you a reference to your question.
It's the future...
Why not ASK BOL, "IF" he claimed...
"I SAID, "I HAVE" no SIN.
And SEE "IF" he has "ONE QUOTE OF MY OWN WORDS, MAKING THAT CLAIM".
You quoted PAUL, who is speaking of his FRUSTRATION of "HAVING SIN" in his BODY.
Not committing SIN...but rather..Having SIN in his BODY.
Anyone with a ounce of Biblical Knowledge, KNOWS, a man NATURALLY BORN IN SIN, WILL "HAVE SIN" ...... SIN "IN" his NATURAL BODY (whether his BODY is physically ALIVE or physically DEAD).....
UNTIL the DAY, his body is RAISED IN GLORY.
I have been a DAILY student of the Bible for quite some time...and have NEVER made such a totally IGNORANT CLAIM, that I have no sin...
I am fully aware, MY Lord God has FORGIVEN ALL of my SINS.
I am fully aware, MY Lord God has COVERED ALL of my SINS.
I am fully aware, MY Lord God has COVERED ALL of my SINS, "IN ME", with HIS Spirit, which IS LIGHT.
I am fully aware, MY Lord God HIS LIGHT IS Supreme, and OVERTAKES, ALL DARKNESS of SIN.
I am Fully aware, MY Lord God NO LONGER SEES the Darkness of Sin, "IN MY BODY".
I am fully aware, MY Lord God Remembers MY SINS NO MORE.
I am fully aware, MY Lord God has GIVEN ME HIS SEED, and has REBORN ME, "OF HIM"..
Perhaps you are like BOL, and believes, Gods SEED "BIRTHS" SINNERS?
Only you can answer that.
Paul's frustration was KNOWING SIN WAS STILL IN HIM and would be Until his body was glorified...
Paul was asking for the Lord to REMOVE his SIN FROM his BODY...
The LESSON to be Learned is; We all have to CARRY the SIN OF our FLESH, IN OUR Flesh, until our bodies are glorifed.
Like BOL, one can DWELL on their body having SIN IN IT....
Or Like me, one can BE assured and thankful My Lord God has COVERED my SIN, IN MY BODY, with HIS LIGHT, and He Remembers my sin no more, AND already has a DAY of HIS CHOOSING, to glorify my BODY, that with patience, I WAIT FOR.
Glory to God,
Taken