BreadOfLife ~ UNPROVEN CLAIMS..

[Bobby Jo]

... To be very honest here, @Taken @Bobby Jo ...I do not even 'think' of sin daily....

Hi ByGrace,
Just so we know, it's not ALWAYS about "thinking" about "sin" (commission), sometimes it's NOT thinking about responsibilities (OMISSION).

And it may not be hourly, daily, or whatever, but when we need to repent for what we've either done or not done, WE NEED TO REPENT. We CANNOT assert that because we were "born again" that we do not sin. To do that is to ignore the TRUTH of Scripture, and fall into cult theology.

With Very Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

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... the rest of the scriptures that say that "no more" are we under a "fallen nature." Which, your saying so, is against ...

... a cult theology.

Bobby Jo


To All,

I know where this crazy "theology" comes from, and it ain't Scripture. BUT, if it WERE TRUE, then PAUL would not have had to confront PETER for his hypocrisy, BECAUSE PETER WAS ALREADY BORN AGAIN and obviously couldn't have "sinned" -- or so their CRAZY THEOLOGY goes!

Among others...

Whew,
Bobby Jo

 

[Helen]

And it may not be hourly, daily, or whatever, but when we need to repent for what we've either done or not done, WE NEED TO REPENT. We CANNOT assert that because we were "born again" that we do not sin. To do that is to ignore the TRUTH of Scripture, and fall into cult theology.

I'm not disagreeing...I am just saying that if we , all these years later, are still needing to do so much 'repenting' and confessing, then we are still babes and not coming to the full stature of Christ....

Time for the Church to grow UP!!!

Heb 6 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,..."

Heb 12 "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,"

Time to grow up!

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Time for the Church to grow UP!!!

Grow UP and own UP! -- But that takes MATURITY, and it's too hard ...

With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

 

[Taken]

Explain to me –

Already did! The Flesh of a Converted man is NOT CHANGED, NOT GLORIFIED, until that BODY is RAISED IN GLORY. That hasn't happened YET.

with Scripture - HOW your flesh still has sin in it when you have been forgiven of ALL of your sins and you are no longer capable of sinning.

1 Cor 15
[53] For this corruptable must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Romans 7 and 1 John 1 CLEARLY show that although we were are forgiven of past sins – we STILL sin because we are IN the flesh. We are not OF the flesh.

YOUR problem is that you don’t know the difference . . .

I don't have a problem.
You are the one who says you SIN, because you are IN your flesh,

But the TRUTH is ALL men in their natural flesh have Temptations all around them...

Apparently your weakness is to acquiesce to your temptations.

Sorry you don't have the Power of God within you to keep you free from your temptations and commission of sin.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Because, Helen – although we strive to ALWAYS walk in the light – we sometimes stumble. And when we fail God – we must repent and ask Him for forgiveness for falling short. We don’t always walk in the light because we are flawed human beings who are BEING perfected.

We ain’t perfect YET . . .

LOL ~

You talk alot about SIN. Especially you like to wag your tongue, point your finger, dictating to this person and that person YOU have decided THEY committed a SIN.

ACCORDING TO WHAT?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

We CANNOT assert that because we were "born again" that we do not sin.

Maybe YOU CANNOT...however a Converted man WHO TRUSTS the WORD OF GOD ABSOLUTELY can Assert that because they are "born again" "THEY" do not sin (any more).

1 John 3:9
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

To do that is to ignore the TRUTH of Scripture, and fall into cult theology.

Absolutely AGAINST what the WORD of God says.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Phoneman777]

Okay, maybe you had a late night and are a bit slow today. Let me elaborate. You said not long ago that the Catholic church uses scripture to uphold their doctrines.

1. I said that your post reminds me of @Phoneman777 's original post, yes, in another thread, the church the papacy wants you to join... Remember that thread? So, find that thread then come back to me and explain again how all your doctrines are supported by scripture, because BoL, Phonemans post proves that claim to be hogwash.

I find it hilarious that a papist claims the catholic church uses Scripture to uphold their doctrines when that very system claims to be "above the Bible" LOL

 

[Bobby Jo]

Absolutely AGAINST what ...

... cult theology says!

Bobby Jo

 

[BreadOfLife]

I was editing my post when you posted...I added a bit.

I agree with your post...yet I have to say again... IF we are always needing to confess...then there is something wrong...we need to ask ourselves WHY we stepped out of the Light... a mature Follower will not always be tripping and falling...

Darn, this post posted itself before I was finished... again...

A mature follower admits that he trips and is on constant need of God's grace.
We strive to please God by serving Him - but sometimes we fall short or fail altogether.

 

[BreadOfLife]

2 Corinthians 5
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Romans 7
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

We've been recreated, new creatures, everything new, nothing of the old.

The flesh remains hopelessly corrupt.

But we are no longer our flesh, we are God's spirit children, indwelling these vile bodies.

Sanctification is the process of growing in control over these bodies so that they do the will of God, not serve their own lusts. But we are not our bodies.

Much love!

The verses you supplied PROVE my point.

They do not state that we no longer are capable of sinning - especially Rom. 7.
They point out our limitations and weaknesses of being in the flesh.

 

[BreadOfLife]

If any of that were true (and it is not) you would not have countered with your own scripture against scripture, you would have reconciled them. But you did not, nor can you, because you have already contradicted the other scriptures.

And you continue to disregard the rest of the scriptures that say that "no more" are we under a "fallen nature." Which, your saying so, is against Christ.

It's NOT true that Christians have a refuge in Christ??
You're dead wrong about that and everyyhing else.

The Scripture, when read in CONTEXT - warn born again Christians about falling away and losing their security (Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).
Scriptural context, however, is something you jettisoned when you started inventing your aberrant doctrines.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It is you who is out of context and mixing the words written to those who sin with those who do not sin.

But the truth is not me speaking...as it is written. You call the Holy Spirit "arrogant." Wouldn't want to be you.

No - I call YOU arrogant.
The Holy Spirit had nothing to do with your theological perversions . . .

 

[Taken]

The verses you supplied PROVE my point.

They do not state that we no longer are capable of sinning - especially Rom. 7.
They point out our limitations and weaknesses of being in the flesh.

What you keep identifying as a SIN, is precepts between men.

DO YOU "forgive" men OF committing "sin""AGAINST" you?

And IFY...Scripture DOES SAY, a man born of God Does not Sin....and SAYS WHY!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

... cult theology says!

Bobby Jo

 

[BreadOfLife]

Already did! The Flesh of a Converted man is NOT CHANGED, NOT GLORIFIED, until that BODY is RAISED IN GLORY. That hasn't happened YET.

1 Cor 15
[53] For this corruptable must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Yup - that's what we strive for - but stumble in our human weakness. That's what Paul was trying to explain to the Romans - and YOU, if you would just be willing to listen (Rom. 7:13-25).

I don't have a problem.
You are the one who says you SIN, because you are IN your flesh,
But the TRUTH is ALL men in their natural flesh have Temptations all around them...
Apparently your weakness is to acquiesce to your temptations.
Sorry you don't have the Power of God within you to keep you free from your temptations and commission of sin.

Glory to God,
Taken

And to anybody who just read that - your problem is MORE than evident . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

What you keep identifying as a SIN, is precepts between men.

DO YOU "forgiven" men OF committing "AGAINST" you?

And IFY...Scripture DOES SAY, a man born of God Does not Sin....and SAYS WHY!

Glory to God,
Taken

In context - it says that he doesn't live a life of willful sin.
But YOU don't understand Scriptural context.

 

[Philip James]

A mature follower admits that he trips and is on constant need of God's grace.
We strive to please God by serving Him - but sometimes we fall short or fail altogether.

Hello BreadOfLife,

'The struggle is the sign of holiness. A saint is a sinner that keeps trying'
-St Josemaria Escriva

Peace be with you!

 

[Philip James]

DO YOU "forgiven" men OF committing "AGAINST" you?

Hello Taken,
If we don't, we're in trouble...

'forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us'

Peace be with you!

 

[Taken]

Hello Taken,
If we don't, we're in trouble...

'forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us'

Peace be with you!

I corrected my comment. The point was sin not trespass.

I agree men trespass against men and men are taught in Scripture to forgive their brothers of trespasses.

Glory to God,
Taken