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And you conveniently left out the part where you say that you DON'T sin anymore and that you CAN'T sin.
That is in Scripture and applies to a man born of God that you have been shown and given the Scriptural quote numerous times and deny.

That applies to me because I HAVE Gods SEED, and am born of God...and Sin no more.

Got it it...and Agree THAT does not Apply to You

Soooooooo, by claiming that ALL of your sins are forgiven and forgotten by God - and that you DON'T and CAN'T sin anymore -

Correct, that is what "I" Said.

are saying that you are SIN-FREE.

No Dunce...That Is What "YOU" are Saying.

1 John 1:8 says that you are lying and that the truth is NOT in you.

Dunce, you are responding with a Scripture to What You Said.

are saying that you are SIN-FREE.

GOD'S words - not mine . . .

Sooooo now you think you are God...?

You should let your holy father the pope in on your news. LOL

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Read post #295 . . .

Read ANY of your posts and wonder why you bother posting when you do the talking "For" you and everyone else...

It's called: Conversational narcissism with psychopathic tendencies.

Seek Help.

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BreadOfLife -

16 pages in this Thread... and Still you have NOT Quoted One Person Saying "What You Have Claimed FOR them."

Your words REMAIN "Unverifiable" and False.

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Your Failure is to NOT Comprehend the Difference Between...

HAVING Sin...
And COMMITTING Sin...

TO HAVE Sin...is to POSSESS Sin.

ANY man WHO believes the Word of God, knows the NATURAL BORN FLESH IS SIN, Condemned to DEATH, and SHALL DIE.

Anyone with minor intelligence knows IF A PERSON is STILL LIVING, So is his FLESH, and So does that person "HAVE SIN".

1 John 8 is speaking EXPRESSLY about a man who claims TO NOT "HAVE" SIN.

YOU claim that Scripture APPLIES TO "ALL"...
No it doesn't! It ONLY APPLIES to A MAN WHO CLAIMS to "HAVE" no sin.

I Never claimed such a STUPID thing.

BUT YOU, a self-proclaimed teacher HAVE Dozens of times MADE THAT CLAIM FOR ME...
A FLAT OUT LIE, that you could NEVER prove, or ONCE show me SAYING SUCH A STUPID thing.

Then YOU claimed another FLAT OUT LIE.
YOU Claimed the "CONSEQUENCE" for MAKING such a CLAIM APPLIED to me, BY YOU SAYING....the truth is not in me.

WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE making up LIES and DICTATING YOUR LIES are what an other said, when the other said NO SUCH THING?

WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE Prouncing Judgement upon other FOR "YOUR LIES'?

COMMITTING SIN...is NOT the same as HAVING SIN. Every natural born person Living with Flesh draped over their Bones HAS SIN...

COMMITTING SIN...is carrying out an act, AGAINST GOD...

UNLESS you are a JEW, Under the Law...or a Catholic who THINKS "A" mans bad ACTS toward another man AND "A" mans ACTS bad toward God ARE EQUALLY the SAME. . THey Aren't!

I am NOT a JEW, "under the Law".
I am NOT a GENTILE, "under Jewish Law".

Jesus Fulfilled "the Law".
Jesus DID NOT DESTROY the Law.
Many Jews Continue "UNDER THE LAW".
And Jewish LAW, HAS bad behaviors OF men TOWARD other men, and Toward God, CALLED SIN.

YOU SPOUT off, wagging your tongue and Pointing your finger....PROCLAIMING YOU were born again, AND that YOU CONTINUE TO COMMIT SIN.

THEN you have the audacity TO MAKE that claim FOR EVERYONE ELSE.....EVEN the Apostles!

Men may TRESPASS AGAINST other men, LIE, CHEAT, DEFRAUD, DECEIVE, etc...
AND WHAT...?
Run to some other man (Priest) and say....ohh ohh, father forgive me....boo hoo,
"I have commited a SIN AGAINST my neighbor, boss, friend, spouse, whatever?"

That would be dandy....
IF...you were a JEW...
IF...you went to a Jewish Priest...to TAKE the PUNISHMENT, outlined in JEWISH LAW!

JESUS' Revelation CHANGED ALL THAT.
Jesus Fulfilled the LAW, that I WAS NEVER UNDER.
Jesus OFFERED ME, FORGIVENESS OF MY FLESH SIN, FOR having NOT BELIEVED IN GOD, FOR having NOT BELIEVED IN JESUS.

ALONG with HIS FORGIVENESS...He offered me GIFTS "FOR" making a "Heartfelt VOW of Commitment to BELIEF IN God IN Jesus"...

I made MY CHOICE, and have MADE MY CHOICE EXPRESSLY CLEAR, that I hearfully CHOSE to ACCEPT Jesus' OFFER.

ACCEPTING OF HIS OFFER, INCLUDES receiving Gods SEED and the Lords Spirit.

Gods SEED has birthed me a NEW spirit....MY FLESH is Accounted IN GODS RECORDS...AS DEAD...Crucified with Christ.

YOUR ACCOUNTING IS "IRRELEVANT"!

I am according to Gods WORD...BORN OF GOD.

A man according to Gods WORD....CAN NOT EVER "AGAIN" SIN AGAINST GOD.

I am not a Jew, who under Jewish Law Sins AGAINST men.

I am not a Catholic, who teaches MEN sin AGAINST MEN.

I do not run to a cleric, call him father, and ask HIM to forgive me for A TRESPASS I may have "COMMITTED" against another person!

Scripture EXPRESSLY teaches, TO GO TO THE ONE YOU TRESPASSED AGAINST and ASK THEM FOR FORGIVENESS of YOUR TRESPASS!

Scripture EXPRESSLY teaches to FORGIVE a brother WHO ASKS for FORGIVENESS for trespassing AGAINST you.

Sin IS AGAINST God.

And a MAN BORN of God, CAN NEVER "AGAIN" COMMIT SIN AGAINST God.

I know my own choices, I have made.
I TRUST the Lord has MADE my spirit BORN AGAIN of Gods SEED.

And Scripture EXPRESSLY notifies me...
A man BORN OF GOD, can NOT SIN, can NOT COMMIT SIN.

But because YOU are taught and YOU dwell on and YOU teach SIN SIN SIN....is all about behavior between men....you ALLOW your Wicked tongue to go wild yipping like a wild beast that YOU Proclaim EVERYONE continues to "COMMIT" SIN.

NO THEY DO NOT....and Scripture EXPRESSLY SAYS SO.

1 John 3:9
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You being taught a LIE, and Teaching a LIE, and Calling everyone else a Liar....doesn't make you Honest.

I have SAID FLAT OUT..."I SIN....NO MORE"...
THERE IS NOTHING that can MAKE ME,,,DENY thee Lord God....EVER AGAIN.

"IF" you don't believe that....
"IF" you don't LIKE that....

WHO CARES? NOTHING whatsoever instructed me to Follow YOU, believe IN YOU, Do what YOU do....NOR DO I.

So get it straight...Go back to pre-school and learn the difference between HAVING and COMMITTING. And at least TRY to show some effort that even an elementary student can do by NOT SPEAKING LIES "FOR" other people.

Your deceptive tactics are old and boring ... and do nothing to Glorify God.

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Wrong again.

In Romans 7:13-25, Paul talks about DOING that which he does not want to do (SIN).
He doesn’t blame his flesh -= he accepts the fact that because he is IN the flesh that he commits sin.

There is NO differentiation between your bizarre comparison of “having” sin and “committing” sin.
When you read 1 John 1:8 in CONTEXT with Romans instead of cherry-picking, like you’re used to doing – you understand what they’re talking about.
 

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BreadOfLife -

16 pages in this Thread... and Still you have NOT Quoted One Person Saying "What You Have Claimed FOR them."

Your words REMAIN "Unverifiable" and False.

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Wrong.
I quoted YOU.
 

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Wrong again.

In Romans 7:13-25, Paul talks about DOING that which he does not want to do (SIN).
He doesn’t blame his flesh -= he accepts the fact that because he is IN the flesh that he commits sin.

There is NO differentiation between your bizarre comparison of “having” sin and “committing” sin.
When you read 1 John 1:8 in CONTEXT with Romans instead of cherry-picking, like you’re used to doing – you understand what they’re talking about.

LOL -

Pauls words say...

[15] For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

[17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

And BOL's words say..."FOR PAUL"...Paul was COMMITTING SIN, when Paul says no such thing!

You CAN NOT COMPREHEND the DIFFERENCE between HAVING SIN, and COMMITTING SIN.

You are QUICK to go beyond WHAT YOU BELIEVE, "and" DICTATE if men DO NOT BELIEVE AS YOU DO...THEY ARE WRONG, and COMMITTING SIN.

And your teaching and accusations are but FOLLY of the Foolish.

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Wrong.
I quoted YOU.

LIE. Not once have you quoted me claiming to HAVE NO SIN...

Even one with MINOR intelligence, can clearly read you have specifically claimed, I claimed, to HAVE NO SIN....yet now you LIE about have quoted me saying that.

Your're stuck in a LIE and have deflected and changed the subject and now lie AGAIN...

Man up. You have made a FALSE Accusation.

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LOL -

Pauls words say...

[15] For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

[17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

And BOL's words say..."FOR PAUL"...Paul was COMMITTING SIN, when Paul says no such thing!

You CAN NOT COMPREHEND the DIFFERENCE between HAVING SIN, and COMMITTING SIN.

You are QUICK to go beyond WHAT YOU BELIEVE, "and" DICTATE if men DO NOT BELIEVE AS YOU DO...THEY ARE WRONG, and COMMITTING SIN.

And your teaching and accusations are but FOLLY of the Foolish.

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Paul is absolutely saying that he is sinning.

He is born again if Christ spiritually. He is saying that it is not his spiritually reborn self but his fleshly self who is sinning.

He is talking about DOINGT that which he does not want to DO.
His body can’t DO sin without his will, Einstein.

He is NOT saying that he doesn‘t sin . . .
 

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LIE. Not once have you quoted me claiming to HAVE NO SIN...

Even one with MINOR intelligence, can clearly read you have specifically claimed, I claimed, to HAVE NO SIN....yet now you LIE about have quoted me saying that.

Your're stuck in a LIE and have deflected and changed the subject and now lie AGAIN...

Man up. You have made a FALSE Accusation.

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WRONG.

We’ve already established that if you are forgiven of ALL of your past sins and you are incapable of sinning in the future – which YOU have claimed – then you are SIN-FREE.

1 John 1:8 says that the truth is NOT in you.
Therefore – my claims about you are 100% TRUE . . .
 

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Paul is absolutely saying that he is sinning.

LOL Except Paul never says that he was Committing Sin. [/QUOTE]

As a LIFE long catholic YOU have been taught to Speak FOR Paul, and everyone else, making claims others have NOT MADE.

Congrats, catholic brainwashing has had a successful effect on you!

UGH!

He is talking about DOINGT that which he does not want to DO.
His body can’t DO sin without his will, Einstein.

LOL Dunce... maybe his Carnal Flesh Mind had a sexual thought about some beautiful woman he saw...

He is NOT saying that he doesn‘t sin . . .

Nice try to deflect! But a fail. He never said he was committing a sin...He has Catholics Like You to make false claims For Him!

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Nope.

We’ve already established that if you are forgiven of ALL of your past sins and you are incapable of sinning in the future – which YOU have claimed –

That which SCRIPTURE establishes for a man IN Christ, applies to me.

then you are SIN-FREE.

Scripture says no such thing.
I said no such thing.

That is YOUR CLAIM...

You can not help yourself after years of catholic training, that YOU say what Scripture does not say, and then FALSELY claim it is what other people have SAID.

And NOT ONCE can you quote anyone saying the LIES you have claimed for them...

1 John 1:8
says that the truth is NOT in you.
Therefore – my claims about you are 100% TRUE . . .

You are the WORST kind of Liar and DECEIVER. And NOT ONCE have you quoted me or even PAUL making the Lying Claims YOU have made FOR us.

Poor thing...you should put away your nonsense and Learn to trust the Truth instead of your Deceptive MIND.

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Marymog - BreadOfLife

Rev 22
[15] For without are ... whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

You both maketh LIES and appear to love your LIES as you both show no shame or remorse, but rather repeat your LIES over and over.

Oops for you.

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LOL Except Paul never says that he was Committing Sin.

As a LIFE long catholic YOU have been taught to Speak FOR Paul, and everyone else, making claims others have NOT MADE.

Congrats, catholic brainwashing has had a successful effect on you!
UGH!
LOL Dunce... maybe his Carnal Flesh Mind had a sexual thought about some beautiful woman he saw...

Nice try to deflect! But a fail. He never said he was committing a sin...He has Catholics Like You to make false claims For Him!
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This is perhaps THE most asinine statement you’ve made so far in this debate.

Paul’s MIND sinned – but Paul didn’t?? What kind of nonsense is that?? Christ taught that a man who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery (Matt. 5:28).
In case you forgot - adultery is a SIN.

Roman 7 is an admission from Paul that he STILL sins, despite his changed heart.
He – unlike YOU, admits that in his fleshly state, he is still susceptible to sinning.

In your arrogance – YOU have abandoned the truth of Scripture and have placed yourself above it.

Good luck with that . . .
 
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Nope.

That which SCRIPTURE establishes for a man IN Christ, applies to me.

Scripture says no such thing.
I said no such thing.

That is YOUR CLAIM...

You can not help yourself after years of catholic training, that YOU say what Scripture does not say, and then FALSELY claim it is what other people have SAID.

And NOT ONCE can you quote anyone saying the LIES you have claimed for them...

You are the WORST kind of Liar and DECEIVER. And NOT ONCE have you quoted me or even PAUL making the Lying Claims YOU have made FOR us.

Poor thing...you should put away your nonsense and Learn to trust the Truth instead of your Deceptive MIND.

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You can play all of the semantic word games you want – but you’re STILL wrong.

The flesh doesn’t sin on its own without the will. There is nothing sinful about the flesh without the will. The flesh is subject to sin – it is NOT sin itself.
If the flesh was sin, as YOU claim it is – then Christ had sin – and that is heresy.

If YOU claim to have have been forgiven and you no longer sin – then you are SIN-FREE.
1 John 1:8 says you are lying and the truth is NOT in you.
 

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Rev 22
[15] For without are ... whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

You both maketh LIES and appear to love your LIES as you both show no shame or remorse, but rather repeat your LIES over and over.

Oops for you.

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I have simply pointed out the truth of Scripture as it pertains to your false claims about yourself.
You’re just another sinner living in denial.

If that bothers you – take it up with GOD – it’s HIS word, not mine . . .
 

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There is NO differentiation between your bizarre comparison of “having” sin and “committing” sin.

LOL amazing the lengths you go to to prove yourself a reprobate.

When you read 1 John 1:8 in CONTEXT

The CONTEXT of 1 John 1:8 is Clear...
"If we say we HAVE no SIN"...

And WHO has Made that claim....only you.

Anyone with the basic Knowledge of the TRUE WORD of God, would know all human men are naturally Born with natural Flesh Sin!

Also you repeatedly Claim to COMMIT SIN...

1 John 3:8
[8] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

You were suspect...but you reveal what applies to you...and I agree.
Thanks for verifying WHO you are OF.

:( Poor thing.

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This is perhaps THE most asinine statement you’ve made so far in this debate.

Paul’s MIND sinned – but Paul didn’t?? What kind of nonsense is that?? Christ taught that a man who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery (Matt. 5:28).
In case you forgot - adultery is a SIN

Matt 5 is Jesus speaking to JEWS...
In case you forgot, Jesus came to SEEK the Lost Jews.
In case you forgot, adultry is the SIN of AGREEING to FOLLOW the Lord and then REJECTING HIM.

Not so much that I think you forgot, but rather your UNDERSTANDING of Scripture is ALWAYS Carnally Minded.

Too bad you did not learn the Carnal Mind is AGAINST God.


is an admission from Paul that he STILL sins, despite his changed heart.

LOL...Paul said no such thing. That is YOUR Lying claims.

He – unlike YOU, admits that in his fleshly state,

Another Lie.

he is still susceptible to sinning.

SINNING is the COMMISSION of SIN.

A man BORN OF GOD, still HAS FLESH SIN, and YET is FORGIVEN ALL of His SINS AGAINST GOD.

You are CLEAR, YOU preach men with the SPIRIT of God IN THEM, CONTINUE to SIN AGAINST GOD...

LOL...well la de da....what a load of garbage to preach the Spirit of God WITHIN a man, has not ENOUGH POWER to KEEP a man FREE FROM COMMITTING SIN.

The FACT IS men WITHOUT the Spirit of God IN THEM...CONTINUE TO COMMIT SIN AGAINST GOD...and they are OF the devil...


And YOUR TESTIMONY IS...YOU continue to Commit SIN...

In your arrogance – YOU have abandoned the truth of Scripture and have placed yourself above it.

In your arrogance, you can not abandon what you never Knew.

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Matt 5 is Jesus speaking to JEWS...
In case you forgot, Jesus came to SEEK the Lost Jews.
In case you forgot, adultry is the SIN of AGREEING to FOLLOW the Lord and then REJECTING HIM.

Not so much that I think you forgot, but rather your UNDERSTANDING of Scripture is ALWAYS Carnally Minded.

Too bad you did not learn the Carnal Mind is AGAINST God


LOL...Paul said no such thing. That is YOUR Lying claims.
Another Lie.
SINNING is the COMMISSION of SIN.
A man BORN OF GOD, still HAS FLESH SIN, and YET is FORGIVEN ALL of His SINS AGAINST GOD.
You are CLEAR, YOU preach men with the SPIRIT of God IN THEM, CONTINUE to SIN AGAINST GOD...

LOL...well la de da....what a load of garbage to preach the Spirit of God WITHIN a man, has not ENOUGH POWER to KEEP a man FREE FROM COMMITTING SIN.

The FACT IS men WITHOUT the Spirit of God IN THEM...CONTINUE TO COMMIT SIN AGAINST GOD...and they are OF the devil...
And YOUR TESTIMONY IS...YOU continue to Commit SIN...
In your arrogance, you can not abandon what you never Knew.

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Soooo, YOU believe that the flesh itself is sin??

Tell me then – did Christ have sin? He had flesh, so did He have SIN??

There goes your entire argument . . .
 
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The flesh doesn’t sin on its own without the will. There is nothing sinful about the flesh without the will.

Good grief your ignorance is astounding.

THE FLESH IS SIN....duh!

Psalms 51
[5] Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

The flesh is subject to sin – it is NOT sin itself.

LOL

IF the flesh was sin, as YOU claim it is then Christ had sin –

LOL...what a dunce. HUMAN FLESH, created from the DUST OF THE EARTH is SIN...

YOUR "IF" "THEN" is YOU trying to REWRITE Scripture. There is NOTHING in Scripture that says what you say.

Christ Jesus CAME FORTH OUT FROM GOD.
NOTHING whatsoever teaches JESUS WAS A HUMAN created of DUST! .LOL

John 1
[13] Which were born......of God.

John 16
[27] For the Father himself loveth you (me) because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

If YOU claim to have have been forgiven and you no longer sin – then you are SIN-FREE.

You make yourself look utterly foolish trying to rewrite Scripture. LOL...SIN-FREE is your whacky teaching, and NOT in Scripture, and no one has made that claim......BUT YOU...

1 John 1:8 says you are lying and the truth is NOT in you.

Your claim, your lie, not a big secret every time you open your yap, it is more than obvious Gods TRUTH is not in you....

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Soooo, YOU believe that the flesh itself is sin??

Tell me then – did Christ have sin? He had flesh, so did He have SIN??

There goes your entire argument . . .

LOL...


Scriptural TRUTH...
Jesus came forth out from God..
Scriptural TRUTH...
Human Men come forth out from Dust of the Earth...

Jesus' LIKENESS was that of a HUMAN MAN.

Obviously you do not Comprehend LIKENESS.

God Provides HUMAN MEN A WAY to be IN "GODS LIKENESS".

NEWSFLASH...Jesus was NOT a HUMAN...and HUMAN men are NOT thee Lord God...

Your trying to REWRITE Scripture is Laughable...but then I would suppose that was something you learned in your catholic upbringing...:(

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