Calvinism

[reformed1689]

So if it is present tense you are saying we are under the law?

No, what part of what I said says that? Nothing. You are really out of your league here because you get caught up on stuff that is not even relevant to the current conversation and somehow think it supports your position. Waste of time.

 

[Mjh29]

Again!
I understand your scriptures and also understand how people use them to form whatever they want to believe. There is no Christian cult out there that has not used the scriptures...they all use them. The Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of Christianity is part of understanding the scriptures. Satan knows the scriptures well....and he can influence people to form evil and slanderous beliefs. How many evil groups with Bible in hand have perverted the Spirit of Christ!

So... no can do?
CAN you refute the Scriptures provided? Or is raging your only weapon??

 

[Grailhunter]

Oh... so cults use Scripture! Which would explain why you're not a cult, right???

Look, we both know this does not disprove the Scriptures that I presented... are you going to deal with them or not? Yes or no please; I have no time for people who don't care about Scriptures.

You copy scriptures...am I going to say they are not in the Bible?
Cults use the scriptures against God.
Satan use the scriptures to slander God.
Satan is a schemer....a twister of scriptures
The anti-Christ that slanders the Word of God.

 

[Mjh29]

You copy scriptures...am I going to say they are not in the Bible?
Cults use the scriptures against God.
Satan use the scriptures to slander God.
Satan is a schemer....a twister of scriptures
The anti-Christ that slanders the Word of God.

But can you.... show me... where my interpretation... is wrong???

If you can't prove something wrong... why are you saying it is?

 

[Grailhunter]

But can you.... show me... where my interpretation... is wrong???

If you can't prove something wrong... why are you saying it is?

Your interpretation is from Hell. It stands against Christianity.
The fact that you will not tell the truth proves me right!
When does your god predestine people to Hell?
Cannot run from it.
And it gets worst from here if you want to continue.

 

[CharismaticLady]

No, what part of what I said says that? Nothing. You are really out of your league here because you get caught up on stuff that is not even relevant to the current conversation and somehow think it supports your position. Waste of time.

You are the one that relates to Scriptures about the unsaved, not me. And if you had read Romans 7:7-13 you would see it is talking about the Ten Commandments, verified by the commandment on coveting. Read it again, in fact read from Romans 7:7 through Romans 8:9, to see that Romans 8 frees us from Romans 7. Romans 8:2 The law of the Spirit of life in Christ frees us from the law of sin and death (Romans 7)

Now if you can't see it and it is still foolishness to you, read 1 Corinthians 2 about the unsaved natural man that cannot comprehend the things of the Spirit. Although, you won't be able to comprehend that either, so I hope someday you can learn the real meaning of the Word of God. But you'll have to give up Calvinism, and switch to holiness.

 

[Mjh29]

Your interpretation is from Hell. It stands against Christianity.
The fact that you will not tell the truth proves me right!
When does your god predestine people to Hell?
Cannot run from it.
And it gets worst from here if you want to continue.

So... I have to answer all of your questions, but you won't answer a single one of mine?

And God allows sinners to do exactly what they want to do; sin. He does not make us sin, we sin ourselves into heaven. He has the right to chose not to show grace to some; He IS God. Who does God owe salvation to??

 

[Waiting on him]

Your interpretation is from Hell. It stands against Christianity.
The fact that you will not tell the truth proves me right!
When does your god predestine people to Hell?
Cannot run from it.
And it gets worst from here if you want to continue.

Now we’re getting somewhere, so are you saying hell is within my brother here?

 

[Giuliano]

I don’t know if I’m a Calvin, but the thing I’m Having a hard time reconciling is Jesus clearly states He chose the twelve, and I’m certain He chose Paul, everyone accepts this and says God cannot change then they say I chose?

It's true he chose the twelve. Those twelve came into this world with a "predestined" purpose just as Jesus did. Some people are elect before being born. That however does not mean everyone who wasn't elect at birth has no hope. On the contrary, the elect come to the world to help Jesus convert the non-elect, to save sinners. God loves everyone -- God is not willing any should perish; and His elect know that and they're willing to come into this world and suffer and die to help others come to salvation. The suffering of the elect is worth it.

Why would God want His elect to suffer in this world if nothing could be changed, if only the elect could ever be saved, and no one else could be? Calvinism seems to have God's people suffering for nothing and then getting taken to Heaven. Everyone's suffering, the elect along with the non-elect. What's the purpose? Does God enjoy seeing everyone suffer? I can't believe that.

 

[reformed1689]

And if you had read Romans 7:7-13 you would see it is talking about the Ten Commandments, verified by the commandment on coveting. Read it again, in fact read from Romans 7:7 through Romans 8:9, to see that Romans 8 frees us from Romans 7. Romans 8:2 The law of the Spirit of life in Christ frees us from the law of sin and death (Romans 7)

Now if you can't see it and it is still foolishness to you, read 1 Corinthians 2 about the unsaved natural man that cannot comprehend the things of the Spirit. Although, you won't be able to comprehend that either, so I hope someday you can learn the real meaning of the Word of God.

Ok this is beyond ridiculous. First, you know Paul was already saved when he wrote Romans and he stated that he still sins even after salvation. You are trying to dodge with distractions about the law but ignore the fact Paul states there is still sin within his flesh AFTER salvation. You can't skirt around that I'm going to hold you to the fire on it.

That being said, then you accuse me of not being a Christian because I don't see it your way. That is a violation of forum rules.

 

[Giuliano]

He has the right to chose not to show grace to some; He IS God. Who does God owe salvation to??

God doesn't care if we repent or not?

 

[reformed1689]

God doesn't care if we repent or not?

Who has claimed that? Boy you are such a troll.

 

[Grailhunter]

So... I have to answer all of your questions, but you won't answer a single one of mine?

And God allows sinners to do exactly what they want to do; sin. He does not make us sin, we sin ourselves into heaven. He has the right to chose not to show grace to some; He IS God. Who does God owe salvation to??

Again deceit, evasion, and lies! When does your God predestine people to hell?

 

[Grailhunter]

Now we’re getting somewhere, so are you saying hell is within my brother here?

lol, Putting words in my mouth you know is not going to fly. Stand down...this is not directed at you.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Ok this is beyond ridiculous. First, you know Paul was already saved when he wrote Romans and he stated that he still sins even after salvation. You are trying to dodge with distractions about the law but ignore the fact Paul states there is still sin within his flesh AFTER salvation. You can't skirt around that I'm going to hold you to the fire on it.

That being said, then you accuse me of not being a Christian because I don't see it your way. That is a violation of forum rules.

I'm not saying you are unsaved - you are by claiming Romans 7 is about Paul as a Christian, and trying to justify sin, a doctrine of demons.

What is advanced theology that you don't know is Semitic writing styles of Jews. Paul was a Jew so would have written in the eastern style of writing. You have a western mindset, so even though it is absolutely clear that Paul is talking about the Old Testament law, even placing himself, which is actually mankind, at the time of Moses and before, it is written in present tense and now you don't understand what he means. The present tense, as opposed to the context acts as a stumbling block to you. Do yourself a favor and read it in context a few times slowly without the stumbling block and maybe you will understand.

John wrote in the eastern styles too (there are more than one). That is why you believe 1 John 1:8 is about a Christian. Oy vey!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Be back later.

 

[Giuliano]

Who has claimed that? Boy you are such a troll.

Just wondering. Some people seem to think they can act like hell and God's okay with it.

What happens if we don't repent of our sins? Is God going to save some people anyway and damn others no matter what -- or does repentance mean something?

 

[Mjh29]

Again deceit, evasion, and lies! When does your God predestine people to hell?

lol, Putting words in my mouth you know is not going to fly.

Wow... Guinness World Record for most sides of the mouth talked out at once.

 

[Giuliano]

Ok this is beyond ridiculous. First, you know Paul was already saved when he wrote Romans and he stated that he still sins even after salvation. You are trying to dodge with distractions about the law but ignore the fact Paul states there is still sin within his flesh AFTER salvation. You can't skirt around that I'm going to hold you to the fire on it.

That being said, then you accuse me of not being a Christian because I don't see it your way. That is a violation of forum rules.

Where did Paul say he was "already saved"?

 

[John Caldwell]

Where did Paul say he was "already saved"?

Open your Bible to A.W. Pink chapter 3.....

I doubt any of the Calvinists here advocate bringing Bibles to a theology fight. You risk knocking down the house of cards they've been building for 500 years.