Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

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The Torah was given to an earth that has sinners, which is why it was made for the torahless. And until sin exists, the Torah is still needed, because it defines what sin is.

God told me that whatever is not of faith is sin. Isn't that a more inclusive definition?

Aren't you saying here what I said also, that the Torah is for the sinner?

Much love!

 

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If Torah was all we need, why did Jesus have to die and bring in a New Covenant? The reason is it did not measure up to the eternal laws of God. The laws of the New Covenant do measure up; that is why the old laws are now obsolete.

Not to mention that Torah cannot make us righteous. Jesus did that.

Much love!

 

[gaviria.christian]

God told me that whatever is not of faith is sin. Isn't that a more inclusive definition?

Aren't you saying here what I said also, that the Torah is for the sinner?

Much love!

Leaving the financial system is an act of belief, while remaining in the financial system is an act of disbelief. Through the dream given Pharaoh all Egypt prepared for the 7 year drought out of belief. And also by belief the sons of Israel took articles of silver and gold and clothing from the Egyptians when they left Egypt. As such, it is not the will of God that we be left on the street naked with nothing. We are to get rid of paper money and fiat currency, which can be done either by burning it, or exchanging it for necessities. Even the Torah commands, "you shall not eat anything unclean, but you may sell it to a foreigner". We are to be as wise as serpents but as gentle as doves.

 

[justbyfaith]

@gaviria.christian,

If you are really going to make the claim that flat money is the mark of the beast, the least you could do is give practical advice as to how you are avoiding using flat money.

I assume you are saying that it is alright to use coins?

Is it encumbering to have to take coins with you any time that you go to shop?

Do you know that Jesus said to us that His yoke is easy and his burden is light?

 

[CharismaticLady]

The Torah was given to an earth that has sinners, which is why it was made for the torahless. And until sin exists, the Torah is still needed, because it defines what sin is.

Do you know why it is no longer for true Christians?

 

[gaviria.christian]

@gaviria.christian,

If you are really going to make the claim that flat money is the mark of the beast, the least you could do is give practical advice as to how you are avoiding using flat money.

I assume you are saying that it is alright to use coins?

Is it encumbering to have to take coins with you any time that you go to shop?

Do you know that Jesus said to us that His yoke is easy and his burden is light?

You could just ask, rather than say, "the least you could do", as if it weren't information I'd freely give if asked. I have instructions on my website towards the bottom of my bible study that identifies the mark of the beast, http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2018/12/0...the-mark-of-the-beast-and-the-meaning-of-666/ .

 

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Leaving the financial system is an act of belief, while remaining in the financial system is an act of disbelief

But not so.

Staying where I am is an act of faith. I'm serving where God put me, and keeps me. And I'm receiving provision from Him. I'm trusting Him, and He cares for me.

You would have me abandon that? To what end? To somehow be righteous because I'm acting a certain way?

Much love!

 

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We are to get rid of paper money and fiat currency, which can be done either by burning it, or exchanging it for necessities.

While selling road kill to the gentiles was allowed, how is this the same as purveying the Mark of the Beast to others, and therefore consigning their souls the the lake of fire?

And . . . how is it that you once took the Mark of the Beast, but now you are not condemned for it?

Isn't this an example of selective application? Those who take the mark will share the punishment of the beast. So, having used fiat currency, how is it that you avoid that fate? Isn't your goose already cooked?

Much love!

 

[gaviria.christian]

But not so.

Staying where I am is an act of faith. I'm serving where God put me, and keeps me. And I'm receiving provision from Him. I'm trusting Him, and He cares for me.

You would have me abandon that? To what end? To somehow be righteous because I'm acting a certain way?

Much love!

Staying where you are is an act of disobedience and disbelief because you have the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast is paper money and fiat currency because it breaks the command of the Torah, "you shall have righteous balances and weights". Paper money was issued to represent gold, then the bankers robbed everyone of their gold by devaluing it, then it no longer represented gold, robbing everyone at an even greater scale, which then lead to the fiat currency we have today, a false weight, which is still devalued more and more, to steal more, by causing incomes and savings to lag behind the devaluation, which then causes prices to go up all around, which then causes people to get into debt, which is not given to them for free, but at interest. It is the greatest ponzi scheme of robbery the world has ever seen, and that is why it is the "mark of the beast", which also only exists by the mutual consent of the people who use it to buy and sell daily, which is why anyone in possession of it is worthy to be cursed by it.

 

[gaviria.christian]

While selling road kill to the gentiles was allowed, how is this the same as purveying the Mark of the Beast to others, and therefore consigning their souls the the lake of fire?

And . . . how is it that you once took the Mark of the Beast, but now you are not condemned for it?

Isn't this an example of selective application? Those who take the mark will share the punishment of the beast. So, having used fiat currency, how is it that you avoid that fate? Isn't your goose already cooked?

Much love!

They already have paper money and fiat currency. Therefore, render to "Caesar what belongs to Caesar" and "pay her back what she has paid".

 

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@gaviria.christian,

If you are really going to make the claim that flat money is the mark of the beast, the least you could do is give practical advice as to how you are avoiding using flat money.

I assume you are saying that it is alright to use coins?

Is it encumbering to have to take coins with you any time that you go to shop?

Do you know that Jesus said to us that His yoke is easy and his burden is light?

US coins aren't of intrinsic value either. Maybe the copper pennies. I have silver coins, but the coins we all use aren't silver.

And even the price of silver and gold fluctuates . . . wait for it . . . according to . . . the manipulations of the markets and economies.

If you want to avoid the effects of these manipulations, which is your complaint against fiat currency, you would need to avoid any method of transaction which is subject to those manipulations.

Gold prices change all the time not because the world's supply of gold changes, but because the desirability of gold changes. And the desirability of gold changes according to the desirability of other investments. Again, it's manipulated by those rich enough to do so.

Any time you use anything as "currency" it's subject to manipulation in the modern world. Only if you, say, dig a hole for your neighbor, who then pays you in tomatoes, according to your private agreement, are you free from fiat currency.

Prices in the stores fluctuate according the values of fiat currency. Again, only a pure barter system avoids this.

If one's objection to fiat currency is that it can be manipulated, well, you can't stop there.

But when one recognizes that while someone is manipulating economies, and they will answer for it, I'm not. I'm using what God has provided to me to fulfill my work in this world. I'm being honest in my dealing. So how am I violating the prohibition against honest weights?

Not to mention, naturally, I don't want to have anything that's not rightfully mine. So when the bank gave me a refund on a charge I thought was in error, when I realized it wasn't, I called them back and has them reverse the refund. Given that there was a two month gap, the value of that refund had changed, as that's what currencies do, even gold changes in what it will purchase.

I truly do not see your connection of fiat cash and the mark of the beast, which truly is something different. No man may buy and sell, even with gold. Gold will be useless. People will throw it away into the streets.

Much love!

 

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They already have paper money and fiat currency. Therefore, render to "Caesar what belongs to Caesar" and "pay her back what she has paid".

And what about your goose? Cooked already. You've used fiat cash, so you are guilty. You will share the beast's condemnation. If this is how you believe, well, that's what the Bible says.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Not to mention that Torah cannot make us righteous. Jesus did that.

Much love!

How Jesus made us righteous outside the law is what he needs to grasp. But so far he is blind as a bat.

 

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They already have paper money and fiat currency. Therefore, render to "Caesar what belongs to Caesar" and "pay her back what she has paid".

So then "just one more" is OK.

I still don't understand how you justify that. To me, giving someone the Mark of the Beast is eternal murder. God will condemn all who receive it.

 

[gaviria.christian]

And what about your goose? Cooked already. You've used fiat cash, so you are guilty. You will share the beast's condemnation. If this is how you believe, well, that's what the Bible says.

Much love!

That is why we need to repent by removing it, to be forgiven of ever having used that cursed money. But if you do not remove it, then you remain cursed by it.

 

[gaviria.christian]

So then "just one more" is OK.

I still don't understand how you justify that. To me, giving someone the Mark of the Beast is eternal murder. God will condemn all who receive it.

They already have the mark of the beast. They are already condemned.

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't know much about the Talmud except that it was written by Jewish Rabbis. The "needle" was something I read long ago stating that the road that lead to Jerusalem was named so because it was so narrow that folks had to remove their belongings from the camel so as to be able to get through the narrow gate.
As for the rest, not sure how to answer?? Do you think I am still on the milk of The Word?

um. Little children drink lots of milk, eh? And if "meat" is "facts," or maybe better put "(the truth) as I (capital i there) understand it--as i currently suspect--well then i'm not so sure that that would be the slur you might imagine?

fwiw since i really have no idea why codependency came up in this context--the lonely thing prolly--i would follow that. What does the words "codependent" currently mean to you?

As far as co dependence goes, there seems to be a lot of differing opinions as to what that really is.

well, it is a difficult concept to get a handle on i guess; the enabler would be the codependent, so i assume you meant more like "enablee" there yes? But i can tell you from my own experience that i was codependent as a way of "helping" others whilst enabling my own ego, as it allowed me to be in charge, so to speak.

 

[bbyrd009]

They already have the mark of the beast. They are already condemned.

Christ died for my sins, yeh. Dunno if i practice that in all Three, sure hope not, but after all someone else counted 667, right

 

[bbyrd009]

Now, manna...what is that to you?

plainly speaking, imo the childlike attitude of wonder and discovery over knowing and judgement, the fruit of the tree of "knowledge." My evidence would be those here who have objected to my "imos" and "prollys"
(we're sick of this manna, give us some meat to eat)

 

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That is why we need to repent by removing it, to be forgiven of ever having used that cursed money. But if you do not remove it, then you remain cursed by it.

Just to be clear . . . this is the Mark of the Beast:

Revelation 13
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Everyone will be presented before the idol, the image of the beast, so that they may worship it. If you do, you will be marked and released. If you don't you will die. And in order to get you there, the powers that be will shut down the economy to anyone who does not cooperate.

Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

If you've used fiat currency, and using fiat currency is receaving the mark of the beast, then you have, by your own testimony, received the mark of the beast.

According to this passage, you will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, in eternal torment.

So it's too late for you.

Isn't that so?