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Featured Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

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  1. bbyrd009

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    well i hope you get that that is strictly my opinion, and i would maybe clarify by saying that there surely is a sense in which Christ died for my sins; but imo that is because i killed Him, not because God required a sacrifice to make me acceptable to Him, which imo might easily be realized via several Scriptures, who told you that you were naked, I desire mercy, not sacrifice, many others

    but fwiw i did believe that for like forty years, and wouldnt condemn anyone even if they died believing that. Fear sells. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. The heir is under servants until he inherits, even though he is the lord...i would also mention what perfect love does to fear, but i guess i dont really understand that one yet myself
     
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    "
    That our verb essentially denotes the completion of an early maturation period by infusion with a nutritious or formative agent is made clear by its uses in the sense of to wean a child; to raise a child from milk-drinking infant to regular food-eating little person. Thus Abraham gave a huge feast when Isaac was weaned (Genesis 21:8), Samuel became Eli's apprentice after he was weaned (1 Samuel 1:22-23), Hadadstayed in Egypt until his son Genubath was weaned (1 Kings 11:20), and Gomer conceived of Lo-ammiwhen Lo-ruhamah was weaned (Hosea 1:8).

    Likewise our verb is used to describe the growing into maturity of fruits. Thus Moses discovered the rod of Aaron to have budded and produced flowers and was now bearing ripening almonds (Numbers 17:8), and Isaiah saw perfect buds with grapes ripening in the flower right before the harvest (Isaiah 18:5)..." Camels in the Bible serve as units of trade
     
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    • The feminine equivalent גמולה (gemula), meaning investment. In its singular form this noun occurs only in 2 Samuel 19:37. In plural it occurs twice, in Isaiah 59:18 and most strikingly in Jeremiah 51:56, where the Lord is called אל גמלות (El-gemulot). This phrase is usually interpreted to mean God of Recompense(s) in the sense that God would be the Great Avenger. The problem with this interpretation is that God typically loves and forgives, but he also typically sows and harvests, and subsequently directs the human endeavor according to the familiar dictum "you reap what you sow". God is rather the God of Investment And Return, in all the economic sense of the word (MATTHEW 13:8, 25:9). The obedience that God is often said to demand from us is not the obedience a totalitarian dictator demands of his subjects, but rather that of a businessman who invests in a sector with the potential of growth and then expects that sector to indeed grow healthier and more prosperous..." ibid

    3 Ways to Tell if You Are Codependent - wikiHow
     
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    Ya know Mark, sometimes I don't know if you are being serious or mocking me o_O

    Maybe Jesus referred to Himself that way as to identify with us? I think the term has messianic inferences as well:
    "And behold, one like the Son of Man, coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him near before him. Then to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed" (Daniel 7:13,14).

    I may not be the wisest owl in the tree but I sure do fear God and what He could do to me. Maybe that in itself is wise :D
     
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    surely it is at least a great beginning :)
    when i was first ritually baptised, i felt as if i had "arrived," while subsequent tests revealed to me that i actually had not. And i pray that i dont ever come to feel/think that way again, Nancy, strange as that maybe sounds. Eating manna is hard for me, yes. I come from a very Codependent family

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    Most striking is the derived masculine noun גמל (gamal), from whence comes our word "camel", and which translator will always translate with "camel" to considerable confusion. We'll discuss the word גמל (gamal) below, but note that the connection between the camel and the process of maturation is also reflected by the noun בכרה (bikra), denoting a young camel, which comes from the verb בכר(bakar), which denotes the very beginning of the maturation process: the first birth of either people, animals or fruits..."

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    Because it was the largest animal in Palestine, the camel also came to denote "something very big," as opposed to something proverbially small. Jesus accused the Pharisees for straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel (MATTHEW 23:24), which is usually explained by pointing out that both were declared not kosher. This is a mistake. Camels are unclean (Leviticus 11:4) but gnats aren't because they have six legs not four (Leviticus 11:20).

    In other words, Jesus is saying that the Pharisees are sifting out something that's perfectly fine but devouring something that's not kosher at all. The key lies in MATTHEW 23:4 where Jesus compares Pharisaic proselytes to the beasts of burden with which men transport their wares. Apparently, even back in Jesus' days religion was quite a lucrative enterprise..." ibid

    so, reader, what does codependence mean to you? Because it can remain just another term you are not fam with, ergo must not apply to you, or it can become a (rather painful) stepping-stone to growth, at least imo
     
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    The camel through the eye of a needle
    Much has been written about this curious statement of Jesus, but it's pretty sure that the gospel writers coined it. In the Babylonian Talmud, which was recorded centuries after Christ, an elephant goes through the eye of a needle (or rather not; Berachot 55b) and in his famous 17th century Talmudic Lexicon, Johannes Buxtorf recorded the beautiful Jewish saying "the eye of a needle is not too narrow for two friends but the world is not too large for two enemies" (under his article on the verb נקב naqab, meaning to pierce or bore; this saying was later quoted by Bochart in his 16th century Hierozocion as Talmudic, but the original proverb never made it into the official Jewish commentaries).

    The notion that the eye of a needle was a small gate next to a main gate is also from that time, and appears to have been a pious invention that actually made it into common use in the middle east. Likewise, the Greek word καμιλος (kamilos), denoting a ship's cable of sorts, was invented many centuries after Christ and forged to look like καμηλος (kamelos), meaning camel, for the sole purpose of explaining Jesus' enigmatic statement..." ibid
     
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    The camel through the eye of a needle
    Much has been written about this curious statement of Jesus, but it's pretty sure that the gospel writers coined it. In the Babylonian Talmud, which was recorded centuries after Christ, an elephant goes through the eye of a needle (or rather not; Berachot 55b) and in his famous 17th century Talmudic Lexicon, Johannes Buxtorf recorded the beautiful Jewish saying "the eye of a needle is not too narrow for two friends but the world is not too large for two enemies" (under his article on the verb נקב naqab, meaning to pierce or bore; this saying was later quoted by Bochart in his 16th century Hierozocion as Talmudic, but the original proverb never made it into the official Jewish commentaries).

    The notion that the eye of a needle was a small gate next to a main gate is also from that time, and appears to have been a pious invention that actually made it into common use in the middle east. Likewise, the Greek word καμιλος (kamilos), denoting a ship's cable of sorts, was invented many centuries after Christ and forged to look like καμηλος (kamelos), meaning camel, for the sole purpose of explaining Jesus' enigmatic statement..." ibid
     
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    That's exactly what Paul wrote to Timothy, that the Law is for the ungodly. If you claim the Law is for you, then you by the same token declare yourself ungodly. I don't think that is what you mean. But clearly that is the contradiction you face.
     
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    Obedience to the Torah is not unrighteousness, it is righteousness. You have no understanding of the Torah, which is why you think that obedience to the Torah is evil, rather than understand it is good.
     
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    I don't know much about the Talmud except that it was written by Jewish Rabbis. The "needle" was something I read long ago stating that the road that lead to Jerusalem was named so because it was so narrow that folks had to remove their belongings from the camel so as to be able to get through the narrow gate.
    As for the rest, not sure how to answer?? Do you think I am still on the milk of The Word?
     
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    Interesting comment about the needle. Yes, I see the insight there; interesting. It can be insightful if one looks at a possible original context for certain figures of speech. (For a moment I thought your reference to the needle indicated that you had revived your former tattoo interest.)
     
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    "when i was first ritually baptised, i felt as if i had "arrived," while subsequent tests revealed to me that i actually had not."
    When I became baptized as an adult, 1993...I knew I was only just starting to understand...and knew I had a very long way to go. Still do. I walked away from the Church in the late 90's for a season. Nothing fulfilled. It wasn't until about 5 short years ago that I truly started to understand what it means to have true faith and what it meant to follow Him. My prayers are intercessory, and it is exciting to me to see how He works in my friends, loved ones and my community. My faith has grown in leaps and bounds. And for that, I am so very grateful. I know He is working even though I might not see it yet, or ever!
    As far as co dependence goes, there seems to be a lot of differing opinions as to what that really is. One is that the co dependent person wants to please their enablers, another is that the co dependent person feels worthless unless they are needed by and choose to make great sacrifices to please the enabler. So, to that end...we should be pleasing God and not sacrificing to please the enabler. Our true identity is in Christ, IMHO.
    Now, manna...what is that to you?
     
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    I don't think it evil, what gave you that idea? It's just not required. And No One actually keeps it.
     
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    Lol...not a chance @farouk ;)
     
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    No one BUT Christ COULD keep it :)
     
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    You implied that if I obey the Torah then I become ungodly, which is a subtle way of saying that obeying the Torah is evil. Either obeying the Torah is good, or it is evil. Either obeying "you shall not commit adultery" is good, or it is evil. Either affixing mezuzot is good, or it is evil.
     
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    That would be a good place to focus.

    Just my opinion, of course!

    :)
     
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    I'm sorry, what I mean to say is this.

    The Law is given for the Ungodly. In saying that you are under the Law, this implicitly says that you are also ungodly. I realize that you do not intend to call yourself ungodly, and I certainly don't say you are ungodly. I don't know you, so how can I know that?

    The commandment to not commit adultery is given to those who would so commit.

    Not that obedience to the Torah makes one ungodly.

    It's like saying, Only Rockwell employees at Disneyland today. You are at Disneyland today, therefore, you must be a Rockwell employee.

    The Law is given for the ungodly. If I say, the Law is given for me, then in the same way, I declare myself ungodly. Since that is who the Law is given to.

    Much love!
     
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    If Torah was all we need, why did Jesus have to die and bring in a New Covenant? The reason is it did not measure up to the eternal laws of God. The laws of the New Covenant do measure up; that is why the old laws are now obsolete.
     
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    The Torah was given to an earth that has sinners, which is why it was made for the torahless. And until sin exists, the Torah is still needed, because it defines what sin is.
     
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