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Sure, happy birthday (also).

Psa_90:12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.​
Thank you!

Even so!

"This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it." Psalm 118:24

For me it is every day. I cannot let a day pass without private time with the Lord and even when it is not so private as in the remainder of the day, it needs to be with Him still:

"Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice." Phil 4:4

"Pray without ceasing." I Thess 5:17
 
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If the Word is not alive in us, to us it is dead.
Stubborn in your age elder brother. You still have the streak of not admitting when you are in error, when shown you from the word itself.

No, we were "dead in trespasses and sins" without the spirit, but the word liveth and abideth ever and is spirit.

Body (us, flesh):

Eph_2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Col_2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;​

word of God (spirit, life, living, alive):

1Pe_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
 

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"Body" (us, flesh), not His word (spirit).
His Body is to be, you and me and each other one prepared to function as a part: each of us no longer parched with thirst.

Did not Jesus die on the cross? Until His Body, the Body of Christ is ready, where does he lay his Head?


"For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.
This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it." Psalm 132:13-14
What is Zion?


Zion = "parched place"

We need water, Living Water, to no longer be thirsty, to no longer be parched!

"But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." John 4:14

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6
 

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Too late tonight as I see that you wish to continue while saying that I am stubborn but in error. Have you already forgotten that only God gives the increase [I Cor 3:5-7]? He may use you or me to do it, but we should not presume that He will. Now I must go the way of a tired old man to my bed where my wife awaits. Until the morrow then when we may speak more if you wish... But it will not be early because tomorrow is the morning I meet with my dear old pastor. You spoke of me as elder, but he is 94. Each Wednesday morning when he is not off on one of his many missionary trips, we meet together to discuss the scriptures and to pray. He is a lonely old widower with no natural children who is still deeply involved in the things of God. So you may understand why it is more important for me to meet with him.

Give God the glory!
 
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I didn't address it because it is a blatant wild goose chase. It's pointless. You just admitted you have no point. If you're just going to continue on with this instead of making a point, then I'll simply add you to the ignored list.
Third time, and ???
 
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Ah but I have just a couple of days ago been impressed to take myself on a heavy trip through the Book of Revelation and related books in the Bible. I had hoped to start today, but being my birthday [76], my daughter and her family overwhelmed me by taking my wife and I out to dinner. I enjoyed it thoroughly but it put me behind schedule again. Being retired I thought that would never happen, but that is often not how things work. When I get to chapter 14, I will have your suggestion mind. Thank you for this.
Happy birthday!!!
 
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Y do U believe what U believe, and do U have good reasons 4 those beliefs? - let's find out together.

I haven't always believed what I currently believe, and it took some time to really think and pray about what I believe, and why, and whether those beliefs were true, had any rationality to them, and were biblically sound. In that searching, I found some of the things I believed were untrue, not rational, and incoherent, even dangerous, but was willing to consider what I believed anyway, and in so doing, was willing to change where needful.

So this thread is for that purpose, that we may all consider what we believe, why we believe it, by some searching, studying, thinking and praying.

For instance, I believe Jesus is returning very soon, yet I did not always used to believe that, or even think on it.
So here is what I believe:

I am specifically Seventh-day Adventist (not born or raised as)

01. Christian,
02. Protestant (anti-Catholicism, not anti-Catholic),
03. Creationist (Young Earth, 6,244 years ish) (non-evolutionist, non-theistic evolutionist. non gap-ist),
04. Noahic Global Catastrophist (circa AM 1656; or 600th year of Noah's life), Month (2nd), Day (17th) Gen 07:6,11; lasting a year (AM 1657 2nd, 27th (Gen 8:14-16))),
05. JEHOVIST (LORD God is JEHOVAH Elohiym),
06. Trio-ist (Father, Son and Holy Ghost, each Divine/Deity, are three eternal distinct Beings/Persons working together as one chord; with Father and Son having body, parts, form, shape, likeness (nature of the Holy Ghost/Spirit is a mystery unexplained though He is an eternal Person/Being), not necessarily 'trinitarian' (depends on definition (anti-Roman Catholicism def.))
07. King James Bible as the perfectly inspired and preserved word of God in English,
08. Annihilationist (wicked will be ultimately destroyed and gone forever after 3rd Advent),
09. Soul Sleepist (conditional mortalist; anti-psychopannychiast),
10. Ten Commandments (God's Law for all mankind in all times)
11. Sabbath of the LORD - keeper (the 7th day of the scriptural week as formulated at creation/Genesis) etc)
12. Historicist (prophetic, non-futurist, non-preterist, non-amillenialist, non-allegoricist)
13. Millenialist (aka chiliast) (literal, natural 1,000 years to come (spent in Heaven, not on earth))
14. Assurance of Salvation (relationship) but not OSAS, not Irresistible Grace (iow, can lose, cast away salvation)
15. Unfallen (no sin) Life on Unfallen Worlds believer (not little green, grey, etc men or beast men)
16. Continuing Gifts in the Church (such as gift of Prophecy, through persons like (but not limited to) sister Ellen G White), in other words, a non-'cessastionist'.
17. Health Reformer (Edenist)
18. Resurrectionist (belief in the resurrection, not merely of Jesus (and others past), but also of the 3 resurrections to come; special (mixture), first great (just/righteous) and second great (unjust/damnation)
19. Adventist (waiting for the real and soon return of Jesus Christ in glory and power from Heaven)
20. Tabernaclist (all doctrine may be found in God's Temple/Tabernacle/Sanctuary)
21. Conspiratorialist (I believe the scriptures (KJB) point out the secret doings of men in high places)
22. Globist (the world/earth is a spheroid, not flat, nor domish)
23. Love for the Truth/Facts (no matter the field of study/topic/subject)
24. Blood Atonement (Jesus' blood is the purchase of the whole world)​
 
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Happy birthday!!!
Just a little time here this morning while my wife runs to her necessary Wednesday appointment. When she returns, I'll be off to my own.

Thank you my friend for the birthday greeting.

I already, in my flesh [not the 'new man'], felt old, but people long ago, I guess, started this practice of reciting the exact numbers on a yearly basis to keep track of the passage of time, as if we might forget what is happening to our flesh...LOL. I can well remember when I was young, as men count young, being almost unable to wait for the next birthday and even more impatient for the arrival of certain birthdays which opened up new possibilities. Most of those possibilities don't seem so important now.

One thing good, however came to me yesterday. My daughter had overheard a discussion between me and my wife about hoping in this next year to buy a new German Bible. I have two that I put away because they were worn badly. Now I am reading from a third one not worn that badly considering... I bought it used on the Internet abit more than 5 years ago. It was printed in 1922 and I really was hoping to preserve it somewhat... My daughter has ordered a new one for me for my birthday. Before ordering it she consulted with me to make sure it would satisfy me which it certainly will. Rather than waiting for next year to buy it myself, now I expect it to arrive here in 7-10 days. Thank you dear Lord for providing at times things unexpected and only 'wanted' rather than 'needed'.
 
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So here is what I believe:

I am specifically Seventh-day Adventist (not born or raised as)

01. Christian,
02. Protestant (anti-Catholicism, not anti-Catholic),
03. Creationist (Young Earth, 6,244 years ish) (non-evolutionist, non-theistic evolutionist. non gap-ist),
04. Noahic Global Catastrophist (circa AM 1656; or 600th year of Noah's life), Month (2nd), Day (17th) Gen 07:6,11; lasting a year (AM 1657 2nd, 27th (Gen 8:14-16))),
05. JEHOVIST (LORD God is JEHOVAH Elohiym),
06. Trio-ist (Father, Son and Holy Ghost, each Divine/Deity, are three eternal distinct Beings/Persons working together as one chord; with Father and Son having body, parts, form, shape, likeness (nature of the Holy Ghost/Spirit is a mystery unexplained though He is an eternal Person/Being), not necessarily 'trinitarian' (depends on definition (anti-Roman Catholicism def.))
07. King James Bible as the perfectly inspired and preserved word of God in English,
08. Annihilationist (wicked will be ultimately destroyed and gone forever after 3rd Advent),
09. Soul Sleepist (conditional mortalist; anti-psychopannychiast),
10. Ten Commandments (God's Law for all mankind in all times)
11. Sabbath of the LORD - keeper (the 7th day of the scriptural week as formulated at creation/Genesis) etc)
12. Historicist (prophetic, non-futurist, non-preterist, non-amillenialist, non-allegoricist)
13. Millenialist (aka chiliast) (literal, natural 1,000 years to come (spent in Heaven, not on earth))
14. Assurance of Salvation (relationship) but not OSAS, not Irresistible Grace (iow, can lose, cast away salvation)
15. Unfallen (no sin) Life on Unfallen Worlds believer (not little green, grey, etc men or beast men)
16. Continuing Gifts in the Church (such as gift of Prophecy, through persons like (but not limited to) sister Ellen G White), in other words, a non-'cessastionist'.
17. Health Reformer (Edenist)
18. Resurrectionist (belief in the resurrection, not merely of Jesus (and others past), but also of the 3 resurrections to come; special (mixture), first great (just/righteous) and second great (unjust/damnation)
19. Adventist (waiting for the real and soon return of Jesus Christ in glory and power from Heaven)
20. Tabernaclist (all doctrine may be found in God's Temple/Tabernacle/Sanctuary)
21. Conspiratorialist (I believe the scriptures (KJB) point out the secret doings of men in high places)
22. Globist (the world/earth is a spheroid, not flat, nor domish)
23. Love for the Truth/Facts (no matter the field of study/topic/subject)
24. Blood Atonement (Jesus' blood is the purchase of the whole world)​
That should keep you debating until the end.

I recommend not getting set in [your] ways, and not latching onto things along the path (as you have in your list above), but rather to where they lead ("Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these will be added unto you", not your list above, but just those things which He would list).
 
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That should keep you debating until the end.

I recommend not getting set in [your] ways, and not latching onto things along the path (as you have in your list above), but rather to where they lead ("Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these will be added unto you", not your list above, but just those things which He would list).
I share that list, with perhaps one minor exception which I hold lightly pending further study. But that list is quite remarkable in that although some of those points are accepted by other Christians, there would not be a church on the planet that has more than half the congregation agreeing on so many points, regardless of what they were. But the Seventh Day Adventist church is almost wholly in agreement over every one of those points, except the first maybe...that's thousands of churches in almost every nation on earth totaling overt 20 million members all agreeing on 24, at least, major doctrinal points. You would not get that in any other church, not Catholicism, Mormonism, any Pentecostal church, or evangelical. They may all agree on what they think is wrong in Adventism, but they would all disagree on the alternative.
Adventists didn't come to their beliefs by accident, nor did they draw their conclusions on doctrine without prayer and intensive bible study...and because the unique combination of doctrine is so unpopular within Christendom and invites so much angst among other Christian believers, veer very few choose to believe that set of doctrineswithout counting the cost and being firmly convinced that they aren't being sold a lemon.
 

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You are a bit specific. I may be but I am doubtful I could be... Some of the headings I might have to look up before deciding any position on them one way of the other:

So here is what I believe:

I am specifically Seventh-day Adventist (not born or raised as)
I specifically have nothing that I could call myself at the moment other than a follower of God and His Son. My responses in blue:

01. Christian, Yes, so long as I reserve the right to use my own definition.

02. Protestant (anti-Catholicism, not anti-Catholic), Well I am not protesting as the early reformers did, but still some would still want to call me Protestant... so, yes.

03. Creationist (Young Earth, 6,244 years ish) (non-evolutionist, non-theistic evolutionist. non gap-ist), None of these sub-headings for me although I do believe God created it all.

04. Noahic Global Catastrophist (circa AM 1656; or 600th year of Noah's life), Month (2nd), Day (17th) Gen 07:6,11; lasting a year (AM 1657 2nd, 27th (Gen 8:14-16))), Maybe as I am not sure what you mean.

05. JEHOVIST (LORD God is JEHOVAH Elohiym), Probably, but...

06. Trio-ist (Father, Son and Holy Ghost, each Divine/Deity, are three eternal distinct Beings/Persons working together as one chord; with Father and Son having body, parts, form, shape, likeness (nature of the Holy Ghost/Spirit is a mystery unexplained though He is an eternal Person/Being), not necessarily 'trinitarian' (depends on definition (anti-Roman Catholicism def.)) The only time I ever would have called myself trinitarian or anything very much like it was as a Catholic. I stopped being a regular devout Catholic in 1961 and a nominal one in 1976.

07. King James Bible as the perfectly inspired and preserved word of God in English, I read the KJV as my primary English Bible... but I would not go with you as I believe I already indicated on another post.

08. Annihilationist (wicked will be ultimately destroyed and gone forever after 3rd Advent), I would call myself an annihilationist as well.

09. Soul Sleepist (conditional mortalist; anti-psychopannychiast), No position as I only have a vague notion as to what you mean.

10. Ten Commandments (God's Law for all mankind in all times) No simple answer here.

11. Sabbath of the LORD - keeper (the 7th day of the scriptural week as formulated at creation/Genesis) etc) I am sure that I am not a 7th day believer in the sense I think you mean it.

12. Historicist (prophetic, non-futurist, non-preterist, non-amillenialist, non-allegoricist) Those are all terms I would have to look up to make any kind of a response.

13. Millenialist (aka chiliast) (literal, natural 1,000 years to come (spent in Heaven, not on earth)) Same answer as to your #12

14. Assurance of Salvation (relationship) but not OSAS, not Irresistible Grace (iow, can lose, cast away salvation) Not OSAS

15. Unfallen (no sin) Life on Unfallen Worlds believer (not little green, grey, etc men or beast men)I have not a clue as to what you mean.

16. Continuing Gifts in the Church (such as gift of Prophecy, through persons like (but not limited to) sister Ellen G White), in other words, a non-'cessastionist'. I believe in continuing gifts.

17. Health Reformer (Edenist)I have no idea what you mean.

18. Resurrectionist (belief in the resurrection, not merely of Jesus (and others past), but also of the 3 resurrections to come; special (mixture), first great (just/righteous) and second great (unjust/damnation)I believe in rebirth or resurrection, but unable to use your terminology.

19. Adventist (waiting for the real and soon return of Jesus Christ in glory and power from Heaven) Unknown?

20. Tabernaclist (all doctrine may be found in God's Temple/Tabernacle/Sanctuary) Unknown?

21. Conspiratorialist (I believe the scriptures (KJB) point out the secret doings of men in high places) I don't think so, but I don't pursue such things...usually???

22. Globist (the world/earth is a spheroid, not flat, nor domish) Likely so...

23. Love for the Truth/Facts (no matter the field of study/topic/subject)Yes, so as not to be found in delusion

24. Blood Atonement (Jesus' blood is the purchase of the whole world) Yes, on the heading, but the parenthetical phrase could be problematic.
 

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I share that list, with perhaps one minor exception which I hold lightly pending further study. But that list is quite remarkable in that although some of those points are accepted by other Christians, there would not be a church on the planet that has more than half the congregation agreeing on so many points, regardless of what they were. But the Seventh Day Adventist church is almost wholly in agreement over every one of those points, except the first maybe...that's thousands of churches in almost every nation on earth totaling overt 20 million members all agreeing on 24, at least, major doctrinal points. You would not get that in any other church, not Catholicism, Mormonism, any Pentecostal church, or evangelical. They may all agree on what they think is wrong in Adventism, but they would all disagree on the alternative.
Adventists didn't come to their beliefs by accident, nor did they draw their conclusions on doctrine without prayer and intensive bible study...and because the unique combination of doctrine is so unpopular within Christendom and invites so much angst among other Christian believers, veer very few choose to believe that set of doctrineswithout counting the cost and being firmly convinced that they aren't being sold a lemon.
Thanks, it makes for a good discussion.

However, that is either commendable, or shameful depending on how you look at it. The one is like Mary and the other like Martha. "But one thing is needed." Thus, on one hand it is commendable, in that those who follow Christ should indeed be on the same path and in agreement with Him. But shameful, in that each of those things listed is a fixed point on God who cannot be quantified in human terms. But I know what you mean, and I understand.

Still, what is missing, the world has not yet seen; and that is: the sum of all the parts. I have touched on this referring to the illusion of time. But it is a difficult concept for most to comprehend that the sum of many days and events, is not a long time, but rather infinite and without frame.

So, the list and frame work for now as they have for some time. But that is not the conclusion of all truth; nor should it be encouraged. Instead, the better course has been given and is a list of One: "But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you."
 
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"But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you."
interesting...after having been backsidden a number of years, my marriage ready to descend into the abyss, ans my children lining up to follow, I hid alone and cried out to God for help. That above verse was what He said to me. In response to that, and in faith accepting His acceptance of me into His kingdom once again, I sought the meaning of His righteousness...as a result of that search, study, and prayer, I discovered the sanctuary and the wonderful meanings of types and anti types revealed throughout scripture, beginning in the sanctuary, all of which in turn led me to the above list of doctrine and spiritual rebellion. So your quote which you think I should now be moving on to, was in fact where I started.
 
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02. Protestant (anti-Catholicism, not anti-Catholic), Well I am not protesting as the early reformers did, but still some would still want to call me Protestant... so, yes.
If you are not protesting as the early Reformers did, such as Luther, Huss, Tyndale, Zwingli, etc, then you are not a protestant. The word has a meaning. I will not call you that which you are not, if you say you are not doing that which they did. A protestant is one who protests the errors of the anti-christian system, Roman Catholicism, for all the Reformers recognized, from the scripture, that system of theology for what it is. A protestant is not simply a non-Roman Catholic.
 

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01. Christian, Yes, so long as I reserve the right to use my own definition.
No, that right does not belong to you, nor to me, nor to any human being. It belongs to God alone to define the word, and God did do so in scripture, beginning with these:

Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Act_2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Act_26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

1Pe_4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Any other definition apart from the scriptural one is "private interpretation", or private definition.
 

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03. Creationist (Young Earth, 6,244 years ish) (non-evolutionist, non-theistic evolutionist. non gap-ist), None of these sub-headings for me although I do believe God created it all.
If any believe that God used the satanic ideology of evolutionism or great ages of time (millions, billions of years) in the earth's and creaturely creation, that person has left the scriptural idea of Creation, and is not a Creationist after the bibles definition, and hold to ideas opposed to Christ Jesus' and the scriptures most basic and plainest of statements.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Mar_10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Eph_3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.​

The Genealogies of Matthew and Luke demonstrate the time frame of the creation of the earth and the creatures therein. The blood of Abel shed unto Zacharias, and the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, and so many other texts.

The Age of the Earth/mankind may be seen in full here -
 
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04. Noahic Global Catastrophist (circa AM 1656; or 600th year of Noah's life), Month (2nd), Day (17th) Gen 07:6,11; lasting a year (AM 1657 2nd, 27th (Gen 8:14-16))), Maybe as I am not sure what you mean.
The flood of Noah was entirely global, covering the entire surface of the whole earth, as in not merely localized, nor ethnocentric. It is parallel to the fire that will soon cover all the earth in the third advent of Jesus Christ, which annihilates the wicked.

Zep_3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

2Pe_3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Those who localize the flood, do not follow their theology to the end, where the conclusion is that the fire to come would also be localized, wherein the wicked would not all be destroyed, but live, even as they have them do for their imaginative local flood, which they believe to preserve their evolutionary dogmas and idealogies, for a global flood is entirely counter to such.
 

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05. JEHOVIST (LORD God is JEHOVAH Elohiym), Probably, but...
It is simple. One believes that the God of scripture is JEHOVAH Elohiym (LORD God), or they do not. If they believe that some other 'God' is the God of scripture, such as 'Allah', 'Brahma', etc., they have left the Bible and cling to another source and to another 'God'.
 

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06. Trio-ist (Father, Son and Holy Ghost, each Divine/Deity, are three eternal distinct Beings/Persons working together as one chord; with Father and Son having body, parts, form, shape, likeness (nature of the Holy Ghost/Spirit is a mystery unexplained though He is an eternal Person/Being), not necessarily 'trinitarian' (depends on definition (anti-Roman Catholicism def.)) The only time I ever would have called myself trinitarian or anything very much like it was as a Catholic. I stopped being a regular devout Catholic in 1961 and a nominal one in 1976.
I did not say that I was "trinitarian", and in fact stated was not so, by refusing the definition of Roman Catholicism, which is spiritualism. Therefore, since you stated you do not call yourself one either, would you briefly explain what you do believe.

For instance, what I believe, summed up:

"... There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powersthe Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ. ..." - Ms 21, 1906 (November 1905) par. 11

[please note the difference between merely "three" and "trio" [three working together in one accord, at-one-ment, "chord", etc

Merriam Webster's 1828 Dictionary as used by sister White:

TRIO, n. A concert of three parts; three united.”

THREE, a. [L. tres.]

1. Two and one.

I offer thee three things. 2 Samuel 24:12.

2. It is often used like other adjectives, without the noun to which it refers.

Abishai--attained not to the first three. 2 Samuel 23:18-19.

3. Proverbially, a small number.

Away, thou three-inched fool. [I believe obsolete.”]]

I could also speak about the words “duo”, which is never used in the context of the Father and Son, or Son and Holy Spirit, or Father and Holy Spirit. Always, three.

Yet, to get the idea of “duo”, or “quartet”, etc, I could speak of the 'Dynamic Duo' [Batman and Robin], they are two persons working together to take vengeance from God, which is theft [Exodus 20:15; Romans 12:19 KJB, or I could speak of a “quartet”, or “Barbershop Quartet”, they are 4 persons working together to make a single sound, a harmony, and so therefore, 3 working together unitedly as are not merely “three” [as three 'seals' on a beach] but are indeed correctly identified as a “trio” [such as a 'trio' of trained seals in an aquatic show, working together, performing as with a single goal], which are an at-one-ment “chord”, united not as a single person, but multiple [3] persons with a united goal]]​
 
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If you are not protesting as the early Reformers did, such as Luther, Huss, Tyndale, Zwingli, etc, then you are not a protestant. The word has a meaning. I will not call you that which you are not, if you say you are not doing that which they did. A protestant is one who protests the errors of the anti-christian system, Roman Catholicism, for all the Reformers recognized, from the scripture, that system of theology for what it is. A protestant is not simply a non-Roman Catholic.
I do agree, but the name does not really matter that much. A name like this that does not really describe what I am for the benefit of someone I want to understand it, is meaningless or confusing.