Y do U believe what U believe, and do U have good reasons 4 those beliefs? - let's find out.
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Do you believe that there is a real Tabernacle/Sanctuary/Temple in Heaven?
Heb_8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb_8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Have you considered that the following persons saw it or were shown God's real and original Temple in Heaven (3rd)?Heb_8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Moses
Joshua
David
Solomon
Asaph
Isaiah
Ezekiel
Daniel
Apostle Paul
Apostle John
etc?
Joshua
David
Solomon
Asaph
Isaiah
Ezekiel
Daniel
Apostle Paul
Apostle John
etc?
Did God point out the conspiracy of men and women in high office in the days of Ezekiel?
Eze 8:12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth.
Eze 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
Eze_8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Eze 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
Eze_8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Does God not do the same in Revelation and elsewhere?
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Psa_2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
I see that you like to live nebulously, as in a place which is unsure (as Thomas), a land of may be, might be, and possibly. Have you studied to shew yourself approved unto God:
2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
That when persons come to you with another doctrine, another teaching, you may clearly show them the good and right way, and lead them out of error? If no, what you are saying, is that you are a sign post that says, unknown distance to destination, a way point that says you might be going the right way, but then again maybe not, or a light whose colours are neither green, yellow or red, but simply blinking "???".
Many false doctrines exist in these the last days, and every wind of them howls, and when such comes up, we need to stand upon the foundation of God's word, unmoved, and point men to the truth, even a Moses called, who is on the Lord' side, come stand by me (as he says).
This seems to be coloured by your previous statements, however, thank you for this answer.
You are so concerned... but for what reason? I believe in the God who I encountered as a child of 6 years in the Catholic Church more than 70 years ago. I have gotten to know Him a lot better than I did then. I continue to move and to be moved closer to Him. This is the secret, to not remain still and stagnate.
The Bible shows for Him many different names for different reasons and situations, but rather than simply knowing a name pronounceable with human mouths and lips and tongues, I have been IN His name. I would that I was always IN His name so as always to be safe. That is my direction! When I have overcome all the world as Jesus did, I will no longer be in the world as Jesus was no longer in the world prior to going to the cross... When I am no longer in the world, then I will always be IN his name, will I not?
"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are." John 17:11
"Our help is in the name of the LORD, who made heaven and earth." Psalm 124:8
"The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe." Prov 18:10
"And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name." Isaiah 62:2
"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." Rev 3:12
Please explain the part of "parenthetical" and "problematic".
Col_1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
1Co_10:26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
1Co_10:26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
The name was given, "Christians"
Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
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Isa 66:20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD
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Isa 66:21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
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Isa 66:20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD
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Isa 66:21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
Yes!
I had never heard her name before reading about her on one of these forums some years ago. Why would I look deeper into Joseph Smith? Why would I look deeper into Pope Francis? Why would I look deeper into the pastor of the largest Baptist Church in New York City? I have looked deeper into my own pastor, because he was my pastor... but even that through the lens of the Holy Spirit. Am I being led by the Holy Spirit or some person?
There is no maybe or might be, it is either yes or no. It is not meaningless or confusing to embrace the term Protestant, for it carries with it the historic weight and definition. Only those who are afraid to embrace that history, do not embrace the word itself.
Thank you but as I recently told another person here, not of the SDA persuasion, my wife sees to my health insofar of natural food is concerned and I pray with God. I trust my wife as my other half after 47 years. Yes, we are to be good stewards over all that God has provided, but that part of the stewardship while she remains as my spouse is given to her. I also pray for her for God to keep His hand on her so that she will also be where He wants her to be doing what He wants her to do.
"... and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her." Luke 10:42
Sounds like fear. I am Christian in spite of those who abuse the word by their lifestyle and definition in living. Again, you do not have the right, nor any. Satan can redefine a word and does do so and abuse that through people's lives, but that does not change the definition given by God. Judas claimed to follow Christ, but that does not change the true definition of the word Christian or the doctrine of Christ. Christians still held to the real definition in spite of all the apostates and wolves and goats. I reject the idea of "my (your) definition", as it is unscriptural. God defines, not you.
It does not follow, that you are not a "scientist", that you cannot know the truth of the matter and take the biblical stand. Peter, James and John were not 'scientists' in the modern sense of the abused word. Science (from Latin scientia) simply means knowledge.
Very dangerous position to take. "Hopefully"? God says that we can know for certain, and be sure:
1Jn_4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1Jn_5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
1Jn_5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
1Jn_5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
1Jn_5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
That was your past, not your present. That was your old man, not the new man, and the old man is dead in trespasses and sin and knows nothing. Only the living man may know.
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Study is the wrong way to get God's answer. Study as per the verse you quoted. as I understand it, is to be approved "unto God"... not to receive the Truth. Yes we are to study, but the key is the lead of the Holy Spirit. That way, study without the lead of the Holy Spirit, is the way of the flesh as Solomon was inspired to write about 3,000 years ago:
"And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh." Ecc 12:12
Jesus speaks to us here about the teacher of all things and the word "study" is not included:
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26
This is what God taught after I backslid for 10 years and returned to Him in 2002. That study thing was what became a weariness of my flesh and led me away from the highway of holiness. I won't return that wrong way. Along with the new way, God also took away from me all of the many verses of scripture that I was previously able to quote verbatim. Now the lead belong to the Holy Spirit... to God in me.
Which one?, What is God's name that you believe in? For scripture says:
1Co_8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
Then you believe God inspired the writers with God's name as being? What of the Ten Commandments itself where God spake aloud God's own name in glory and majesty and power surroudned by ten thousand time ten thousand and thousand of holy angels from Heaven?
I am not condemning anyone, I am simply pointing out the nebulous position you continually take. it isn't caution, it is fear.
God still working, does not say anything about the truths which God has clearly given to us, which we may boldly stand upon.
Deu_29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Loving the Truth does not mean that we know all of the Truth. People, early on in the walk with and toward God know Jesus, but not as well as He can be known. We need to love Him, the Truth, unconditionally even when we don't know, but only follow Him by faith. People presume that they must know it all to truly love him, but no... We want to know Him better because we love Him but we love him already even though much may still be sight unseen:
"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Heb 11:1
You already stated that, by saying you were not "trinitarian". That does not address what I have shared in the matter of "trio".
What is the definition of "one" that is given here? What is the definition you carry, and is it scriptural?
Tautology.
Yet you replied to a statement I made. Did you intend to discuss the statement made and that you made, or is this a hit and run?
This is clearer in regards your position.
That is a heresy, scripturally speaking, and ought to be discussed.
That is also a heresy (dualinity), scripturally speaking, and ought to also be discussed.
Tautology. Godhead explained Godhead to some extent in scripture, though the fullness thereof cannot ever be understood by the finite (us).
This is a discussion forum, and the point of this thread is for such discussion of what you believe, not simply to state what you believe and leave. The OP clearly states that there ought to be good "reasons" for the belief stated.
I embrace and love the Word of God, which is Jesus. You apparently love Jesus, but please do not try to tell me what I need to know or to embrace as if you knew my heart. God does know my heart as He knows every heart. Ultimately only He may lead us correctly. For this reason He sent His Son and He sent the Holy Ghost. I am one of His sheep:
"And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice." John 10:4
The confusion that people have comes from within themselves when they listen to the 'old man' within still seeking to regain his dominion and/or it comes from others who speak also NOT from God.
Where? please link to it here. Thank you.
In your mind it is "OK". I do not agree with the sentiment at all. I think it is a denial of the plainest statements of God on the matter.
That is irrelevant to the matter at hand. It is bringing in another subject entirely.
Again, irrelevant and differing topic.
Never in question, and not the subject at hand.
Only those who cannot sustain their position from scripture, and who desire to not have this revealed, leave the subject as such.
Fear? You are speaking of fear of man. I am speaking of communication. People have changed the meaning of words. Would it help a native Californian who only speak English for me to testify to him in Spanish? Perhaps we are not communicating so well here. If you want to discuss this, I am willing, but please do not presume I don't know anything about God the things of God. I don't know everything, but I also have never any human being that did. The only one I always trust to be right is God. He alone knows me better that I know me.
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