Should women teach the bible?

[CovenantPromise]

Even so, scripture are full of hope, but like the body of Jesus hanging dead on the cross they have no Life in them until the Resurrection. In us they would lie also dead, but for the quickening of the Holy Spirit which would bring them to Life in us... if we do not quench that Spirit!

He already resurrected. I am already quickened that is why when I use scriptures they cut, because I am one living in Christ and He in me.And one alive in Christ knows the WORD spoken or written is ALIVE!

 

[101G]

The argument for some , who are way behind the curve , is that she died? Show me that in scripture please? LOL! I mean according to your own words. I must show she did not die?

Not saying that you're right or wrong, but scripture states,
Hebrews 9:26 "For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". and I don't believe this is speaking of spiritual death here, but natural death. every man, meaning male and female has died so far "ONCE", or one time. now if some happen to be alive when he return, ok, quicken. but as for Mary, if she didn't die, and you have the proof (outdide the bible) then please post it.

or if you have some evidence of Mary not dying a natural death, according to the (scripture) then please post that also. as you said I'm open to new information.

PICJAG

 

[amadeus]

Okay , then why are you joining the DEBATE? A debate has two opposing views. For you to say you agree with, "the depressing view", why aren't I depressed? I am not ill affected by anyone's disagreement . Yet certain are??? don't be like the snowflakes concerning politics. It would seem you you do not like challenges to what you adhere to. I on the other hand welcome challenge with open arms. If you can prove me wrong, (YOU WON'T) but for the entertain value , have at, TRY. I am sound.

Should you be depressed? Should you be disappointed? Should you be weeping? Debate? Do we not already knows who give the increase without regard to the carnal judgment of men?

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
I Cor 3-6-7

No entertainment here on my part. You will of course do as you like.

 

[CovenantPromise]

Not saying that you're right or wrong, but scripture states,
Hebrews 9:26 "For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". and I don't believe this is speaking of spiritual death here, but natural death. every man, meaning male and female has died so far "ONCE", or one time. now if some happen to be alive when he return, ok, quicken. but as for Mary, if she didn't die, and you have the proof (outdide the bible) then please post it.

or if you have some evidence of Mary not dying a natural death, according to the (scripture) then please post that also. as you said I'm open to new information.

PICJAG

I will and I did not say she did not die, I said her death was an instant transformation . I said she did not fall asleep to the earth. And that will too be the case for an end time Elect. They will be transformed in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. You know that is true, yet it was not possible for Christ's mother? At least you are willing to have an educated debate with questions , before just giving complete accusations of lies. You seek proof, I will give it, I am just setting the stage.

 

[amadeus]

He already resurrected. I am already quickened that is why when I use scriptures they cut, because I am one living in Christ and He in me.And one alive in Christ knows the WORD spoken or written is ALIVE!

During all the days of my youth, my mother had a large family Bible open to a shiny picture in the center. During all of those years as I grew up in the flesh, not one person in that house ever read that Bible. Who did that Bible save? In what respect was it better than the idols men sculpted for themselves and others out of metal, stone and wood? Once someone opens the Book and his own heart to God, we certainly have a very different picture, do we not?

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

 

[CovenantPromise]

Should you be depressed? Should you be disappointed? Should you be weeping? Debate? Do we not already knows who give the increase without regard to the carnal judgment of men?

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
I Cor 3-6-7

No entertainment here on my part. You will of course do as you like.

I am not talking about that . I was talking about the immediate convulsions the weak minded go into with any discussion of Christ's mother.

Luke 12:11
Confessing Christ
…10And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. 11When you are brought before the synagogues, rulers, and authorities, do not worry about how to defend yourselves or what to say. 12For at that time the Holy Spirit will teach you what you should say.”…

Exodus 4:12
Now go! I will help you as you speak, and I will teach you what to say."

1 Peter 3:15
Suffering for Righteousness
14But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear what they fear; do not be shaken.” 15But in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give a defense to everyone who asks you the reason for the hope you possess. But respond with gentleness and respect, 16keeping a clear conscience, so that those who slander you may be put to shame by your good behavior in Christ.…

Debates are entertaining that is why people go to them and participate in them, there is a certain entertainment factor in them. Nothing bad in what I said.

 

[Helen]

But without the quickening of the Holy Spirit, the contents of the Bible would never have any Life.

AMEN!!

 

[101G]

I will and I did not say she did not die, I said her death was an instant transformation . I said she did not fall asleep to the earth. And that will too be the case for an end time Elect. They will be transformed in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye.

1 Corinthians 15:23 "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
those in, in, in, Christ now as you said, this will happen,
1 Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first".

as for being IN, IN, IN, christ, for he dewlls in us NOW to keep us comforted, till he return. so the in Christ I cannot buy, now if you have something else as said please post it.

PICJAG.

 

[amadeus]

I am not talking about that . I was talking about the immediate convulsions the weak minded go into with any discussion of Christ's mother.

Weak minded? By this do you mean carnally minded? Do only good debaters have the mind of Christ?

Luke 12:11
Confessing Christ
…10And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. 11When you are brought before the synagogues, rulers, and authorities, do not worry about how to defend yourselves or what to say. 12For at that time the Holy Spirit will teach you what you should say.”…

Exodus 4:12
Now go! I will help you as you speak, and I will teach you what to say."

1 Peter 3:15
Suffering for Righteousness
14But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear what they fear; do not be shaken.” 15But in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give a defense to everyone who asks you the reason for the hope you possess. But respond with gentleness and respect, 16keeping a clear conscience, so that those who slander you may be put to shame by your good behavior in Christ.…

Debates are entertaining that is why people go to them and participate in them, there is a certain entertainment factor in them. Nothing bad in what I said.

So enjoy yourself but remember to have care with your words, your tongue and your intent:

"But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God." James 3:8-9

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!" Matt 18:6-9

The seemingly worst of men's words may not in themselves be evil. The seemingly best of words even quoted from the Bible are not good if spoken by with an evil intent. The heart of the speaker tells the tale which God is always able to read with understanding. With the discernment of the Holy Spirit, we may also read with understanding, and was it not for this cause that the Apostle Paul warned about quenching the Spirit?

"And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone." Matt 4:6 [Was not the devil quoting Psalm 91:12?]

Then we see the response:

"Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Matt 4:7 [Was not Jesus quoting Deut 6:16?

And Apostle Paul's admonition:

"Quench not the Spirit." I Thess 5:19

"A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matt 12:35-37

 

[Jenniferdiana3637]

Clearly , you are indoctrinated with some smack. So is taking a dump , "a work". The funny thing is , people like you know exactly what is meant by faith and works and falling out of bed and or skinning your knee and of course taking a dump IS NOT a work in faith. You are either mentally impaired or sooooo full of hatred, because what I said you associate simply with Catholicism , so even the truth spoken in scripture you reject, because a denomination you hate adheres to that particular scriptural principle. They also say Christ's mother was Immaculately conceived /without sin in her mothers womb. Just like you and your crew deny faith and works. Seems you both have some false doctrines. that does not change what scripture says is true! It's tired, your hatred. It goes beyond simply disagreeing with false doctrines of one, it is simply denominational bias. Truth is truth. And you falling out of bed does not bring anyone to the faith nor does it teach of God or reflect intellectual pondering on the mysteries of God, as does a work in FAITH -SCRIPTURE and all works of faith WHICH ARE TO FURTHER THE GROWTH OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IN MEN. For you to put down a faith based work as simply like falling out of bed, skinning your knee , only points to the bizarre spirit in you.

And before you go off on some rant concerning the mother of Christ because I mentioned her, SHE IS HOLY, PURE and was Immaculately CONCEIVED through the IMMACULATE= IMPERISHABLE seed - THE WORD OF GOD , CHRIST. And not only that She is the IMMACULATE CONCEPTION of the faith because she conceived in her Virgin womb the Word, through the Immaculate placement of the Word in her flesh BY THE IMMACULATE= Pure NEVER BEEN OR WILL BE SOILED HOLY SPIRIT, to take of her flesh that all flesh too may be born again through the Imperishable SEED the Word -God.

You can all burn in hell you bitches..I'm done with this forum

 

[amadeus]

He already resurrected. I am already quickened...

What is to be quickened is the "new man". Did you have anything to eat or drink this morning?

How often do you feed you old vessel his meat and potatos? Thrice daily? That old dead portion of cow you consume is resurrected into [quickened] the flesh of your earthen vessel so that will live again.

How often do you consume His flesh?

Each time you consume His flesh, do you also drink His blood to bring what you have eaten to Life? Anyone with a good brain can memorize portions of scripture, but only God through the Holy Spirit can bring that scripture, the dead flesh of Jesus, to Life within a man.

The time of the quickening and the portions of flesh quickened are not of our choosing. We do have a leader and it is Not our natural father or our natural mother. If we are really born again or born from above who should it be?

 

[CovenantPromise]

You can all burn in hell you bitches..I'm done with this forum

WOW!

 

[CovenantPromise]

One of the over-arching principles throughout the Bible, is the often explicit and unambiguous principle of man’s authority over woman. Beginning from the point of creation, and on through the institution of the Levitical priesthood, and the era of the Judges, Monarchy and Apostles, one is obligated to recognize the hierarchal precedence that man has over the woman. And the rare exceptions where a woman may have held authority for a brief time or offered instruction, does not by any means, justifiably constitute the rule.

But, it goes without saying, that this is not a relationship or hierarchy of oppression, abuse, or even superiority in competence and/or standing with God. For simply, as a child may be wiser than his parents, as a student may be more adept than his master, or as a civilian may be more upstanding than a police officer or the government, this does not give the one under another’s authority the right to challenge or usurp that hierarchy. And on the converse, the one holding the superior position is incumbently required to respect, nurture, instruct, protect, and to do all in the best interest of those under their responsibility. And in the case of governmental or familial relationships, the one in authority is obligated to give one’s life for those under their responsibility. Having authority is a responsibility, not a privilege or entitlement.

The following Biblical verses, although having various contexts and precepts, comprehensively address the relationship that is intended to exist between man and woman. Regardless of the specific circumstance of each pericope, one should begin to appreciate how scripture collectively, holds to the view of man’s hierarchal authority over women. In that, it would be extremely precarious for anyone to attempt to defy this over-arching theme, based on a few, implicit, isolated and exceptional verses.

Genesis 2:18, 23
2:18. The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." … 23. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman, 'for she was taken out of man."

Genesis 3:16
16. To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

1 Timothy 2:11-14
2:11. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

1 Cor. 14:34-38
14:34. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. … for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. 37. If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. 38. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.

1 Corinthians 11:3, 7-10, 16
11:3. Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. … 9. neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head. 16. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice-- nor do the churches of God.

1 Peter 3:1-6
3:1. Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, … 5. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, 6. like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master.

Eph. 5:21-24
5: 22. Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Colossians 3:18
3:18. Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

Tit. 2:4-5
2:4. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5. to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

1 Tim. 3:2-12
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, … 8. Deacons, likewise, are to be men worthy of respect, sincere… 11. In the same way, their wives are to be women worthy of respect… 12. A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.

Tit. 1:6
1:6. An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient

Numbers 3:1-13
3:3. Those were the names of Aaron's sons, the anointed priests, who were ordained to serve as priests. 4. Nadab and Abihu, however, fell dead before the LORD when they made an offering with unauthorized fire before him in the Desert of Sinai. They had no sons; so only Eleazar and Ithamar served as priests during the lifetime of their father Aaron. … 9. Give the Levites to Aaron and his sons; they are the Israelites who are to be given wholly to him. 10. Appoint Aaron and his sons to serve as priests; anyone else who approaches the sanctuary must be put to death." 11. The LORD also said to Moses, 12. "I have taken the Levites from among the Israelites in place of the first male offspring of every Israelite woman. The Levites are mine

And, it utterly amazes me how the following verses are understood to believe that there is no more gender in God’s eyes??? If this were so, does that mean that a man may marry and sleep with another man, since God does not see them as men anymore, …but just androgynous? Clearly the passage and entire context, starting from chapter two, is denouncing the Judaizers, and defining what the eligibility for salvation is. That is, circumcision, race, status, vocation, gender, age, size, wealth, pedigree has absolutely no bearing on one’s standing with God towards redemption.

Galations 3:11, 13, 25-29
11. Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." 13. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." 25. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. 26. You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27. for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Informative , thanks for sharing . Clearly God has spoken. Thankfully this is not the Church of the saints. As for me and my house we shall serve the Lord! ISRAEL!

 

[CovenantPromise]

What is to be quickened is the "new man". Did you have anything to eat or drink this morning?

How often do you feed you old vessel his meat and potatos? Thrice daily? That old dead portion of cow you consume is resurrected into [quickened] the flesh of your earthen vessel so that will live again.

How often do you consume His flesh?

Each time you consume His flesh, do you also drink His blood to bring what you have eaten to Life? Anyone with a good brain can memorize portions of scripture, but only God through the Holy Spirit can bring that scripture, the dead flesh of Jesus, to Life within a man.

The time of the quickening and the portions of flesh quickened our not of our choosing. We do have a leader and it is Not out natural father or our natural mother. If we are really born again or born from above who should it be?

OH Boya! Christ did come eating and drinking. All the rest, hmmm? Those are some new ones and strange .
Quickening:
1.make or become faster or quicker.

2.stimulate or become stimulated.

Christ is like a jolt to the soul. Like a defibrillator to a dying heart He stimulates us to life , quickening our growth in truth ,while others lag we excel .

 

[CovenantPromise]

Weak minded? By this do you mean carnally minded? Do only good debaters have the mind of Christ?




So enjoy yourself but remember to have care with your words, your tongue and your intent:

"But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God." James 3:8-9

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!" Matt 18:6-9

The seemingly worst of men's words may not in themselves be evil. The seemingly best of words even quoted from the Bible are not good if spoken by with an evil intent. The heart of the speaker tells the tale which God is always able to read with understanding. With the discernment of the Holy Spirit, we may also read with understanding, and was it not for this cause that the Apostle Paul warned about quenching the Spirit?

"And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone." Matt 4:6 [Was not the devil quoting Psalm 91:12?]

Then we see the response:

"Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Matt 4:7 [Was not Jesus quoting Deut 6:16?

And Apostle Paul's admonition:

"Quench not the Spirit." I Thess 5:19

"A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matt 12:35-37

Really and what did I say that needs taming? You may want to apply that to jenniferdiana or whatever she calls herself. You just do not like what I say not that I am saying anything bad.

 

[101G]

You can all burn in hell you bitches..I'm done with this forum

to all the members who post on this form. to the sheeps and the Lambs. all members in the body of christ are at different stages of maturity. those who are strong must bear with the weak in Faith.
Romans 15:1 "We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
Romans 15:2 "Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.

not saying anyone broke any rules, but the bonds of peace? with maturity comes responsibility, yes we're our brother keeper.
let us all be aware that many are weak in faith, and still struggle with the flesh, (we all do). but let us all have patience with one another, and lets not break the bond of Peace.

Maybe, just maybe the outburst above could have been avoided? maybe or maybe not. but let us watch, again watch our ownselves as to advoid any confrontation even in apperance .... just walk away from the confrontation, or don't post to a individual as to escalate a strong feeling.

hope all are in peace, and apologies to all for the unwarranted outburst. I hope the sister find in her heart to repent as to what she had said. forgiveness is the mark of the true child of God. 1 John 5:17 "All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

PICJAG.

 

[amadeus]

Really and what did I say that needs taming? You may want to apply that to jenniferdiana or whatever she calls herself. You just do not like what I say not that I am saying anything bad.

When did I say that your words needed taming?

 

[CovenantPromise]

to all the members who post on this form. to the sheeps and the Lambs. all members in the body of christ are at different stages of maturity. those who are strong must bear with the weak in Faith.
Romans 15:1 "We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
Romans 15:2 "Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.

not saying anyone broke any rules, but the bonds of peace? with maturity comes responsibility, yes we're our brother keeper.
let us all be aware that many are weak in faith, and still struggle with the flesh, (we all do). but let us all have patience with one another, and lets not break the bond of Peace.

Maybe, just maybe the outburst above could have been avoided? maybe or maybe not. but let us watch, again watch our ownselves as to advoid any confrontation even in apperance .... just walk away from the confrontation, or don't post to a individual as to escalate a strong feeling.

hope all are in peace, and apologies to all for the unwarranted outburst. I hope the sister find in her heart to repent as to what she had said. forgiveness is the mark of the true child of God. 1 John 5:17 "All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

PICJAG.

And those who are strong must restrain their tongue from speaking truth??? The funny things is, instead of defending who she called a "B" you defend the accuser sounds familiar. Your not bearing with anything , she called me a "B" not you. Her problem was with what I said.
Romans 15:1-4
Accept One Another

1We who are strong ought to bear with the shortcomings of the weak and not to please ourselves. 2Each of us should please his neighbor for his good, to build him up. 3For even Christ did not please Himself, but as it is written: “The insults of those who insult You have fallen on Me.

And someone else told me to restrain my tongue , and I said nothing bad. I do not expect anything other than partiality. For I am dealing with not just one with shortcomings but the many. So I will choose to forgive you all. I know the game and that was not posted because you are concerned with all but rather you are really not about your neighbor ME, but rather those of your own house in shared belief of doctrines. Cest la vie. I choose to pray.

 

[mjrhealth]

Jesus MOST ASSUREDLY will give me a Victorious outcome.

So far all you done is quote the bible, you talk of covenant promise yet I rarely ever hear you mention His name, but than that goes for pretty much for those who worship the bible; more than Him, we have everything In Him when we are In Him and He is in us, if the bible is all you have than you have nothing.

 

[CovenantPromise]

I know I am right about the Mother of Christ, because all things blew up toward me with the mere mention of ANYTHING TRUE concerning her. This discussion got more than heated, it got vile and plotting , lots of insider conniving. Clearly, debate here means, only if we can win , will we play fair, but as soon as we see we will not, let us, ban together and plot. May God help you all. And all this provoked by one WOMAN and her name , and not even because of traditional fable doctrine either, but at truth that one is attempting to bring in peace , to set all right. Just a desire to share, love and test and prove my case with scripture providing correct doctrine.

But you must all already have all the answers. Clearly you do not believe scripture and prophecy and well, that NEW SONG. Simply put, it is ONLY for the few. No one has proved me wrong concerning- being born of Christ, receiving the Imperishable seed is an Immaculate Conception of the soul. Nor has anyone proven me wrong in- that the chosen Mother of Christ is the Immaculate Conception of the faith by conceiving in her Virgin womb Immaculately =by the Holy Spirit a pure clean conception, the Imperishable Seed who was made flesh by using her flesh becoming the WORD Incarnate . In my understanding He is the Christ so she Conceived Immaculately and birthed Christianity. After all He is our faith who we put our trust in. Well at least I know He is my faith . I will not speak for anyone else.

So starting with these precepts I presented , go ahead and prove those wrong. Once we have addressed that, I will show how she was taking up with Christ at His ascension as I was asked to, but one thing at a time. I know when I speak about her, everyone jumps on my every word , with deflection and all kinds of post to drown out my points calling me a liar or simply changing the subject all while responding to me . Yet this is called a Christian forum? What are you all afraid of? This is a debate, let all be weighed in the balance of scripture, not simply men's own opinions. If I am proven wrong I will thank you for edifying me.

But proof against me must come from scripture not opinion. That is what debate is, a discussion providing proof of ones claims, by presenting substantiated evidence to uphold claims. If that cannot be done with an open mind then make sure to rename the "Christian " debate forum 'ONLY IF MY GROUP CAN WIN "CHRISTIAN" DEBATE FORUM' .But that would be uneducated though wouldn't it?