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reminds me of a lady I met in Lowes hardware store. she was pulling a pallet full of tall shrubs in the middle of winter. All I did was comment how she looked like she was going home to do some work. Then she proceeded to say how much she hated her neighbor and the woman coming over all the time to borrow things. How she doesn’t trust the lady and thought of putting up a tall fence to keep them out. But decided to try planting a fence of trees first. She was bitter and intimidating ....so much I should have said but could only get out “the trees are not going to work.”
ha makes you wonder huh. someone determined to reach her i guess :)
 
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I dont fear tomorrow...
Wars, nation against nation, earthquakes, famine, pestilence, fearful sights and signs in the heavens, Jerusalem surrounded by armies, for those are the days of vengeance, 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
 

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well, we say that, yes, but i mean look i could go back prolly less than a page and dig up some quote, ok, like i just got done doing. Yes, you do have unrealized fears about tomorrow imo

No I dont...
 

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Lol. Okay, because I quote from mathew and rev, there's your proof positive that I'm fearful of tomorrow.
 

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Lol. Okay, because I quote from mathew and rev, there's your proof positive that I'm fearful of tomorrow.
i dont think it is a sin to admit that you have some fears about tomorrow sbg
yes, bc you expect m&r to literally manifest in the future via a divined outcome, and you quite likely have a bargain with death? just maybe? that may not stand ok. now i dont know, but i say beware ppl who have a bleak or apocalyptic outlook on the future. things are better now by any measure you care to name, and now is the best time of your life.
 
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i dont think it is a sin to admit that you have some fears about tomorrow sbg
yes, bc you expect m&r to literally manifest in the future via a divined outcome, and you quite likely have a bargain with death? just maybe? that may not stand ok. now i dont know, but i say beware ppl who have a bleak or apocalyptic outlook on the future. things are better now by any measure you care to name, and now is the best time of your life.

I think it is sin, not to admit you have fear and mistrust (that's you just being honest), but it is that fear and mistrust that I think is sin. Whatever is not from faith/trust is sin. Romans 14:23

But that's just what I think and how I see the verse.

As far as you thinking I've made a deal to cheat death, I'm okay with you having that opinion of me.
 
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but i say beware ppl who have a bleak or apocalyptic outlook on the future.

It's okay to talk about end times verses. They're in the bible. And it's okay to read what Jesus and John said about a coming dark time on earth. Because you see a bleak future for the earth and its systems does not mean you have no hope for a better future. I have great hope.

I do not agree with you that the world is better than it has ever been. People torture and beat their own children to death. They go to war and kill each other. They raise dogs for fighting each other to death and dump them in an alley when they are too damaged to fight anymore and are near death from their injuries. I see heartbreaking things every day. Not just in the news but with my own eyes, in my own neighborhood. If you say it is better than it has ever been, I say you are either blind or insulated by wealth.

You say you think I am the fearful one, because I read and believe it will get worse on earth before He comes again. I say you have stopped up your ears and eyes.
 
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And Bbyrd, when I posted that the only thing holding us back was fear/ mistrust/unbelief and I said: I say let's go take the land, you liked my post. So stop being fearful and set your mind to, not just trust sometimes and fear sometimes, but radical trust that others think is insane. Practice radical and insane trust. Three men did it in an oven. Surely you can do it outside of an oven. Ask Him for help in it. Admit your fears and weak trust and ask. He answers humility and honest admissions of weakness. In fact, His strength is made perfect in weakness. 2 Cor: 12:9
 
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As far as you thinking I've made a deal to cheat death, I'm okay with you having that opinion of me.
i dont really have any opinion of you, i dont think you have made a deal to cheat death so much as you have professed that that is what you believe you have done, that was more an invitation to address the Scripture that says that? So "I'm ok with..." is wadr irrelevant, seems to me?

Im ok with you being ok with me having that opinion of you too, ok, only you might address how it is not an opinion at all, it is what you are professing as a belief, basically? Widely shared, even?

I mean i recognize putting it as "death more abundantly" makes it less comfortable to address, but either you believe that you will experience another, better, possibly perfect "life" after you have literally died, or you do not, right? At least i used to?

"I came that you might have death, and more abundantly"
wouldnt this be a fair characterization of your current beliefs?
 
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I came that you might have death, and more abundantly"
wouldnt this be a fair characterization of your current beliefs?

No, I can't say that is a fair characterization of my beliefs. I can say it is a fair characterization of what you think of my current beliefs. You think anyone who looks forward with hope to no more tears, pain, sickness or death is a fool. Would that be a fair characterization of your current beliefs?
 

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It's okay to talk about end times verses. They're in the bible.
sure, i didnt mean to say that it wasnt ok to talk about them, i meant to say that end times are not in the future or tomorrow and that believers who divine using The Rev dont have a clue
I do not agree with you that the world is better than it has ever been.
thankfully we have unbiased and objective metrics for this, and neither of our opinions are very relevant i guess. All of the things you go on to mention have apparently improved and not gotten worse, dog fighting, bull dogging, bear baiting, these were all very recently conducted in public venues and admission was charged, incest was all but acceptable until 100 or so years ago in western society and is still widely practiced but at least widely condemned now, and etc forgot the rest. Or i mean find a metric that has deteriorated if you can, i notice violence is up since Trump, but still generally trending down, but anyway if you dont agree then why dont you agree, or so what, wadr. I dont agree that you are able to reason, in that case. I agree you are an emo queen, lol. Hopefully you see the point, i dont really believe those ok.
I see heartbreaking things every day. Not just in the news but with my own eyes, in my own neighborhood. If you say it is better than it has ever been, I say you are either blind or insulated by wealth.
well, i dont have any money, so it cant really be that. I would say that it is more likely where i focus, and i dont mean to disagree that there are not heartbreaking things that still occur, ok. I would turn the news off for sure, and maybe change some other habits, but i did those bc i felt like i had to, and they may not work for you. The eye is the lamp of the body right, so what you see is what you get i guess kinda, i dont deny that ppl still wallow, but im not interested in intervening or anything, when they get their fill they can leave the world too, or keep sucking it up far as im concerned. Somebody try to abuse me, i leave; somebody abuse them, they stay? No offense but "heartbreaking" is the cry of an ineffective 13 year old girl on her first period imo, i see something "heartbreaking" i either change it right then live or turn it off tv, as i am not interested in having my emotions, my eve, manipulated by others any longer; kittens and puppies is as far as i let that go now lol

so, imo you see heartbreaking things bc you go looking for them, i bet you even got a subscription or two prolly? But if not surely many in the world trying to sell you one, and no offense but you are a buyer after all, yeh? Or i am anyway
 
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sure, i didnt mean to say that it wasnt ok to talk about them, i meant to say that end times are not in the future or tomorrow and that believers who divine using The Rev dont have a clue
thankfully we have unbiased and objective metrics for this, and neither of our opinions are very relevant i guess. All of the things you go on to mention have apparently improved and not gotten worse, dog fighting, bull dogging, bear baiting, these were all very recently conducted in public venues and admission was charged, incest was all but acceptable until 100 or so years ago in western society and is still widely practiced but at least widely condemned now, and etc forgot the rest. Or i mean find a metric that has deteriorated if you can, i notice violence is up since Trump, but still generally trending down, but anyway if you dont agree then why dont you agree, or so what, wadr. I dont agree that you are able to reason, in that case. I agree you are an emo queen, lol. Hopefully you see the point, i dont really believe those ok.

Wadr, I disagree that I am an emo queen. I think you're the emo queen and I think it gets you into some trouble at times when you become angry with someone.
 

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already said i didnt really believe that, pls see the point.
opinions can be backed up in some way, or not
You say you think I am the fearful one, because I read and believe it will get worse on earth before He comes again.
well its good to hear you at least admitting it. It will only get worse for you i guess, until He comes again, that is my understanding also, yes. So i dont blame you for being fearful, worried etc about the future, and or even doing some divining about it, in your worry. If you think it will help any, bam set a date if you like. But i dont think it will help any, ok?

whereas stating a single area where the world has gotten worse might, being as how i doubt you can, but i could be wrong there ok? You might also try and Quote "Jesus Returning" which is what we turn "Christ revealed" into, right, bc i already know you cant do that either, and that may or may not reveal some insight into the matter, but as you say i might be deluded, i could be unbalanced, i might even be a moron, who knows, yes. ok dog is looking at me funny lol, holla back later k, and have a blessed day
 

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well, i dont have any money, so it cant really be that. I would say that it is more likely where i focus, and i dont mean to disagree that there are not heartbreaking things that still occur, ok. I would turn the news off for sure, and maybe change some other habits, but i did those bc i felt like i had to, and they may not work for you. The eye is the lamp of the body right, so what you see is what you get i guess kinda, i dont deny that ppl still wallow, but im not interested in intervening or anything, when they get their fill they can leave the world too, or keep sucking it up far as im concerned. Somebody try to abuse me, i leave; somebody abuse them, they stay? No offense but "heartbreaking" is the cry of an ineffective 13 year old girl on her first period imo, i see something "heartbreaking" i either change it right then live or turn it off tv, as i am not interested in having my emotions, my eve, manipulated by others any longer; kittens and puppies is as far as i let that go now lol

so, imo you see heartbreaking things bc you go looking for them, i bet you even got a subscription or two prolly? But if not surely many in the world trying to sell you one, and no offense but you are a buyer after all, yeh? Or i am anyway

I knew a woman like you once. If you said a certain movie was good, she wanted to know if anyone, person or animal, died in it. If they did, she refused to watch it because it would make her sad. So she lived happily off of her dead husbands retirement and savings and was glad that at least she had peace during her lifetime. Then her grandchild was beaten to death before her eyes. Its too bad she didn't know you, as you could have directed her to push a button on her remote.
 

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You think anyone who looks forward with hope to no more tears, pain, sickness or death is a fool. Would that be a fair characterization of your current beliefs?
if they believe those might only happen after they have literally died then i would certainly challenge them to support their beliefs here, but i have no beliefs about their beliefs, and they would imo be irrelevant if i did
 

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already said i didnt really believe that, pls see the point.
opinions can be backed up in some way, or not

Sigh...okay, I will try. War has always existed. You think it has not become worse but has become better, if anything. Yet it is only fairly recently that men could kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of people at once in war. You see it as better, I see it as worse. But that probably doesn't compute with your metrics system.
 

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well its good to hear you at least admitting it. It will only get worse for you i guess, until He comes again, that is my understanding also, yes. So i dont blame you for being fearful, worried etc about the future, and or even doing some divining about it, in your worry. If you think it will help any, bam set a date if you like. But i dont think it will help any, ok?

No matter how many times you say I am certainly fearful of the future, it still won't make it true. I believe you when you say you are fearful of the future I just don't understand why you insist everyone must be like you.