I don't believe I disputed that. I was dealing with another issue -- Preterism.This can only mean that he was eye witness of all that’s contained in this book.
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I don't believe I disputed that. I was dealing with another issue -- Preterism.This can only mean that he was eye witness of all that’s contained in this book.
First, thanks for the reply. second, I understand Jeremiah 31:31, not saying that you're right or wrong, but was not that covenant confirmed when our Lord died on the cross? for it was given unto Abraham in Faith, supportive scripture, Galatians 3:17 "And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.The passage of Hosea 6:2 can be linked to Exodus 20:4-6 and it contains the encouragement that after the third and the fourth "age/day of the lord" that God will raise up the nation of Israel once more and that they will live in His sight. Jeremiah 31:31ff also confirms that God will redeem Israel but after the passing of the third and the fourth "age/day of the Lord" of the existence of Israe
not saying that you're right or wrong, but how can Armageddon be, (as you say in about the next 25 years), which is interesting. how did you reach this conclusion?The question that needs to be answered is when does the third day begin in Hosea 6:2?
This can be answered by discerning when Israel will be saved and Paul tells us in Romans 11:25-26 that Israel will be save when the prophesised fulness of the period of the Gentiles trampling the Sanctuary of God and his host has run its full course over time. My understanding is that this will occur in our near future, in another 25 or so years time, when the nations will gather at the place known as Armageddon to be judged by God.
Well your question bring us to today's answer. we will stick with the bible truth as you said.What about God the Father, who is mentioned simply as "God", the one who gave Jesus His Revelation? Should we resort to Modalism, or stick with Bible truth?
You are in great error. Revelation 4:8 is a reference to the Person/Being of the Father, not the Son, as the Son does not even appear until Chapter 5, as "the Lamb". Notice:...
Evidence #2. Revelation 4:8 "And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which is, and which was, and which is to come”. Again the which is, and which was, and which is to come is the Lord God Almighty. ...
So clearly we see that him, “which art, and wast, and art to come“, it the Lord God Almighty. But is this JESUS?
Again, you are in great error.#2. him, the “Seven Spirits”. is this the Lord Jesus also?
Evidence #1. Revelation 3:1 "And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead”. We know that this is the Lord Jesus who is addressing the church in Sardis, and he, the “Lord” Jesus said that he has the “Seven Spirits”.
Evidence #2. Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth”. BINGO, “which are the seven Spirits of God ”. so it is the Lord JESUS. for he stood/resurrected.
Evidence #3. the one who have the seven Spirits is the Same one who is the First and the Last,
Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Revelation 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death". the omly one who was dead and live evermore is JESUS.
So the the one who have the seven Spirit is the First and the Last who is the Lord God Almighty.
...PICJAG.
First thanks for the reply. second, using the scripture that you gave, notice verse 11 there, Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Rev 4:9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
apparently you didn't read my post on that. but I'll answer you all in one, so having (possession?). Proverbs 8:22 "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old". so who possessed whom? but to clear up the matter, which I'm getting ahead of myself, in the 7 letters to the churches, who was addressing or speaking to the 7 churches. would you not agree that it was the Lord Jesus? correct, yes, but notice how each letter ends. "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches". but was it not the Lord Jesus who was speaking to the Churches? yes, the Lord Jesus is the Spirit, the Holy Spirit. and God is a "Spirit", is he not... see John 4:24a. BINGO, see how easy it is when one let the bible clear up any matter.Again, you are in great error.
Jesus, the "Lamb" (Revelation 5:6), is not the "seven Spirits of God", but rather is said to be "having" (possession of) the "seven Spirits of God", which when seen in Chiastic definition, is the "Spirit" (Revelation 22:17, see also Revelation 1:4, 4:5). The Holy Ghost/Spirit is "upon" Jesus, not that He (Holy Ghost) is Jesus. Jesus is not "upon" Himself, neither "having" Himself, neither "sen[ding]" Himself. The Holy Ghost/Spirit comes in Jesus' name (John 14:26), as His representative, "another" Comforter (John 14:16).
yet to come for you, maybe, for me maybe too, but if they are yet to come they will come for us just like they have for any other walking the path imo, where Christ is revealed? Imo we lament the world passing away in reading The Rev, bc we are still in the worldI think the last couple of chapters, or so, are yet to come.
^Revelation 1:3 "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand".
Simple. It's in the very verse you (and I) cited. It's a reference to those who serve God, returning unto God that which God gives them. God the Father is worthy of all authority /power by His very Character, which the Son manifested unto mankind, and the Holy Ghost reveals to the heart.First thanks for the reply. second, using the scripture that you gave, notice verse 11 there, Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
to receive something one must be given it. so if this is the one whom you calls the Father who sits on the throne, I would like to know who have "POWER" to give it to him, if he's the "ALMIGHTY?" so please furnish book chapter and vers as to who gave the "Father" POWER. for the Father has all power, which is what I thought, that's why he called the "ALMIGHTY". so when you can show me that scripture, as to who it was that gave the Father POWER, then I'll repent.
PICJAG.
no offense to...whomever, but obv bc he is deceived, and in fear?not saying that you're right or wrong, but how can Armageddon be, (as you say in about the next 25 years), which is interesting. how did you reach this conclusion?
You still cannot read in order.apparently you didn't read my post on that. but I'll answer you all in one, so having (possession?). Proverbs 8:22 "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old". so who possessed whom? but to clear up the matter, which I'm getting ahead of myself, in the 7 letters to the churches, who was addressing or speaking to the 7 churches. would you not agree that it was the Lord Jesus? correct, yes, but notice how each letter ends. "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches". but was it not the Lord Jesus who was speaking to the Churches? yes, the Lord Jesus is the Spirit, the Holy Spirit. and God is a "Spirit", is he not... see John 4:24a. BINGO, see how easy it is when one let the bible clear up any matter.
but if you have anything different please post it. and again thanks for the reply.
PICJAG.
where is the POWER given? ................ now you're on point here, Mat_28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth". now we're talking. see the Son was "GIVEN" Power, not the Father... see the difference now?Simple. It's in the very verse you (and I) cited. It's a reference to those who serve God, returning unto God that which God gives them. God the Father is worthy of all authority /power by His very Character, which the Son manifested unto mankind, and the Holy Ghost reveals to the heart.
1Sa_2:30 Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.
Even the Son, will return the "power"/"authority" given to Him from the Father, back to the Father:
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Mat_28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Joh_17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
1Co_15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co_15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
You did not address anything I stated, at all. Yet I have addressed you. You remain in error, and add even stubborness to your crimes.
I'm certain you are correct, and I surely do not see where you are heading with the exact same assertions you've made quite a number of times in your anti-trinity debates. Though the path be repeated 100 times, yet 101 may be different, let it be so!see, Mark you jump to these conclusion, not me. I just open it up.
PICJAG.
Ok, one last try, as I said we're not going to argue. if it is three then answer me this please. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made" this is the Lord Jesus the "WORD" as in John 1:1 correct, and Jesus is "Lord", right. and according to John 1:3 here "he made all things correct. ok Good listen to this, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself".You still cannot read in order.
Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Three "from".
The LORD (Father) which "possessed" (Proverbs 8) the Lamb (the Son) from eternity.
when did I say I was anti-trinity? just because I follow the bible. well this is why the book is called REVELATION, an unveiling of the truth. I told you this was not my intent. now if you have a problem with the scriptures, take it up with the Lord, he wrote it not I.I'm certain you are correct, and I surely do not see where you are heading with the exact same assertions you've made quite a number of times in your anti-trinity debates. Though the path be repeated 100 times, yet 101 may be different, let it be so!
Much Love!
He that reads, and they that hear and keep the words, as the letter is read to the church.Just one more scripture for today and we'll get ready for tomorrow. For the revelation starts in earnest, as to the knowing of this prophecy at verse 4.
Revelation 1:3 "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand".
many christian are afraid of the book of revelation because of... Revelation 22:18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book". adding here is to impose or force something unwelcome or unfamiliar to be accepted or put in place.
ADD: G2007 ἐπιτίθημι epitithemi (e-piy-tiy'-thee-miy) v.
to impose (in a friendly or hostile sense).
[from G1909 and G5087]
KJV: add unto, lade, lay upon, put (up) on, set on (up), + surname, X wound
so no one is forcing anything on anyone. that should take care of that.
Now the blessing to just hearing. as we discuss this book, in hearing we are blessed.
so be blessed.
PICJAG.