The New Covenant

[Waiting on him]

That kind of heresy against Christ The New Covenant is 'over the top'. Should never... be allowed on a Christian forum.

This is what you have when people look too men to tell them what they believe.

 

[Davy]

Well thank the Lord (literally) you are not the administrator of this forum else all truth would be stifled and nothing but the errors of the church nominal taught here.

Your comment here suggest you have very little understanding of the subject. As stated the True Church is not under the New Covenant but are when glorified to be made administrators with their Lord, as the Great Mediator to mediate this covenant with Israel first and through them to the rest of the world.

If you believe you are under the New Covenant then you can't be part of the True Church, but either of Israel or the world. Of course this covenant has not yet gone into effect as the Great Mediator of that covenant (the Church complete, both Head and body) is not yet complete.

Matt 26:26-28
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is My body.
27 And He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is My blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
KJV

You've already shown your true colors then, that you are not a true believer on Jesus Christ, because He is The New Covenant represented there by His Blood.

And you have no remission of sins either, since you don't believe The New Covenant is what Jesus offered there by His Own Blood. That is what it means to believe The New Covenant is not in effect today. And thinking that kind of idea shows a total... lack of understanding!

 

[Waiting on him]

Matt 26:26-28
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is My body.
27 And He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is My blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
KJV

You've already shown your true colors then, that you are not a true believer on Jesus Christ, because He is The New Covenant represented there by His Blood.

And you have no remission of sins either, since you don't believe The New Covenant is what Jesus offered there by His Own Blood. That is what it means to believe The New Covenant is not in effect today. And thinking that kind of idea shows a total... lack of understanding!

Also the drinking of this blood is the fellowship of His sufferings. If we’re drinking of His cup and eating His body then we are of this covenant.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The church which is His (Christ's) body is, 'the fulness of Him that filleth all in all,

With respect, Charity, Ephesians 1 speaks of "Christ given to the Church as Head", "20 HIM, God raised from the dead and set on His Own Right Hand ..

22c and HIM He gave as Head to the Church
[kai Auton edohken Kephalehn tehi Ekklehsiai]

23 WHICH (HEAD He gave) His Body (the Church) is
[HEHTIS] (Kephalehn edohken) To Sohma Autou (Ekklehsian) estin

THE ALL of the all in all things FULFILLING FULLNESS (OF GOD)."
to PLEHROHMA tou ta panta en pahsin PLEHROUMENOU (tou Theou).]

Not The Body, the Church, but The Head, the Given-as-Head-Christ, is "The Fullness".

 

[charity]

No, she is actually talking about a very... dangerous... idea that is not Biblical, but is heresy.

She is basically saying The New Covenant (Jesus Christ) is not with the Church, but 'will be' with Israel, pointing to the future. That basically is heresy, because our Lord Jesus Christ is... The New Covenant. And all those who have believed on The Father through Christ's Blood shed upon the cross are IN... The New Covenant right now. It ain't no 'will be' situation, The New Covenant is in effect right now, today, since Jesus died on the cross. That is why her belief is a heretical doctrine and if it were true would mean we all... are still under the old covenant.

But the hard truth those have a hard time receiving is that the old covenant indeed is DEAD.

Hello @Davy,

With respect to you, If you have anything to say 'about' me, then please say it to me personally, and not 'behind my back', though I can read it along with everyone else. You say that I am a heretic!!

I am not saying that Jesus Christ is not with the Church. That is a flagrant misuse of the New Covenant, as well as being a lie. The New Covenant is to be made with Israel in a yet future time now, because they failed to repent and recognise the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah and King during the period covered by the gospels and the Acts of the Apostles. So the New Covenant is in abeyance until the day when they do recognise Him in both capacities, according to the Old Testament prophets.

The Lord Jesus Christ is not 'The New Covenant', but the Mediator of it. It is you who are abusing Scripture by not getting your facts right.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Chris

 

[Nancy]

Thank you, still trying to wrap my small brain around all of this. I was of the understanding that I’m a child of God (born from above) if born of God then at some point there was a marriage
Or there’s other alternatives
God has children out of wedlock?
I’m not a child of God?

Hi Waiting!
I think we are the "betrothed" of Christ as the wedding hasn't happened yet?

Hello @Davy,

With respect to you, If you have anything to say 'about' me, then please say it to me personally, and not 'behind my back', though I can read it along with everyone else. You say that I am a heretic!!

I am not saying that Jesus Christ is not with the Church. That is a flagrant misuse of the New Covenant, as well as being a lie. The New Covenant is to be made with Israel in a yet future time now, because they failed to repent and recognise the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah and King during the period covered by the gospels and the Acts of the Apostles. So the New Covenant is in abeyance until the day when they do recognise Him in both capacities, according to the Old Testament prophets.

The Lord Jesus Christ is not 'The New Covenant', but the Mediator of it.

It saddens me to see that @Nancy has actually indicated her agreement by pressing the 'like' button.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Chris

Check it again Chris, it has been unliked as it was done by accident. I noticed when I went back to re read some of the posts...

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I couldn’t agree more, it’s like they were singing a new song.

I believe I understand your position now, not born of but adopted into the family?

Psalm 68:5-6 A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation. [6] God setteth the solitary in families: he bringeth out those which are bound with chains: but the rebellious dwell in a dry land.

Luke 4:18-19 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19] To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Jeremiah 49:10-11 But I have made Esau bare, I have uncovered his secret places, and he shall not be able to hide himself: his seed is spoiled, and his brethren, and his neighbours, and he is not. [11] Leave thy fatherless children, I will preserve them alive; and let thy widows trust in me.

“I have uncovered his secret places, and he shall not be able to hide himself”
John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.

Luke 2:34-35 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; [35] (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
...and rising again of many in Israel; for a sign (those of the promised seed. Not born after the flesh but raised of the SPIRIT children)

Has He not done what He said He would do? Leave thy fatherless children, I will preserve them alive; and let thy widows trust in me.

 

[charity]

With respect, Charity, Ephesians 1 speaks of "Christ given to the Church as Head", "20 HIM, God raised from the dead and set on His Own Right Hand ..

22c and HIM He gave as Head to the Church
[kai Auton edohken Kephalehn tehi Ekklehsiai]

23 WHICH (HEAD He gave) His Body (the Church) is
[HEHTIS] (Kephalehn edohken) To Sohma Autou (Ekklehsian) estin

THE ALL of the all in all things FULFILLING FULLNESS (OF GOD)."
to PLEHROHMA tou ta panta en pahsin PLEHROUMENOU (tou Theou).]

Not The Body, the Church, but The Head, the Given-as-Head-Christ, is "The Fullness".

With respect, Charity, Ephesians 1 speaks of "Christ given to the Church as Head", "20 HIM, God raised from the dead and set on His Own Right Hand ..

22c and HIM He gave as Head to the Church
[kai Auton edohken Kephalehn tehi Ekklehsiai]

23 WHICH (HEAD He gave) His Body (the Church) is
[HEHTIS] (Kephalehn edohken) To Sohma Autou (Ekklehsian) estin

THE ALL of the all in all things FULFILLING FULLNESS (OF GOD)."
to PLEHROHMA tou ta panta en pahsin PLEHROUMENOU (tou Theou).]

Not The Body, the Church, but The Head, the Given-as-Head-Christ, is "The Fullness".

'And hath put all things under His feet
and gave Him to be the head over all things
to the church which is His body
the fulness of Him that filleth all in all'
(Ephesians 1:22-23)

Hello @GerhardEbersoehn,

Thank you for this, I will check it of course, but if what you say is the correct reading of Ephesians 1:22-23, then I thank you for it.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The New Covenant is to be made with Israel in a yet future time now

The New Covenant is already there, as He said: Isaiah 10:4 Without me they shall bow down under the prisoners, and they shall fall under the slain. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

As He reached, With His hand stretched out still toward you and you “took hold of His peace” (Isaiah 27:4-5) ...so must they enter into the NC and take hold of His peace. Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

the vail done away with in Christ...until then there remains blindness.
2 Corinthians 3:13-17 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: [14] But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. [15] But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. [16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. [17] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

He came to preach “liberty” to the captives. The New Covenant is not the issue as many reach out and take hold and make peace with Him. The vail that remains is what prevents from entering, taking hold of the New Covenant.
Luke 13:34-35 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! [35] Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
^when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away: (the body of sins done away with in Christ)is the only way any can say “blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.

 

[Waiting on him]

Hi Waiting!
I think we are the "betrothed" of Christ as the wedding hasn't happened yet?

Check it again Chris, it has been unliked as it was done by accident. I noticed when I went back to re read some of the posts...

This covenant your all disputing is a marriage agreement. If you wish to say your not a part of it, then I have no choice but to say...... okay

 

[VictoryinJesus]

As He reached, With His hand stretched out still toward you and you “took hold of His peace” (Isaiah 27:4-5) ...so must they enter into the NC and take hold of His peace. Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

James 3:17-18 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. [18] And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make (take hold of) peace.

how can “the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace” of “them that take hold of peace”; without entering into the New Covenant; the removal of the body of sins (the vail) through the circumcision of Christ.

 

[Waiting on him]

James 3:17-18 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. [18] And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make (take hold of) peace.

how can “the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace” of “them that take hold of peace”; without entering into the New Covenant; the removal of the body of sins (the vail) through the circumcision of Christ.

The problem is for some He’s yet to lift the brides vail

 

[Waiting on him]

Hi Waiting!
I think we are the "betrothed" of Christ as the wedding hasn't happened yet?

Check it again Chris, it has been unliked as it was done by accident. I noticed when I went back to re read some of the posts...

I’ll pray he lifts the vail

 

[charity]

This covenant your all disputing is a marriage agreement. If you wish to say your not a part of it, then I have no choice but to say...... okay

Hello there, @Waiting on him,

With respect, the New Covenant which will be made with Israel, will replace the Old Covenant made with the children of Israel by God at Sinai. Would you please give the Scripture reference which tells us that this covenant is a marriage agreement.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chis

 

[Waiting on him]

Hello there, @Waiting on him,

With respect, the New Covenant which will be made with Israel, will replace the Old Covenant made with the children of Israel by God at Sinai. Would you please give the Scripture reference which tells us that this covenant is a marriage agreement.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chis

You gave it earlier,


Jeremiah 31:32 KJV
[32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord :


Tecarta Bible

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The problem is for some He’s yet to lift the brides vail

Psalm 85:10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.

 

[Waiting on him]

Psalm 85:10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.

That’s weird, the very thing on my mind before you posted.

 

[Waiting on him]

That’s weird, the very thing on my mind before you posted.

You may now kiss your bride.

 

[charity]

The problem is for some He’s yet to lift the brides vail

'Seeing then that we have such hope,
.. we use great plainness of speech:
.... And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face,
...... that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look
........ to the end of that which is abolished:
'But their minds were blinded:
.. for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away
.... in the reading of the old testament;
...... which vail is done away in Christ.
But even unto this day, when Moses is read,
.. the vail is upon their heart.
.... Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord,
...... the vail shall be taken away.
(2 Corinthians 3:12-16)

Hello @Waiting on him,

You were probably joking, but just in case you were not, the vail referred to in relation to Israel's blindness is not a marriage veil.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

the Old Covenant, which was made by God with Israel at Sinai,

<God made>, and the <Bible contains> NO <<Old Covenant, which was made by God with Israel at Sinai>>.You, in your own head, yes.