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There are people who claims to hear voice from God, but we are not to believe every spirit but test them and in this case, by the accepted scriptures by those that love Him to keep His words which I believe the Lord led me to confirm is the KJV when I had been using the NIV & NASB regularly. Again, only the Lord can confirm that to you, but the line of discernment regarding the lost books for why they are not in the Bible is because there were some verses that were running against scripture. Since no lie can be of the truth, that is why the lost books were not considered scripture.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.... 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
This part of your post I very much agree with.

The rest there is disagreement. If all you want to do is state your feelings and be done, consider your mission fulfilled. If you want to talk about things (both listen, back and forth) let me know.

So when someone is claiming God is speaking to him, that may very well be, but each one of us is called to prove all things by Him and to abstain from all appearances of evil.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Now the Catholics will defend the line of succession of supposedly infallible Pope in not teaching errors even though there were 7 Popes that were glaringly living in sin while in the service as the Pope. As much as they may argue that the Holy Spirit will keep them from teaching error, it is hypocritical of the Holy Spirit to not keep them from living in error or in sin and so the doctrine of the infallible Pope collapse on that basis.

Then there is Joseph Smith's doctrine of polygamy. In all that time that he claims he was using tongues with interpretation in the right way, the Holy Spirit never reproved him for it? For as important as the Book of Mormons is with any other books, for why they were necessary because of claims that the original scripture had been changed and whatever other reasons for why the church has gone astray for Mormonism to be the right way, has to become circumspect. Everything has to be proven by Him.

Even the things they had taught in my former church when Jesus says for believers not to make promises nor commitments because we cannot make ourselves good or to do good when we are living by faith in Jesus Christ to help us to do that and to be good. Of course, the only reasons promises got into the church for taking the office of deacons and elders was because they had unknowingly, many members that were of Freemasons. One time they were going to address the Masons in church, but when finding out how many there were that were Freemasons, they swept the issue of contention under the rug. It is no wonder to me why they followed blindly Billy Graham's commitment to follow Christ for the evidence of salvation and became the center for the Promise Keepers' program in the valley for all the churches to join in on.

Their conscience was defiled and they could not see the sins they were in for practicing by so many years in spite of verse 36 of Matthew 5:33-37.

Don't let that happen to you, sister. Do not be a defender of Mormonism or Joseph Smith, since we are all suppose to be defending the faith in Jesus Christ in serving Him by testifying of Him in seeking His glory which is to the glory of God the Father. If we are to be literally the latter day saints of Jesus Christ, then that is what we should do in relying on Him thru the Spirit in us to serve Jesus Christ and nothing else in His name in seeking the glory of. I know there is no such thing as a perfect church, but when they call evil, good, even though they don't do polygamy any more, something has to be way off for someone supposedly being a prophet from God to restore believers to the right way and he goes and teach that. For God to be so insistent on Smith to get Christian to go in the right way, He would not turn a blind eye to Smith going the wrong way in teaching others the same.

I'm not saying he is not saved, but it goes to show how people can be of the least in the kingdom of God when they teach others to break one of His commandments.

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Matthew 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I know a lot of Christian churches are allowing for divorces and not just for the cause of adultery either. My former church goes through all the trouble of putting hurdles in the path of those seeking to get married to make sure they are ready for marriage, but when it comes to divorce, hardly any hurdles at all once the couple decides for it. They should have been praying and fasting while separated fro a while for the Lord to bring them back together again, unless of course, one is an unbeliever, then they are free to get a divorce when the unbeliever is not content to live with her or him as the apostle Paul shared his thoughts on that which he believed the Lord did not command but permitted him to speak below.

1 Corinthians 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. 12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? 17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

Pray about it, sister. Hopefully, I have shared my concerns enough to show how we all are suppose to prove everything by Him with prayer.
 

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Ummmm, I never mentioned the OT Canon OR the Deuteroocanonical Books.
I told you that YOU and ALL of Protestantism adheres to a NEW Testament Canon that the was declared bu the Catholic Church. This is a CATHOLIC Tradition that YOU follow.

Well, at least a little clarity is given by you for how you meant that the Protestants were editing and rejecting books. Your little history lesson was before Martin Luthor, right? So not sure why you say the Protestants were doing that below in your quote.

As for the Deuterocanonical Books that you reject - you are rejecting the very Books that Jesus and the NT writers studied from.
There are some 200 quotes and references from these Books that are on the pages of the New Testament. Time for a history lesson . . .

Not long after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, a group of Rabbis asked permission from the Roman authorities to hold a Rabbinical school at Jabneh (or Jamnia). One of the things discussed was use of the Greek translation of the Old Testament (the Septuagint) by early Christians. The name, Septuagint", comes from the number of scholars (70) who translated the Hebrew texts into Greek.

At this gathering, they decided to eject 7 Books (and portions of Esther and Daniel) that they felt were “uninspired”. They provided a new Greek translation because the early Christians were converting the Jews using the Septuagint, which was compiled about 200 years before the birth of Christ. According to historical sources, the rabbinical gathering at Jabneh was not even an "official" council with binding authority to make such a decision. It can be clearly shown that Jesus and the Apostles studied and quoted from these 7 Book with some 200 references to them in the NT.

The main advocate for removing the 7 Deuterocanonical Books was Rabbi Akiva, who was also known for proclaiming that a man named Simon Bar Kohkba was the real Messiah during the 2nd Jewish revolt (circa 132 AD).

Yeah.. said bad guy was called Rabbi. Let's examine the Septuagint. From the link below as the following quotes from David W. Daniels;

Chick.com: What Is The "Septuagint"?

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  • The writer of this letter, Aristeas, claims to have been a Greek court official during the time of Philadelphus' reign. He claims to have been sent by Demetrius to request the best scholars of Israel to bring a copy of the Hebrew scriptures to Alexandria to start the Septuagint translation project. He even goes so far as to give names of Septuagint scholars, yet many of the names he gives are from the Maccabean era, some 75 years too late. Many of them are Greek names, definitely not the names of Hebrew scholars. There are many other evidences that this letter is from a different time period, and is thus a fake. The writer is lying about his identity.
  • The supposed "librarian," Demetrius of Phalerum (ca. 345-283) served in the court of Ptolemy Soter. Demetrius was never the librarian under Philadelphus.
  • The letter quotes the king telling Demetrius and the translators, when they arrived, how wonderful it was that they came on the anniversary of his "naval victory over Antigonus" (Aristeas 7:14). But the only such recorded Egyptian naval victory occurred many years after Demetrius death, so the letter is a fraud!
The Letter of Aristeas is a hoax that doesn't even fit the time period in which it claims to have been written. And since the other ancient writers merely add to this story, it is clear that the story itself of a pre-Christian Septuagint is a fraud. Even critical textual scholars admit that the letter is a hoax. Yet they persist in quoting the Letter of Aristeas as proof of the existence of the Septuagint before Christ." ~~~

Interesting, huh? Prove all things, brother.

BTW; I do not endorse everything Jack Chick as he believes Catholics are going to hell which I do not believe that. This is an example of me not following anyone blindly as I trust my Good Shepherd to confirm the word of truth in the KJV and He has in discerning good & evil by Him.

Also the area of Alexandria was known for poetic licensing and Gnosticism and so you really have to wonder about those books being rejected.

As it is, the Book of Esther & Daniel are in the KJV and so I am not sure why you would make that point of the rejection by Protestant as if they were following the earlier rejection when they are in there.

So, YOUR Protestant Father, Martin Luther chose to go with a POST-Christ, POST-Temple Canon of Scripture that was declared by a FALSE Prophet who proclaimed a FALSE “Christ”.

And THAT is who YOU chose to follow . . .

Hardly. I do not follow everything Luther had taught and since he did not reprove everything Catholic, the proof is that he still used the term sacraments, is why you cannot say I follow him. Indeed, I cannot recall any teaching of Luther at this time which goes to show He has led me to rely on His words rather than Luther's.
 

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This part of your post I very much agree with.

The rest there is disagreement. If all you want to do is state your feelings and be done, consider your mission fulfilled. If you want to talk about things (both listen, back and forth) let me know.

~~~Feel free to talk about it below, sister, & by the scriptures. God be willing, I shall be back, but if not, my point is for you to prove everything by Him rather than defend a church. We are called to defend our faith in Jesus Christ; not a church. A church can go astray, but He cannot.~~~

So when someone is claiming God is speaking to him, that may very well be, but each one of us is called to prove all things by Him and to abstain from all appearances of evil.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Now the Catholics will defend the line of succession of supposedly infallible Pope in not teaching errors even though there were 7 Popes that were glaringly living in sin while in the service as the Pope. As much as they may argue that the Holy Spirit will keep them from teaching error, it is hypocritical of the Holy Spirit to not keep them from living in error or in sin and so the doctrine of the infallible Pope collapse on that basis.

Then there is Joseph Smith's doctrine of polygamy. In all that time that he claims he was using tongues with interpretation in the right way, the Holy Spirit never reproved him for it? For as important as the Book of Mormons is with any other books, for why they were necessary because of claims that the original scripture had been changed and whatever other reasons for why the church has gone astray for Mormonism to be the right way, has to become circumspect. Everything has to be proven by Him.

Even the things they had taught in my former church when Jesus says for believers not to make promises nor commitments because we cannot make ourselves good or to do good when we are living by faith in Jesus Christ to help us to do that and to be good. Of course, the only reasons promises got into the church for taking the office of deacons and elders was because they had unknowingly, many members that were of Freemasons. One time they were going to address the Masons in church, but when finding out how many there were that were Freemasons, they swept the issue of contention under the rug. It is no wonder to me why they followed blindly Billy Graham's commitment to follow Christ for the evidence of salvation and became the center for the Promise Keepers' program in the valley for all the churches to join in on.

Their conscience was defiled and they could not see the sins they were in for practicing by so many years in spite of verse 36 of Matthew 5:33-37.

Don't let that happen to you, sister. Do not be a defender of Mormonism or Joseph Smith, since we are all suppose to be defending the faith in Jesus Christ in serving Him by testifying of Him in seeking His glory which is to the glory of God the Father. If we are to be literally the latter day saints of Jesus Christ, then that is what we should do in relying on Him thru the Spirit in us to serve Jesus Christ and nothing else in His name in seeking the glory of. I know there is no such thing as a perfect church, but when they call evil, good, even though they don't do polygamy any more, something has to be way off for someone supposedly being a prophet from God to restore believers to the right way and he goes and teach that. For God to be so insistent on Smith to get Christian to go in the right way, He would not turn a blind eye to Smith going the wrong way in teaching others the same.

I'm not saying he is not saved, but it goes to show how people can be of the least in the kingdom of God when they teach others to break one of His commandments.

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Matthew 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I know a lot of Christian churches are allowing for divorces and not just for the cause of adultery either. My former church goes through all the trouble of putting hurdles in the path of those seeking to get married to make sure they are ready for marriage, but when it comes to divorce, hardly any hurdles at all once the couple decides for it. They should have been praying and fasting while separated fro a while for the Lord to bring them back together again, unless of course, one is an unbeliever, then they are free to get a divorce when the unbeliever is not content to live with her or him as the apostle Paul shared his thoughts on that which he believed the Lord did not command but permitted him to speak below.

1 Corinthians 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. 12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? 17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

Pray about it, sister. Hopefully, I have shared my concerns enough to show how we all are suppose to prove everything by Him with prayer.
 

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~~~Feel free to talk about it below, sister, & by the scriptures. God be willing, I shall be back, but if not, my point is for you to prove everything by Him rather than defend a church. We are called to defend our faith in Jesus Christ; not a church. A church can go astray, but He cannot.~~~
I've done my homework, I assure you.

I'm also just anti-bashing anyone, and very pro listening and striving to understand.
 

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Well, at least a little clarity is given by you for how you meant that the Protestants were editing and rejecting books. Your little history lesson was before Martin Luthor, right? So not sure why you say the Protestants were doing that below in your quote.
Yeah.. said bad guy was called Rabbi. Let's examine the Septuagint. From the link below as the following quotes from David W. Daniels;
Chick.com: What Is The "Septuagint"?

~~~"
  • The writer of this letter, Aristeas, claims to have been a Greek court official during the time of Philadelphus' reign. He claims to have been sent by Demetrius to request the best scholars of Israel to bring a copy of the Hebrew scriptures to Alexandria to start the Septuagint translation project. He even goes so far as to give names of Septuagint scholars, yet many of the names he gives are from the Maccabean era, some 75 years too late. Many of them are Greek names, definitely not the names of Hebrew scholars. There are many other evidences that this letter is from a different time period, and is thus a fake. The writer is lying about his identity.
  • The supposed "librarian," Demetrius of Phalerum (ca. 345-283) served in the court of Ptolemy Soter. Demetrius was never the librarian under Philadelphus.
  • The letter quotes the king telling Demetrius and the translators, when they arrived, how wonderful it was that they came on the anniversary of his "naval victory over Antigonus" (Aristeas 7:14). But the only such recorded Egyptian naval victory occurred many years after Demetrius death, so the letter is a fraud!
The Letter of Aristeas is a hoax that doesn't even fit the time period in which it claims to have been written. And since the other ancient writers merely add to this story, it is clear that the story itself of a pre-Christian Septuagint is a fraud. Even critical textual scholars admit that the letter is a hoax. Yet they persist in quoting the Letter of Aristeas as proof of the existence of the Septuagint before Christ." ~~~

Interesting, huh? Prove all things, brother.

BTW; I do not endorse everything Jack Chick as he believes Catholics are going to hell which I do not believe that. This is an example of me not following anyone blindly as I trust my Good Shepherd to confirm the word of truth in the KJV and He has in discerning good & evil by Him.

Also the area of Alexandria was known for poetic licensing and Gnosticism and so you really have to wonder about those books being rejected.

As it is, the Book of Esther & Daniel are in the KJV and so I am not sure why you would make that point of the rejection by Protestant as if they were following the earlier rejection when they are in there.

Hardly. I do not follow everything Luther had taught and since he did not reprove everything Catholic, the proof is that he still used the term sacraments, is why you cannot say I follow him. Indeed, I cannot recall any teaching of Luther at this time which goes to show He has led me to rely on His words rather than Luther's.
"Proof" against the validity of the Septuagint - from chick.com??
And YOU expect me to take you seriously??

Jack Chick's work - aside from being garbage - is THE most debunked nonsense out there.
He fashioned his fairy tales about the Catholic Church around Alexander Hislop's schlock epic, "The Two Babylon" - a laughable and heavily-debunked work. In fact - it has been debunked by BOTH Catholic AND Protestant scholars alike.

Jack Chick was the Prime Minister of nonsense, which can also be illustrated from his "Alberto" series, which was based on the fictional tales of Alberto Rivera - a European con man who was chased out of Spain for check fraud and many other financial schemes.

The Jewish rabbinical councils of the late 1st century never questioned the validity of the Septuagint - just whether or not it was to be considered fully inspired. the manure that YOU'RE spreading came much later from anti-Catholic Protestants.

Nice try - but you're talking to an educated person here - not some gullible and historically-bankrupt rube.

Finally - you DO follow Maritn Luther to a certain extent - as do ALL Protestants.
Whether it is his inventions of Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone), Sola Fide (Faith Alone) - or the OT Canon that HE chose to follow . . .
 

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I've done my homework, I assure you.

I'm also just anti-bashing anyone, and very pro listening and striving to understand.

It is not abut the person as much as what they claim what they teach is from God. That you should prove by Him regardless of who it came from. Even from me, sister. No one is exempt if you want to abide in His words in following Him.
 

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It is not abut the person as much as what they claim what they teach is from God. That you should prove by Him regardless of who it came from. Even from me, sister. No one is exempt if you want to abide in His words in following Him.
I've done my homework, I assure you.
 

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"Proof" against the validity of the Septuagint - from chick.com??
And YOU expect me to take you seriously??


Apparently you have a hard time differentiating David W. Daniels from Jack Chick.


Jack Chick's
work - aside from being garbage - is THE most debunked nonsense out there.
He fashioned his fairy tales about the Catholic Church around Alexander Hislop's schlock epic, "The Two Babylon" - a laughable and heavily-debunked work. In fact - it has been debunked by BOTH Catholic AND Protestant scholars alike.

Jack Chick was the Prime Minister of nonsense, which can also be illustrated from his "Alberto" series, which was based on the fictional tales of Alberto Rivera - a European con man who was chased out of Spain for check fraud and many other financial schemes.

One more time; David W. Daniels is not Jack Chick. It would be better to refute what was quoted from him, rather than deflect.

The Jewish rabbinical councils of the late 1st century never questioned the validity of the Septuagint - just whether or not it was to be considered fully inspired. the manure that YOU'RE spreading came much later from anti-Catholic Protestants.

I head of a council of Jews that changed scripture to thwart Christians from using the O.T. in converting any more Jews by. Know them?

Nice try - but you're talking to an educated person here - not some gullible and historically-bankrupt rube.

I reckon it goes to who you believe. Jews has the changed scripture where they removed the sign of a virgin with child in the O.T. to thwart Christians from using the O.T. in converting the Jews. They have changed other words in scripture besides that one, but that is one example of proof of what that council did, albeit, I do not know if it is the same council you are referring to. Look at this report about the Book of Jasher.

Jasher

"The reason we have to say that it is not in the Book of Jasher as we have it today is because, unlike the Old Testament books, we have no access to any manuscript of Jasher dating before 100 AD. Why that date? Because the book we have is written in modern, square Hebrew characters without the vowel points. The earliest manuscripts from this time are also missing the vowel points. This points directly to Rabbi Akiba and his group's efforts to promote rabbinical leadership over Scripture. His group, referred to as the Council of Jamnia, wanted to produce a foundation copy of the Scriptures as the original had been burned by the Romans when Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed in 70AD. They made a number of changes in the Scriptures (which have come down to us as the Masoretic Text), and which are discussed in our article on the Alexandrian Septuagint. "

Finally - you DO follow Maritn Luther to a certain extent - as do ALL Protestants.
Whether it is his inventions of Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone), Sola Fide (Faith Alone) - or the OT Canon that HE chose to follow . . .

To a certain extent? Do you consider Catholics as Catholics still when following Catholicism to a certain extent when there are such a thing as cafeteria Catholics that do not believe everything Catholicism teaches?? If so, then I reckon you have to call all Protestants Catholics too, right? If not, then CC are not following the ONLY the traditions that has been received by the churches in the N.T. at all.
 

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Apparently you have a hard time differentiating David W. Daniels from Jack Chick.
One more time; David W. Daniels is not Jack Chick. It would be better to refute what was quoted from him, rather than deflect.

I head of a council of Jews that changed scripture to thwart Christians from using the O.T. in converting any more Jews by. Know them?

I reckon it goes to who you believe. Jews has the changed scripture where they removed the sign of a virgin with child in the O.T. to thwart Christians from using the O.T. in converting the Jews. They have changed other words in scripture besides that one, but that is one example of proof of what that council did, albeit, I do not know if it is the same council you are referring to. Look at this report about the Book of Jasher.

Jasher

"The reason we have to say that it is not in the Book of Jasher as we have it today is because, unlike the Old Testament books, we have no access to any manuscript of Jasher dating before 100 AD. Why that date? Because the book we have is written in modern, square Hebrew characters without the vowel points. The earliest manuscripts from this time are also missing the vowel points. This points directly to Rabbi Akiba and his group's efforts to promote rabbinical leadership over Scripture. His group, referred to as the Council of Jamnia, wanted to produce a foundation copy of the Scriptures as the original had been burned by the Romans when Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed in 70AD. They made a number of changes in the Scriptures (which have come down to us as the Masoretic Text), and which are discussed in our article on the Alexandrian Septuagint. "

To a certain extent? Do you consider Catholics as Catholics still when following Catholicism to a certain extent when there are such a thing as cafeteria Catholics that do not believe everything Catholicism teaches?? If so, then I reckon you have to call all Protestants Catholics too, right? If not, then CC are not following the ONLY the traditions that has been received by the churches in the N.T. at all.
The fact that the quote from Daniels can be found on Jack Chick's website is evidence that his fiction is approved by Chick and his minions.
That should have been a gigantic RED FLAG right there.

As I stated earlier - YOU adhere to an OT Canon that was declared by a non-authoritative, POST-Christ, POST-Temple rabbinical council headed by a FALSE Prophet (Akiva) who declared a FALSE Christ (Simon Kohkbar).

NONE of that concerns you??
 
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I've done my homework, I assure you.

I take it that you do not want to talk about it any further. That is your choice. Doesn't hurt to ask Jesus one more time if there isn't anything He wants to prune away from you so you can bear more fruit as His disciple.

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Have a nice day, sister.
 

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The fact that the quote from Daniels can be found on Jack Chick's website is evidence that his fiction is approved by Chick and his minions.
That should have been a gigantic RED FLAG right there.

It can only be a red flag if David W. Daniels says the same thing Jack Chick is saying for you to accuse him of that just because Jack Chick sells his book at his site.

How is this for a red flag?

Satan in the Vatican

"Father, the devil is in the mood for engaging in a decisive battle against the Blessed Virgin. And the devil knows what it is that offends God the most, and which in a short space of time will gain for him the greatest number of souls. Thus the devil does everything to overcome souls consecrated to God, because in this way the devil will succeed in leaving the souls of the faithful abandoned by their leaders, thereby the more easily will he seize them."

"That which afflicts the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Heart of Jesus is the fall of religious and priestly souls. The devil knows that religious and priests who fall away from their beautiful vocation drag numerous souls to hell. … The devil wishes to take possession of consecrated souls...."
(Sr. Lucia of Fatima to Fr Fuentes on Dec, 26th, 1957 in her last interview)
Has Satan reigned in the Vatican for the last 40-50 years?
Even Paul VI admitted that he believed Satan was present in the Church in his sermon of June 29th, 1972 stating: “from some fissure the smoke of Satan has entered into the temple of God.”

Find out why Fr. Luigi Villa believes that Satan is really in the Vatican. ..."

Not quite the church where the gates of hell shall not prevail against.

As I stated earlier - YOU adhere to an OT Canon that was declared by a non-authoritative, POST-Christ, POST-Temple rabbinical council headed by a FALSE Prophet (Akiva) who declared a FALSE Christ (Simon Kohkbar).

Guilt by association is not going to work when the Book of Esther & Daniels is in the King James Bible and accepted as scripture.

Calvin supported the execution of a heretic but Jesus testified that any believer that does that does not know Him nor the Father that sent Him, John 16:1-3, but scripture can prove OSAS as it can prove that a believer can miss out on their inheritance of being of the firstfruits of the resurrection.

John 16:1These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

Makes you wonder about all those Catholics in the Spanish Inquisitions, huh?

NONE of that concerns you??

We are to prove everything with Jesus Christ through the scripture; does not matter who it is. A Catholic can speak 9 things about Catholicism and put in one lie, and what? You are going to dismiss all of Catholicism because someone misrepresent the CC? So be careful that you do not pass a standard of judgment you cannot come back from.

All kinds of people, sinners, babes in Christ, "mature" in Christ, and whatever, can have access to the scripture and misapply His words or change His words or drop His words for why we are to prove everything by Him.

I trust the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal Good Shepherd. Who do you trust? Your priest? Your Pope? Your Catholic Church? That is not the same thing as trusting Jesus Christ as your personal Good Shepherd. I hope you know that.
 
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It can only be a red flag if David W. Daniels says the same thing Jack Chick is saying for you to accuse him of that just because Jack Chick sells his book at his site.

How is this for a red flag?

Satan in the Vatican

"Father, the devil is in the mood for engaging in a decisive battle against the Blessed Virgin. And the devil knows what it is that offends God the most, and which in a short space of time will gain for him the greatest number of souls. Thus the devil does everything to overcome souls consecrated to God, because in this way the devil will succeed in leaving the souls of the faithful abandoned by their leaders, thereby the more easily will he seize them."

"That which afflicts the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Heart of Jesus is the fall of religious and priestly souls. The devil knows that religious and priests who fall away from their beautiful vocation drag numerous souls to hell. … The devil wishes to take possession of consecrated souls...."
(Sr. Lucia of Fatima to Fr Fuentes on Dec, 26th, 1957 in her last interview)
Has Satan reigned in the Vatican for the last 40-50 years?
Even Paul VI admitted that he believed Satan was present in the Church in his sermon of June 29th, 1972 stating: “from some fissure the smoke of Satan has entered into the temple of God.”

Find out why Fr. Luigi Villa believes that Satan is really in the Vatican. ..."

Not quite the church where the gates of hell shall not prevail against.

Guilt by association is not going to work when the Book of Esther & Daniels is in the King James Bible and accepted as scripture.

Calvin supported the execution of a heretic but Jesus testified that any believer that does that does not know Him nor the father that sent Him, John 16:1-3, but scripture can prove OSAS as it can prove that a believer can miss out on their inheritance of being of the firstfruits of the resurrection.

John 16:1These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

Makes you wonder about all those Catholics in the Spanish Inquisitions, huh?

We are to prove everything with Jesus Christ through the scripture; does not matter who it is. A Catholic can speak 9 things about Catholicism and put in one lie, and what? You are going to dismiss all of Catholicism because someone misrepresent the CC? So be careful that you do not pass a standard of judgment you cannot come back from.

All kinds of people, sinners, babes in Christ, "mature" in Christ, and whatever, can have access to the scripture and misapply His words or change His words or drop His words for why we are to prove everything by Him.

I trust the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal Good Shepherd. Who do you trust? Your priest? Your Pope? Your Catholic Church? That is not the same thing as trusting Jesus Christ as your personal Good Shepherd. I hope you know that.
Regarding the ridiculous charges by Daniels - Jack Chick ONLY associated with those who agreed with him.
He was a strange recluse who kept to himself until the day he died because he was afraid of being exposed.

As for the Spanish Inquisitions - you really need to do your homework there.
Suffice it to say - they were a state-run venture. Even then, their exploits have been ridiculously exaggerated by the likes of Jack Chick and other ignorant anti-Catholics..
 

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NOT according to Jesus, Einstein . . .

John 21:15-19
When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “FEED MY LAMBS.”
He then said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “TEND MY SHEEP.”
He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” [Jesus] said to him, “FEED MY SHEEP.
Amen, amen, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to dress yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.”
He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when he had said this, he said to him, “Follow me.”



"FEEDING" and "TENDING" sheep . . .
Gee - isn't that what a SHEPHERD does?
Is the food server automatically the owner of the restaurant?

Sounds like a hostile takeover.

Jesus said there is only one shepherd...himself.

You think there are many?
 

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You're not paying attention again, Einstein.

YOU
said that the Pope writes the New Testament "hourly".
I said - show me an example of this.

CAN you do that??
I didn't think so . . .
You say the Pope speaks God’s word when he speaks.
We are still in NT times.
Catholics think the Pope creates new laws for God....for God’s church.
Crazy, huh?
 

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No, they are trying to lead Jesus’ sheep by proxy, unlike me
So you're not trying to lead, and will happily celebrate another person's relationship with Christ, even when their beliefs differ in what you feel are important ways?

Or will you try to correct such a person?
 

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Regarding the ridiculous charges by Daniels - Jack Chick ONLY associated with those who agreed with him.
He was a strange recluse who kept to himself until the day he died because he was afraid of being exposed.

As for the Spanish Inquisitions - you really need to do your homework there.
Suffice it to say - they were a state-run venture. Even then, their exploits have been ridiculously exaggerated by the likes of Jack Chick and other ignorant anti-Catholics..

Guess we will find out one day when we come face to face with Jesus Christ.
 
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So you're not trying to lead, and will happily celebrate another person's relationship with Christ, even when their beliefs differ in what you feel are important ways?

Or will you try to correct such a person?
Just pointing folks back to Pentecost(Acts 2).
That is all I set out to do in my evangelism endeavors for 40 years.
I want folks to see the original Church of Acts, not today’s poor imitation of it.
The Church of Pentecost was known by a certain doctrine and certain experience that is foreign to most movements today.
Even those that embrace Acts 2:38 have numerous bad doctrines that have their roots in the RCC.
The closest Church to the original is still in the reformation process.
This is what forum-ing should be all about.
 

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Just pointing folks back to Pentecost(Acts 2).
That is all I set out to do in my evangelism endeavors for 40 years.
I want folks to see the original Church of Acts, not today’s poor imitation of it.
The Church of Pentecost was known by a certain doctrine and certain experience that is foreign to most movements today.
Even those that embrace Acts 2:38 have numerous bad doctrines that have their roots in the RCC.
The closest Church to the original is still in the reformation process.
This is what forum-ing should be all about.
In my experience most people whom say "I only want them to follow God/the Bible, no human teachers" only holds true until another person has a different interpretation of things. Then the tune changes to "no on- listen to how I explain things, not how you read scriptures or feel God calling you."

Which makes the whole "you shouldn't have human teachers" argument very hypocritical.
 

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In my experience most people whom say "I only want them to follow God/the Bible, no human teachers" only holds true until another person has a different interpretation of things. Then the tune changes to "no on- listen to how I explain things, not how you read scriptures or feel God calling you."

Which makes the whole "you shouldn't have human teachers" argument very hypocritical.
No, we need human teachers, but honest teachers.
Take tithing for the NT church for instance.
It is a massive fraud perpetrated on the post Apostolic Church.
It must be eradicated, so someone must speak out about it....another teacher that is.
Everything is up for debate, but it is the audience that is actually on trial.