But to accept that the witch, and Saul were not deceived, one has to accept as Truth what Satan said in the garden. You shall not surely die
one does? Why? its early, maybe im missing it. And being as how that is true per se anyway, how hard is that? And who says the Witch and Saul were not deceived, regardless? Like only in a diff way maybe?
You're saying that iyo that negates or somehow supercedes where Scripture plainly tells us "
Samuel said?"
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Either Samuel was dead, and knew nothing as scripture elsewhere declares, or he wasn't dead but very much alive and knew everything.
ergo what
Scripture says of Samuel,
Who is it that disturbs my rest? cannot be true? Are you sure those are our only two choices? No qualifications? Willing to bet your life on that, are you? Bc imo it is hardly as if this were the only um nail in that coffin bro.
What really is "eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge," again? iyo?
anyway i dont see how the first option has been violated any, Saul's end was pretty much defined by his actions, seems to me; so not like Samuel was ezackly making any amazing predictions or anything?
Was even still in touch with God and prophecied on his behalf even after "death" despite God refusing to speak to Saul the day before. Wow. What wonderful influence witches have with God yeah?
hey, not saying i would have written that into our
Scripture, but apparently Yah did, so i mean what are you really saying there? Scripture is in error, that passage should have been exised, what? How slippery is that slope?
but fwiw nowhere can i Find "it is not possible to communicate with the dead," i can only find "dont do it."
You may think I'm interpreting that passage according to my understanding of the state of the dead born from elsewhere. You are right. It is. And that understanding comes from numerous passage of scripture throughout the Bible that teaches witchcraft as an abomination...
so how has that been violated in that passage, witchcraft can still be an abomination, just one that Saul participated in, yes? Actually theres a whole diff story line here, with ourselves as Saul, but dont wanna get into that here i guess
That teaches God is consistent in righteousness and Holiness... That teaches as absurd that a great prophet of God is under the authority of a witch to speak to an apostate lost King... That teaches that the dead are most surely dead and
i might agree @ "absurd," not that my agreement amts to anything, but we are not told that Samuel was under her authority anyway? As far as we know he could have told them both to sod off if he wanted, seems to me?
Anyway how does any of this refute "
Samuel said?"
KJV
Ecclesiastes 9
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the
dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished;
neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
ok, so then iyo which Scripture is incorrect, or which Scripture is lying or whatever?
and, when youre all done here, will you toss all of the supporting Scripture, too?
bc as i said we are not really having to consider this in a vacuum, as you have noted, except you have only invoked vv that seem to support your pov and not the other ones so far, yeh? Which i gotta say that i dont really see how those have been violated anyway, Samuel didnt stay for dinner, and Samuel didnt predict anything or "know" anything that pretty much anyone alive could not have predicted? at least imo
