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Truther

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Gee - and I thought you anti-Catholic geniuses stated that Jesus forbade us to call ANYONE a "Teacher" (Matt. 23:7).

Ummmm, what happened to that??
You are officially disqualified as an honest teacher.
Shame on you, Roman Catholic
 

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Ahhhhh, more of your patented ignorance.

The Pope doesn't "make up new laws", Einstein.
He defines what the church has always believed and taught.

Didn't you ever teach your kids to do their homework?
Maybe YOU should have taught them by example . . .
The Pope to Roman Catholicism is God’s Oracle on earth.
Crazy stuff
 

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And as I proved to you before, Einstein - that's NOT what Jesus said . . .

John 21:15-19
When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “FEED MY LAMBS.”
He then said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “TEND MY SHEEP.”
He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” [Jesus] said to him, “FEED MY SHEEP.
Amen, amen, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to dress yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.”
He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when he had said this, he said to him, “Follow me.”


In case you didn't know - "feeding lambs" and "tending sheep" - that's the job of a shepherd . . .
Feeding Jesus’ sheep qualifies us as shepherd also?

He clearly said there was only 1 Shepherd(Himself).

He said “My sheep hear my voice”, so now his voice is someone else?

Did he stutter?

Are you into multiple shepherdism?
 

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That’s right - only the Church’s bishops are entrusted and empowered to provide the correct interpretation of Scripture. This not only ensures that the faithful receive the correct teaching, it ensures unity, which is a sign of the true Church. The chaotic disunity that results from individual interpretations of Scripture cannot possibly be the work or the will of God, since God is not the author of “confusion” (1Cor 14:33).

Wasn't Jack Chick one of those entrusted bishops before he bailed on the CC?

Jesus is the Good Shepherd who works through his Church to lead and protect his flock from false teaching. Eph 4:4-16 says Christ has provided the gift of the CHURCH (v.11) to “equip the saints … until we all attain the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood … so that we may no longer be children, tossed back and forth and carried along by every wind of doctrine.”
There is no mention of Scripture in that entire passage, let alone any suggestion of relying on one’s own interpretation of Scripture.

How come the CC does not acknowledge what the apostle John has acknowledge for little children?

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth......... 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
 

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1John 5:16 states that there are “deadly” sins. A “deadly” sin is presumably a sin that is so serious that it can lead to spiritual death and endanger one’s hope of salvation. So a “deadly” sin can mean the difference between going to Heaven or ending up in Hell, yet the NT doesn’t explain what these “deadly” sins are. If you rely simply on Scripture, you have no way of knowing what “deadly” sins are, so disciples of Sola Scriptura are like blind men wandering around in a mine field, hoping they don’t step on something “deadly”. How do you know you are not committing a “deadly” sin (or two), if you have no idea what they are?

Catholics know what “deadly” sins are, because their Church teaches them what the Scriptures fail to.

Not sure how that answers the question of what the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes is as the CC would explain it, but unto your quote.

There is no spiritual death for a believer, but a physical death for sowing to the works of the flesh. If you build on that foundation, wood, stubble, and hay, which are the works of the flesh ( btw heresy is one of them ) a believer is defiling the temple of God. If he does not look to Jesus Christ for help to lay aside every weight & sin, he will reap corruption and die a physical death for defiling the temple of God. If we go to how He will judge that believer, we see in verse 15 of 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 that the spirit is still saved, but the body which is the temple of God is destroyed.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

This is why the church at Thyatira was warned to repent before the Bridegroom comes or be cast into the bed of the coming great tribulation where they will die a physical death & miss our on the firstfruits of the resurrection to be resurrected later on after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House.

Romans 12:1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Revelations 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

I still point out that the CC has not held fast to the traditions laid out for us in the N.T. but have added to His words in making communion more than what it is supposed to be done for as He said only this in regards to why for doing it; "do this in remembrance of Me".

How you applied 1 John 5:16 is only referring to physical death, but only God can help you see that truth in His words.

Romans 6:6 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?...23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
 

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So what. That doesn't prove Satanists are RUNNING the Vatican. It's interesting that you accept one line from a late interview from Sr. Lucia, but reject the message of Fatima. You should find out what that message is, instead of fear mongering misrepresentations of Paul VI.

And the gates of hell shall not prevail against? I would think Satan cannot get in there at all if you were applying His words to mean the CC rather than Himself as the chief cornerstone. Paul said so in the 1st epistle to the Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
 

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OR, you wouldn't have to wait if you would simply do your homework on Jack Chick and his bizarre life and beliefs . . .

I disagree with Jack Chick when he says all Catholics are going to hell. How's that for homework by the scripture in proving all things with His help?
 

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Feeding Jesus’ sheep qualifies us as shepherd also?
He clearly said there was only 1 Shepherd(Himself).
He said “My sheep hear my voice”, so now his voice is someone else?
Did he stutter?
Are you into multiple shepherdism?
Ummmmm, where did Jesus say, "I am the 'ONLY' shepherd."

Chapter and Verse, Einstein . . .
 

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I disagree with Jack Chick when he says all Catholics are going to hell. How's that for homework by the scripture in proving all things with His help?
Sooooo, if you admit that Chick lied about that - WHY would you trust him about anything else??
 

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You are officially disqualified as an honest teacher.
Shame on you, Roman Catholic
And YOU officially screwed up your Scriptural condemnations . . .
The Pope to Roman Catholicism is God’s Oracle on earth.
Crazy stuff
TRANSLATION:
"You caught me in another lie - and now I have NO recourse."

Par-for-the-course, Einstein . . .
 

Enow

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Sooooo, if you admit that Chick lied about that - WHY would you trust him about anything else??

So when Jack Chick says Jesus Christ is the Savior, you would dismiss that as well? No, you would not.

I prove everything by the scripture in the KJV with Jesus Christ since He is my Good Shepherd.
 

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And YOU officially screwed up your Scriptural condemnations . . .

TRANSLATION:
"You caught me in another lie - and now I have NO recourse."

Par-for-the-course, Einstein . . .
If you would quote scripture only, and not some past Pope, you might qualify for partial truth.
Try it, as hard as it is, to spend a day without reading extra Biblical commentary.
No preservatives added.
 

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Ummmmm, where did Jesus say, "I am the 'ONLY' shepherd."

Chapter and Verse, Einstein . . .
John 10...
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.


Right?
 

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If you would quote scripture only, and not some past Pope, you might qualify for partial truth.
Try it, as hard as it is, to spend a day without reading extra Biblical commentary.
No preservatives added.
Funny you should say that because in our conversations - I've only quoted Scripture when making a theological point.
I've quoted history when making an historical point.

Learn the difference, Einstein . . .
 

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John 10...
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Right?
Okay - now show me the verse when Jesus says He is the "ONLY Shepherd".

Still waiting . . .
 

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So when Jack Chick says Jesus Christ is the Savior, you would dismiss that as well? No, you would not.
I prove everything by the scripture in the KJV with Jesus Christ since He is my Good Shepherd.
No - anything that can be proven by Scripture is okay.
It's the rubbish he says that CAN'T be proven by Scripture, like "Catholics aren't saved" - and there's PLENTY of that nonsense in his tracts . . .
 

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No - anything that can be proven by Scripture is okay.
It's the rubbish he says that CAN'T be proven by Scripture, like "Catholics aren't saved" - and there's PLENTY of that nonsense in his tracts . . .

Okay then. I can believe Jack Chick when he says Jesus Christ is the Savior, ( not that he is the one for why I believe ) BUT I am free to reprove what he says about how Catholics are not saved & going to hell by the scripture. The same goes for any book by other authors sold at his site.

That is how you and I are to prove everything by scripture. Doesn't matter who it is, they can say nine truths and slip in one lie or error, we have to prove everything with Him by the scripture as kept by those who loved Him & His words in the KJV , and that includes proving or reproving everything the Catholic Church teaches.
 

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Okay - now show me the verse when Jesus says He is the "ONLY Shepherd".

Still waiting . . .
Try grasping this, good RCC shepherd....



4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.



Question for any of you shepherds out there....

Are you also a shepherd of God's sheep and are you a good, or bad shepherd?
 

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Funny you should say that because in our conversations - I've only quoted Scripture when making a theological point.
I've quoted history when making an historical point.

Learn the difference, Einstein . . .
You are half way there.

Now ban fake news history and go cold turkey...sola scripture.

You will get withdrawals at the first couple of months, but will notice a change in your attitude towards the Bible in time.

Withing 6 months you will ban those silly commentaries and tote your Bible around all fired up about it.
 

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Man the bashing here!!!

Yuck, this doesn't bring anyone closer to Christ.

Let's stop bashing Protestants, Catholics, etc, and instead focus on the Light of Christ.