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[Truther]

Truther,
I'm done with this forum of crazy catholics like Bread of Death and MaryGog.
Jesus said shake their dust...
So you can keep trying to get through their popery nonsense brainwashing but I've had enough.
Goodbye and I hope you get Raptured and can watch these catholics burn.

Oh, come on!

These guys are a blast. You are looking at the arguments all wrong.

This is like a ping pong tournament, but they are serving feathers...LOL

 

[Truther]

Time for another linguistics lesson . . .

From Macmillan Dictionary:

1. REPRESENTING someone or something
Ex. - They said they came “in the name of peace.”

From Cambridge Dictionary:
1. REPRESENTING someone or something
Ex. - "Open up in the name of the law" before they broke the door down.

From Thesaurus.com:
“In the name of” synonyms
1. THROUGH
2. THROUGH the agency of
3. Under the AUTHORITY of

From english.stackesxhange.com:
What does “in the name of…” actually mean?
Putting all religious contentions aside for the sake of our language, the etymology of name offers a good place to start understanding:

Old English nama, noma "name, reputation,"
from Proto-Germanic *namon

(cognates: Old Saxon namo, Old Frisian nama, Old High German namo, German Name, Middle Dutch name, Dutch naam, Old Norse nafn, Gothic namo "name"),

from PIE *nomn- (cognates: Sanskrit nama; Avestan nama; Greek onoma, onyma; Latin nomen; Old Church Slavonic ime, genitive imene; Russian imya; Old Irish ainm; Old Welsh anu "name").

In all cultures, people of authority have always lent their reputation and their authority to their delegates. The founders and leaders of religious movements use the same delegation strategies as the founders and leaders of nations.
The English phrase in the name of simply asserts the reputation and authority of another person.

Here us an example from classic literature:
Victor Hugo's “Dramas” 1519, page 364:
“Richard Varney, in the name of God and Saint George we dub thee knight!”

This doesn’t state God’s “Singular name” as YOU keep insisting it must.

So, you see, Einstein – what I have been telling you ALL ALONG is correct.
What Peter said in Acts 2:238 was simply to be Baptized by the AUTHORITY OF Jesus Christ.

'You see Truther, RCC commentary trumps your Bible every time".

"Acts 2:38 is subjective, so obey the Pope of Rome instead".


LOL

 

[Truther]

Time for another Bible lesson . . .

The Father is GOD - But He is NOT the Son or the Holy Spirit.
The Son is GOD - but He is NOT the Father or the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is GOD - but He is NOT the Father or the Son.

God is manifest as THREE distinct Persons with THREE distinct Roles.
The Father sent the Son and the holy Spirit proceeds from the Father AND the Son.

Unfortunately - I don't have a SINGLE verse of Scripture to support this.
I have about THREE DOZEN . . .

Gen. 1:26, Matt. 28:19, John 15:26, 1 Cor. 12:4-6, 2 Cor. 13:14, 1 John 5:7, Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, Isa. 63:16, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13, Isa. 7:14, Isa. 9:6, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 15:9, John 20:28, Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor. 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Tit. 2:13, John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

The Roman Catholic is flabbergasted that the Father spoke THROUGH His only begotten son.

"How dare He", says the Pope.


19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,....



"He dares", says Truther.

 

[Truther]

Jesus NEVER said to Baptize in the "single name" of the Son.
He said to Baptize in the name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT (Matt. 18:19).

How many more posts until this finally sinks in??

Jesus said to baptize in the name of the Son.

What is the name of the Son?

Do YOU baptize in the name of the Son?

If not, why not?

 

[Truther]

Jesus IS God - even if your heresy doesn't allow you to believe it.

Yes, Jesus is God.
He was made God after he resurrected, not "God died".

The RCC serves a once microscopic, sperm cell God.

 

[RogerDC]

He was a virulent liar and anti-Catholic cartoonist who had a multi-million dollar empire from his "Bible" tracts.
He was really big in the 70's and seduced a LOT of people away from the Church.

He's dead now.

So when he died, Satan said to him "Well done, good and faithful servant ... Enter into the joy of your master."
Dopey Jack got a shock, coz all along he thought he was serving Christ.

 

[RogerDC]

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Are they good shepherds too?

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.


There is more than one shepherd?

You need to think about the implications of Eph 1:22-23, which says the Church is the "fullness" of Christ. It implies that if Christ is our Shepherd, so is his Church. It's not a difficult concept to understand.

 

[RogerDC]

The protestant church was started 2,000 years ago by Jesus????

Do tell....what was Jesus protesting???

Maybe Jesus was protesting that he installed Peter as "this rock" in Matt 16:18.

 

[RogerDC]

Truther,
I'm done with this forum of crazy catholics like Bread of Death and MaryGog.
Jesus said shake their dust...
So you can keep trying to get through their popery nonsense brainwashing but I've had enough.
Goodbye and I hope you get Raptured and can watch these catholics burn.

No, don't go! We have been thoroughly enjoying your very intelligent and entertaining comments!

 

[RogerDC]

Oh, come on!

These guys are a blast. You are looking at the arguments all wrong.

This is like a ping pong tournament, but they are serving feathers...LOL

r1xlx tapped out early. What a wimp. At least you're up for a fight ... even though you've yet to land a punch..

 

[RogerDC]

Jesus said to baptize in the name of the Son.

What is the name of the Son?

"the Son"

 

[RogerDC]

Yes, Jesus is God.
He was made God after he resurrected, not "God died".

How come the mother of Jesus is called "the mother of my Lord" in Luke 1:43?

Mary is the mother of God? How can that be? That makes sense only if her son, Jesus, is "my Lord" - ie, God.

 

[Truther]

How come the mother of Jesus is called "the mother of my Lord" in Luke 1:43?

Mary is the mother of God? How can that be? That makes sense only if her son, Jesus, is "my Lord" - ie, God.

He is made Lord on earth and made God after resurrecting.

God cannot be killed, but a lord can.

 

[Truther]

"the Son"

The name of the son of God is "son"?

Is son your name. son?

 

[Truther]

r1xlx tapped out early. What a wimp. At least you're up for a fight ... even though you've yet to land a punch..

.....as the Catholic is lying on his back on the mat, seeing Mary with stars circling her head..

 

[Truther]

You need to think about the implications of Eph 1:22-23, which says the Church is the "fullness" of Christ. It implies that if Christ is our Shepherd, so is his Church. It's not a difficult concept to understand.

Again, you debunk Jesus Christ.

He says that he is THE good shepherd, which leaves only bad shepherds.

He said there is only 1 shepherd, which leaves only thieves and imposters.

But, if you want his flock, so be it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

'You see Truther, RCC commentary trumps your Bible every time".

"Acts 2:38 is subjective, so obey the Pope of Rome instead".

In other words - the linguistic evidence I presented destroys your entire position about Baptizing "in the name of" Jesus Christ.

Game.
Set.
MATCH.

 

[BreadOfLife]

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
The Roman Catholic is flabbergasted that the Father spoke THROUGH His only begotten son.
"How dare He", says the Pope.
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,....
"He dares", says Truther.

The desperate words of a person who has publicly LOST another argument.

I've already shown you the verses of Scripture that prove the Trinity. WHY is it that you can't refute them??
Gen. 1:26, Matt. 28:19, John 15:26, 1 Cor. 12:4-6, 2 Cor. 13:14, 1 John 5:7, Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, Isa. 63:16, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13, Isa. 7:14, Isa. 9:6, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 15:9, John 20:28, Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor. 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Tit. 2:13, John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, Jesus is God.
He was made God after he resurrected, not "God died".
The RCC serves a once microscopic, sperm cell God.

Ummmm, can you show me where the Bible makes this idiotic claim?

Chapter and Verse, please . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus said to baptize in the name of the Son.

What is the name of the Son?

Do YOU baptize in the name of the Son?

If not, why not?

And I already obliterated this moronic position back in post #2236.
Here it is again - in case you missed it . . .

Time for another linguistics lesson . . .

From Macmillan Dictionary:

1. REPRESENTING someone or something
Ex. - They said they came “in the name of peace.”

From Cambridge Dictionary:
1. REPRESENTING someone or something
Ex. - "Open up in the name of the law" before they broke the door down.

From Thesaurus.com:
“In the name of” synonyms
1. THROUGH
2. THROUGH the agency of
3. Under the AUTHORITY of

From english.stackesxhange.com:
What does “in the name of…” actually mean?
Putting all religious contentions aside for the sake of our language, the etymology of name offers a good place to start understanding:

Old English nama, noma "name, reputation,"
from Proto-Germanic *namon

(cognates: Old Saxon namo, Old Frisian nama, Old High German namo, German Name, Middle Dutch name, Dutch naam, Old Norse nafn, Gothic namo "name"),

from PIE *nomn- (cognates: Sanskrit nama; Avestan nama; Greek onoma, onyma; Latin nomen; Old Church Slavonic ime, genitive imene; Russian imya; Old Irish ainm; Old Welsh anu "name").
IN ALL CULTURES, people of authority have always lent their reputation and their authority to their delegates. The founders and leaders of religious movements use the same delegation strategies as the founders and leaders of nations.
The English phrase in the name of simply asserts the reputation and authority of another person.

Here us an example from classic literature:
Victor Hugo's “Dramas” 1519, page 364:
“Richard Varney, in the name of God and Saint George we dub thee knight!”

This doesn’t state God’s “Singular name” as YOU keep insisting it must.