And thank you for the scriptures. Christianity is about beliefs and if you want to believe this....I am ok with that. But this is not between you and me. This is one of the oldest debates out there....
This conversation was between you and me.
I wasn't debating you, I was stating my belief and using Scripture to answer you.
The Greek definition of it in a Lexicon or in the strong's, or in the Oxford dictionary of the Greek language shows a variety of meanings. Parthenos can mean young maiden, maiden, unmarried daughter, or virgin. Mary's description of not knowing a man is correct, but before the event. The terms used for the event....conceived, begotten, and son are well defined in the whole Bible. How these events occur is part of the storyline. The Bible does not use any metaphysical or divine terms to describe this conception. In the culture, virgin can imply purity.
I don't speak Greek. English is my perferred tongue.
I do not find any confusion...All earthlings have been born in Sin and have Committed Sin. (Adam and Eve) entailed a different discussion).
(speaking of Jesus specific...He was not an Earthling.)
So about Mary...she is an Earthling, born in Sin...thus Purity does not Apply to Mary.
The emphasis is on Mary's WOMB, her Virginity of not having been Defiled, BY an Earthly man entering her WOMB... which reveals the purity of her WOMB.
What specifically entered her Virgin WOMB, was a "HOLY PURE Thing".
How?
BY the WILL and Desire of an Earthly mankind of thing? No.
John 1:
[13] Which were born,
not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
How? BY the Power of God.
Luke 1:
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and
the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also "that holy thing"
which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Where did that Pure Holy Thing come From?
Isa 55:
[
11] So shall
my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Comprehending BORN...is something ALIVE coming forth OUT of something ALIVE...
Reveals:
BORN, does NOT exclusively Apply to:
an Earthling woman delivering a baby forth out of her WOMB.
The eternally Living God sending Forth Out from His Mouth, His Living WORD is also a type of Birth.
Again:
John 1:
[
13]
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but [/B] of God.
So why did God declare What came forth out of His Mouth...HIS Begotten Son (and NOT) His and Mary's Begotton Son?
Because John 1:13 reveals Gods act had Nothing to do with Mankind's Will or BLOOD (which IS the LIFE of mankind of things).
Sure... Jesus had the Appearence OF a Mankind of thing...looked LIKE an earthling, was called a Mankind of thing.
He HAD FLESH and Blood and Bones "LIKE" a Mankind of Thing.....
But Jesus DID NOT have the "SAME" kind of FLESH, BLOOD and Bones...as an earthling Man Kind of Thing.
Earthling KINS of things ARE reproduced:
BY the WILL, and SEEDS and Blood of mankind of Things....and are All Corrupt.
That did not, does not Apply to Holy Things.
Mary's WOMB was undefined by an earthly man...yet her flesh and blood was just as Corrupt as any other natural born earthling.
Scripture revealed the Particular Virgin WOMB, God chose...(was IN Mary, betrothed to a man named Joseph, out of the House of David) to Reveal HIS Word, IN THE "LIKENESS" as a Holy, unblemished, Sinless, Mankind of thing.
The same goes for the Hebrew almah....broad term, the prevalent meaning young maiden with broader terms that have to do with health...if you get into the culture of it. It can be used to imply virginity but again not clinical.
The whole Theme of Scripture Reveals:
There Are Two Meanings to the Understanding of Scriptural Knowledge.
1) is: mankind's Limited Carnal Minded Logical, guessing Between this and that conclusion.
2) is: Gods View of HIS absolute Truth Understanding.
Mankind argues between their own Carnal conclusions.
Mankind with Gods Understanding, will not Consider to revert to a man's Carnal Minded proposition.
You are trying to get very clinical with a word in a society and culture that inspected the breasts to determine if a woman was a virgin.
What a load of hogwash.
The Spiritual Fact IS God does not Reproduce!
Of course my over all point is that Yeshua was / is the true and real Son of God....not a zap. Until I see something in the scriptures like Christ materialized in her womb, I will be confident in this.
Really?
So you believe God literally reproduced and had a Baby?