Heresy within Christianity

[Paul Christensen]

In WWII, in Italy, the 2nd New Zealand was moving past my dad's unit. Just to be a jerk, one of his friends shouted a rude suggestion about the King. As a truck passed, one of the Kiwis shouted "...and the Queen!"

I didn't think that Elton was born then!

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Gene mutation, damaged, injured, diseases, personal interest, job requirement, exposure, repetition, can all be factors in measuring IQ, which is not so much about already KNOWING Information, as it is Measuring Capability to LEARN Information.

And IQ testing, is not flaw proof, in that such questions that are of complete disinterest to the person may be completely left unanswered. It doesn't mean that person is incapable of learning, but simply disinterested in the topic.

I thought that testing IQ measured a rate of retardation, no one has ever been able to clearly measure intelligence so far.

 

[Paul Christensen]

I thought that testing IQ measured a rate of retardation, no one has ever been able to clearly measure intelligence so far.

Informative.

 

[Brakelite]

In WWII, in Italy, the 2nd New Zealand was moving past my dad's unit. Just to be a jerk, one of his friends shouted a rude suggestion about the King. As a truck passed, one of the Kiwis shouted "...and the Queen!"

 

[Paul Christensen]

I just loved that sketch!

 

[Paul Christensen]

No. The Odontocetes are an entirely different parvorder of whales from the Mysticeti. You might as well expect a dog to become a cat.

Hey, I suspect that my wife has evolutionary tendencies: When our ginger cat is playing up she says, "You naughty monkey!" And when our Burmese cat gets a bit crazy, she says, "You silly fossil!"

 

[Taken]

I thought that testing IQ measured a rate of retardation,

No.

no one has ever been able to clearly measure intelligence so far.

Agree.

I would say an IQ test is more about testing an individual's ability to read something for the first time...and reason, figure, compute quickly the response, and short term memory.

Not like a school test, where a person has studied a topic, then tested to see IF they remembered And understood what they read, by being asked questions about the topic they studied.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I read half of your post with interest....

No problem.

Man (one Kind of thing) was Created out of the Earth.

Animal (one kind of thing) was Created out of the Earth.

Plants (one kind of Thing) was Created out of the Earth)

Those Different KINDS of Things...always remain the same KIND of thing, and reproduce the same Kind of thing.

Those KINDS of things all have, (elements)found IN the Earth and All those KINDS of things require replenishing of Elements found in the Earth.

The Replenishing, KEEPS the different KINDS of things ALIVE and In the right amounts (healthy).

Plants absorb the elements in their roots.
Animals absorb the elements from eating plants.
Man absorbs the elements from eating the fruit of the plants, and eating animals.

While all the KINDS require the elements...a man eating the fruit of a banana tree, does not make a man a banana!

 

[Taken]

It was a different kind. That's how evolution works. We often hear creationists argue that evolution would be like a cat becoming a dog. It's always speciation, with gradual change. Most major creationist organizations now admit that speciation is a fact, and they even acknowledge that new genera and familes (and sometimes more) develop from other forms. They just don't like to call it "evolution."

The problem with an "evolutionist"
historical teaching has been AS IF "species and KIND" are interchangeable terms.

The FACT is a creationist believes There Are specific KINDS of things, and particular KINDS of things CAN within their Own KIND, produce a Different species.

^ That is nothing new of a Creationist "coming around"...but rather (some) evolutionist" no longer trying teach "KINDS" of things can become DIFFERENT KINDS of things.

Ape is a KIND of thing that IS an Animal.
Man is a Different KIND of thing.

Paul Christensen was Correct in his diagram showing An Animal becoming a man, being taught in schools for years.

He rejected that notion. You rejected that diagram, and gave a different diagram...still projecting the process of an APE progressing into a MAN.

Animals are their own KIND of thing.
Man is his own KIND of thing.
Those things DO NOT ever become the Other KIND of thing, regardless if you show a new improved diagram.

The connection between KINDS of thing Created out of the Earth...is that Each KIND of thing Contains the Elements, (of the Earth), from which a KIND of thing was created.
And the abundance of Elements IN the Earth continues TO KEEP each living KIND thing alive.

 

[Yehren]

It was a different kind. That's how evolution works. We often hear creationists argue that evolution would be like a cat becoming a dog. It's always speciation, with gradual change. Most major creationist organizations now admit that speciation is a fact, and they even acknowledge that new genera and familes (and sometimes more) develop from other forms. They just don't like to call it "evolution."

The problem with an "evolutionist"
historical teaching has been AS IF "species and KIND" are interchangeable terms.

No, that's an error. Creationists used to believe so. Some still do, as you see on this forum. Even AIG admits that. But scientifically, "species" has a specific meaning in biology, but "kind" is a modern religious doctrine.

That is nothing new of a Creationist "coming around"...but rather (some) evolutionist" no longer trying teach "KINDS" of things can become DIFFERENT KINDS of things.

Because "kind" is such a vague term one can make it into anything one wants. Perfect for a foggy religious doctrine like YE creationism..

Ape is a KIND of thing that IS an Animal.

Man and chimpanzees make up a particular kind of thing that is different than other apes. Hominins comprise a particular kind of thing that is different than every other kind of ape. Homo sapiens is a particular kind of thing that is different from other hominins like Australopithincines.
Anatomically modern humans comprise a particular kind of thing that is different from other kinds of H. sapiens, like Neandertals and Denisovans.

Paul Christensen was Correct in his diagram showing An Animal becoming a man, being taught in schools for years.

Nope. That's a creationist just-so story. I'll give you the same opportunity I gave Paul to show me a textbook in the last 40 years, that used that diagram as anything but an example of how orthogenesis got it wrong. What do you have? Checkable source will be required.

...still projecting the process of an APE progressing into a MAN.

Genetically and anatomically, humans and chimpanzees are an ingroup within the larger group of apes.

Man is an animal like any other, but with a major difference; God gave him an immortal soul, directly, not by nature. And man has gained the knowledge of good and evil, becoming like God in that process.

As your fellow YE creationist Kurt Wise points out, transitional forms between man and other apes is very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory. He's an honest creationist; he argues that no one can come up with an alternative theory at this time, but he thinks someday that will change.

The connection between KINDS of thing Created out of the Earth...is that Each KIND of thing Contains the Elements, (of the Earth), from which a KIND of thing was created.

It's much more than that. Genetics shows that every organism on Earth has a common ancestor. And we know that works, because we can test it on organisms of known descent.

 

[Taken]

It was a different kind. That's how evolution works.

Agree that works for your natural understanding.

Disagree that WORKS according to Gods understanding.

"kind" is a modern religious doctrine.

Modern? LOL.
Gods Creations are all about KINDS...but of course I can NOT understand that For you.

Because "kind" is such a vague ..

Disagree. KIND is very specific According to God. But of course I can NOT believe that For you.

Man is an animal like any other,

LOL, LOL,

Of course I disagree with you teaching of Utter Nonsense.

but with a major difference; God gave him an immortal soul, directly, not by nature.

Uh No. Disagree.

Genetics shows that every organism on Earth has a common ancestor.

Uh no, Disagree.
Animals and or Plants are not man's "ancestors".

 

[Paul Christensen]

No problem.

Man (one Kind of thing) was Created out of the Earth.

Animal (one kind of thing) was Created out of the Earth.

Plants (one kind of Thing) was Created out of the Earth)

Those Different KINDS of Things...always remain the same KIND of thing, and reproduce the same Kind of thing.

Those KINDS of things all have, (elements)found IN the Earth and All those KINDS of things require replenishing of Elements found in the Earth.

The Replenishing, KEEPS the different KINDS of things ALIVE and In the right amounts (healthy).

Plants absorb the elements in their roots.
Animals absorb the elements from eating plants.
Man absorbs the elements from eating the fruit of the plants, and eating animals.

While all the KINDS require the elements...a man eating the fruit of a banana tree, does not make a man a banana!

Absolutely!
What is yellow, and was a companion of Paul the Apostle?
Bananabus.

 

[Yehren]

Agree that works for your natural understanding.
Disagree that WORKS according to Gods understanding.

You aren't God.

"Kind" is a modern religious doctrine.

Modern?

Yep. It was first taken up in the early 1900s by the Seventh-Day Adventists to support their new doctrine of YE creationism. From one YE source:

KJV Dictionary Definition: kind

kind

KIND, n.


1. Race; genus; generic class; as in mankind or humankind. In technical language, kind answers to genus.
KIND - Definition from the KJV Dictionary

But they can't agree on this, because it's a religious doctrine, and not testable. The ICR and AIG, for example, think it applies to species, genus, and family, and maybe farther than that.

Disagree. KIND is very specific According to God. But of course I can NOT believe that For you.

It's used in many different ways in scripture. And by YE creationists, who think new species, genera, and families developed after the "flood."

That would put humans and chimpanzees in the same "kind." Rock and a hard place for YE.

Genetics shows that every organism on Earth has a common ancestor.

Uh no, Disagree.
Animals and or Plants are not man's "ancestors".

You're still stuck on orthogenesis. That's not how it works. All eukaryotes, including plants and animal, have a common ancestor.

Doesn't mean animals evolved from plants or plants evolved from animals. They just have a common ancestor that was a eukaryote.

By now, you should realize that you're at a huge disadvantage, because you don't know about any of the science or even the facts in this issue. Why not take a little time to learn about scripture and biology, and then try again? You'd be a lot more effective against science if you knew what it is.

 

[Taken]

Absolutely!
What is yellow, and was a companion of Paul the Apostle?
Bananabus.

You have read those kids play on words joke books too...

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Paul Christensen]

You have read those kids play on words joke books too...

God Bless,
Taken

Hahahaha! I have Charles and Frances Hunter's "Healing Through Humour", and Trevor Chandler's "Jokes and Anecdotes" which are both full of great humour.

The best humour is when we laugh at ourselves and the funny side of life, rather than that which ridicules and demeans others. I also hate humour that dishonours God, although the church is fair game!

For example, a very earnest young Christian worker was witnessing to people sitting with him on the train, and just as the train was entering a tunnel, he asked them, "Are you ready to die?"

 

[Grailhunter]

Creationists are pilots and they driving Christianity into the ground. Happy trails to you!!
The youth are not going to buy it. Anyone with any intelligence is not going to buy it. Some say that God don't like wisdom. I don't agree but you guys are like the commercials that are fishing for idiots. The future for Christianity looks pretty bleak with people like you at the helm.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Creationists are pilots and they driving Christianity into the ground. Happy trails to you!!
The youth are not going to buy it. Anyone with any intelligence is not going to buy it. Some say that God don't like wisdom. I don't agree but you guys are like the commercials that are fishing for idiots. The future for Christianity looks pretty bleak with people like you at the helm.

Post a picture of yourself eating a banana, and I will gauge whether I can believe in evolution or not!

 

[Enoch111]

Creationists are pilots and they driving Christianity into the ground.

Quite the opposite. No one can truly understand the Gospel until he or she believes in the Genesis creation account. And no one can be saved unless they obey the Gospel.

EVOLUTION IS TOTAL NONSENSE -- A HOAX. EVEN DARWIN ADMITTED IT.

 

[Yehren]

For example, a very earnest young Christian worker was witnessing to people sitting with him on the train, and just as the train was entering a tunnel, he asked them, "Are you ready to die?"

My dad was dying of lung cancer, and his doctor asked him if he was ready to die.

"Are you planning to kill me?"

 

[Grailhunter]

Quite the opposite. No one can truly understand the Gospel until he or she believes in the Genesis creation account. And no one can be saved unless they obey the Gospel.

EVOLUTION IS TOTAL NONSENSE -- A HOAX. EVEN DARWIN ADMITTED IT.

That would be wrong as wrong as you can get!