SONS OF GOD, WHO ARE THEY?

[Timtofly]

There weren't any Christian's in the Old Testament, Age of Law. So, if Christians are the sons of God in the new testament, then it only makes sense that God's Chosen the first being Adam, and then Adams sons were also the sons of God.
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The sons of Adam after Abel were the sons of Adam not God.

 

[Timtofly]

seth was of the Godly line

Sinful Adam is being godly? We are not supposed to call sin, good. And we are not supposed to call good, sin.

The Sons of God were created by God and were godly. The sons of Adam were sinners, because Adam sinned and all of his descendants have been punished and separated from God.

 

[Joseph77]

It is kind of hard to do when Satan has blinded people's hearts and minds to the truth
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I guess people will remain in darkness and sin until it is too late.

< shrugs > Why GUESS ? Yes, the whole world IS DECEIVED. (The Bible Says Clearly), and REFUSES to repent (also STATED CLEARLY) ....

Only a remnant , God Picks for Himself, His Own Testimony, is spared , if any.

So do continue to see what the Bible says .... (I think you might already know what the Bible says)

 

[101G]

Sinful Adam is being godly? We are not supposed to call sin, good. And we are not supposed to call good, sin.

The Sons of God were created by God and were godly. The sons of Adam were sinners, because Adam sinned and all of his descendants have been punished and separated from God.

Thanks for your reply, not trying to get into your conversation, but I see you're on a good footing. not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. the sons of God in Genesis chapter 6 are the children Adam and Eve had "IN" the Garden before the Fall into sin, where as Cain and Able was their first Children born in Sin, "OUTSIDE" of the garden, and us all after them. hence the term "daughter" of men.

consider this, that are two lines from Adam, and his wife Eve.

only consider what I have said.

Be blessed,

PICJAG.

 

[Joseph77]

Adam was CERTAINLY smarter, wiser, stronger, healthier and more righteous than anyone anyone knows alive on earth today..... per se.

He walked in the Garden with the Creator, talking with Him , and no one posting today has even come close ....

 

[101G]

Adam was CERTAINLY smarter, wiser, stronger, healthier and more righteous than anyone anyone knows alive on earth today..... per se.

He walked in the Garden with the Creator, talking with Him , and no one posting today has even come close ....

yes, Adam named all the animals, and had the care of them for he was given dominion over all the aninals. but as his, God's, Hand made creation, he Adam communicated with God, what a vast vocabulary he must have had.

PICJAG.

 

[Timtofly]

Thanks for your reply, not trying to get into your conversation, but I see you're on a good footing. not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. the sons of God in Genesis chapter 6 are the children Adam and Eve had "IN" the Garden before the Fall into sin, where as Cain and Able was their first Children born in Sin, "OUTSIDE" of the garden, and us all after them. hence the term "daughter" of men.

consider this, that are two lines from Adam, and his wife Eve.

only consider what I have said.

Be blessed,

PICJAG.

Genesis 1:27 clearly states where male and female sons of God came from. No guess work, making up stuff, nor speculation.

 

[101G]

Genesis 1:27 clearly states where male and female sons of God came from. No guess work, making up stuff, nor speculation.

Correct, do you include Cain and Abel in this category as sons of God?

PICJAG

 

[Timtofly]

Correct, do you include Cain and Abel in this category as sons of God?

PICJAG

Yes. In post #210 there is a reasonable example of ages and what happened when.

God told Eve, he would change how births happened. For Eve to understand two different types of birth, Cain and Abel were the original intended births. Seth was the type after her punishment.

 

[101G]

Yes. In post #210 there is a reasonable example of ages and what happened when.

God told Eve, he would change how births happened. For Eve to understand two different types of birth, Cain and Abel were the original intended births. Seth was the type after her punishment.

First thanks for the reply, second, Cain, and Abel, was born "Spiritually" dead to God all afterward, that's why we all needed to be "BORN Again" or from Above.

as for Post #210, the bible states that Cain and Abel was born after Adam and Eve sin and was put out of the Garden. Genesis 3:23 "Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Genesis 3:24 "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life". there is no way around it, and as for Adam age, no man knows, and also Adam didn't age/decay until he sinned. so no one knows how long they was in the Garden before they sinned. but we do know this that while in the Garden before they sinned they had children .... "alive" unto God Spiritually.

Adam was created to be let's say 20, a mature adult. 5 years later God gave him Eve. He was 25 she was 20.

this is not in the bible.

The sons of God were all the other humans except for Adam's family. People cannot even accept Cain and Abel were sons of God.

the other people, in Genesis chapter 4, are the children that they had in the Garden before being put out of the Garden and having Cain and Abel.

so the flaw in your assessment of who the sons of God were in chapter 4, and 6 is from a misinformed understanding of the scriptures in chapter 3. where Adam and Eve having children inside the garden before they sinned, and before they had Can and Abel

PICJAG

 

[Timtofly]

First thanks for the reply, second, Cain, and Abel, was born "Spiritually" dead to God all afterward, that's why we all needed to be "BORN Again" or from Above.

as for Post #210, the bible states that Cain and Abel was born after Adam and Eve sin and was put out of the Garden. Genesis 3:23 "Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Genesis 3:24 "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life". there is no way around it, and as for Adam age, no man knows, and also Adam didn't age/decay until he sinned. so no one knows how long they was in the Garden before they sinned. but we do know this that while in the Garden before they sinned they had children .... "alive" unto God Spiritually.

this is not in the bible.

the other people, in Genesis chapter 4, are the children that they had in the Garden before being put out of the Garden and having Cain and Abel.

so the flaw in your assessment of who the sons of God were in chapter 4, and 6 is from a misinformed understanding of the scriptures in chapter 3. where Adam and Eve having children inside the garden before they sinned, and before they had Can and Abel

PICJAG

That is adding a lot to the Bible that Revelation 22 forbids.

Chapter 1 is creation.

Chapter 2 is Adam and Eve

Chapter 3 is sin and death.

Chapter 4 is two sons of God and their relationship with God.


You cannot put it into any chronological order. That is what you said about my age example. Since I did not claim that is what happened, I am not adding to God’s Word.

But common sense is common sense. God gave us a mind to think and reason, not for imagining impossible scenarios.

When humans start using imagination, they only get sex, lies, and murder.

The Bible is not given to glorify sin. It is to show, God's love, mercy, grace, and forgiveness.

 

[101G]

That is adding a lot to the Bible that Revelation 22 forbids.

This is adding to the bible, did you not say, "Adam was created to be let's say 20, a mature adult. 5 years later God gave him Eve. He was 25 she was 20". please post scriptures for that.

Chapter 1 is creation.

Chapter 2 is Adam and Eve

Chapter 3 is sin and death.

Chapter 4 is two sons of God and their relationship with God.

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Chapter 1 is a creative chapter, but chapter 2 is detailed information of chapter 1.

so both together will summarizein this order.
1. Heaven(s) and earth, created
2. Light, and Land, brought forth
3. Man Created, and grass, herbs, and other plant life and trees.
4. the sun and the moon and the stars also.
5. Water, and airborne creatures
6. Land creatures, and MANkin, meaning the Genders, the sexes, (male, and Female ... Made.
7. God rested from his work.

that's a basic chronological order of creation events. afterward, contemporary events until now.

PICJAG.

 

[Timtofly]

This is adding to the bible, did you not say, "Adam was created to be let's say 20, a mature adult. 5 years later God gave him Eve. He was 25 she was 20". please post scriptures for that.

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Chapter 1 is a creative chapter, but chapter 2 is detailed information of chapter 1.

so both together will summarizein this order.
1. Heaven(s) and earth, created
2. Light, and Land, brought forth
3. Man Created, and grass, herbs, and other plant life and trees.
4. the sun and the moon and the stars also.
5. Water, and airborne creatures
6. Land creatures, and MANkin, meaning the Genders, the sexes, (male, and Female ... Made.
7. God rested from his work.

that's a basic chronological order of creation events. afterward, contemporary events until now.

PICJAG.

If you insist. Can only point it out. It is up to others to accept or reject.

Some people like to have a more complex way to imagine things.

I already said that post # 210 is an example. Never said it was in the Bible. If you can show me verses that cover your imagined hypothesis, I would be interested.

I did see you post. None of those mention Cain and Abel as spiritual or non-spiritual.

In chapter 4 Cain was talking to God as being Spiritual. There was no disconnect. That is why Cain and Abel were before the fall.

 

[101G]

If you insist. Can only point it out. It is up to others to accept or reject.

if I insist? ... lol, what is written you nor I can change. so that's a mute point.

I already said that post # 210 is an example. Never said it was in the Bible. If you can show me verses that cover your imagined hypothesis, I would be interested.

no imagined hypothesis . scripture,
#1. Adam and Eve had children in the Garden before they sinned, supportive scripture, Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee".

here these two words "sorrow", and "conception", tells it all, and the term "multiply " reveals it plainly. the term "sorrow" is
H6093 עִצָּבוֹן `itstsabown (its-tsaw-ɓone') n-m.
worrisomeness, i.e. labor or pain.
[from H6087]
KJV: sorrow, toil.
Root(s): H6087

what cause "Labor Pain?", our next word, "conception",
H2032 הֵרוֹן herown (hay-rone') n-m.
הֵרָיוֹן herayown (hay-raw-yone')
pregnancy.
[from H2029]
KJV: conception.
Root(s): H2029

BINGO, Eve had children, and this is brought out by the term used here, "multiply". which means INCREASE, and God said because of sin he would "multiply"/increase her Labor pain in pregnancy. STOP, and think, it's a scientific fact one cannot "INCREASE" something unless it has already happen. so clear as day in the scriptures they say she had children already.

and verse 20 confirm this, "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living". well no one is called a "Mother" unless she have children, and notice ... "LIVING", because those she had before the sin was "ALIVE" to God Spiritually, hence the titles "Sons of God". this is where Caine got his wife from, and it also explain the other people in Chapter 4 who Cain was afraid of, and who might kill him if they found out what he did to his brother. and it also explain the sons of God in Genesis 6 who was ordanary men and not angels.

one other supportive scripture for you on this, indirectly, Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh". well when children grow up they "leave home", here it was the Garden, and no sin has came upon the earth then, and this statement was made before they fell into sin.

now if you want the scriptures for God creating man on DAY # just ask.

PICJAG.

 

[Timtofly]

if I insist? ... lol, what is written you nor I can change. so that's a mute point.

no imagined hypothesis . scripture,
#1. Adam and Eve had children in the Garden before they sinned, supportive scripture, Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee".

here these two words "sorrow", and "conception", tells it all, and the term "multiply " reveals it plainly. the term "sorrow" is
H6093 עִצָּבוֹן `itstsabown (its-tsaw-ɓone') n-m.
worrisomeness, i.e. labor or pain.
[from H6087]
KJV: sorrow, toil.
Root(s): H6087

what cause "Labor Pain?", our next word, "conception",
H2032 הֵרוֹן herown (hay-rone') n-m.
הֵרָיוֹן herayown (hay-raw-yone')
pregnancy.
[from H2029]
KJV: conception.
Root(s): H2029

BINGO, Eve had children, and this is brought out by the term used here, "multiply". which means INCREASE, and God said because of sin he would "multiply"/increase her Labor pain in pregnancy. STOP, and think, it's a scientific fact one cannot "INCREASE" something unless it has already happen. so clear as day in the scriptures they say she had children already.

and verse 20 confirm this, "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living". well no one is called a "Mother" unless she have children, and notice ... "LIVING", because those she had before the sin was "ALIVE" to God Spiritually, hence the titles "Sons of God". this is where Caine got his wife from, and it also explain the other people in Chapter 4 who Cain was afraid of, and who might kill him if they found out what he did to his brother. and it also explain the sons of God in Genesis 6 who was ordanary men and not angels.

one other supportive scripture for you on this, indirectly, Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh". well when children grow up they "leave home", here it was the Garden, and no sin has came upon the earth then, and this statement was made before they fell into sin.

now if you want the scriptures for God creating man on DAY # just ask.

PICJAG.

Here is food for thought: Genesis 2:1-3
"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, along with everything in them.
2 On the seventh day God was finished with his work which he had made, so he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 God blessed the seventh day and separated it as holy; because on that day God rested from all his work which he had created, so that it itself could produce.

The first 6 days have a time stamp evening and morning, but the 7th was the LORD’S day. 6 literal days, the number of man. But the 7th was 1000 human years set apart for God. While God rested the earth kept producing. At the end of the 1000 years, God planted a Garden. He then took Adam and placed him in the Garden He had prepared for him.

So those humans male and female; Genesis 1:27 had 1000 years to multiply on the earth, even before Adam and Eve.

 

[101G]

But the 7th was 1000 human years set apart for God. While God rested the earth kept producing. At the end of the 1000 years, God planted a Garden. He then took Adam and placed him in the Garden He had prepared for him.

are you kidding? God planted the Garden on day three. listen, Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 2:8 "And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Genesis 2:9 "And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil".

and what day was there trees? ... day 3.

PICJAG.

 

[n2thelight]

If Adam and Eve were created at the same time, then the principle of marriage is meaningless, and that marriage between a man and a woman is not "one flesh" as the Bible points out. The "one flesh" principle of marriage comes from Eve being created from one of Adam's ribs, in that as Adam was created from the dust of the ground, Eve was created from a part of Adam. This is also why same sex marriage is not God's design for marriage, because it does not consist in "one flesh" in accordance with woman being created out of man, while both men in a same sex marriage were created out of the dust of the ground, so they are still separate individuals and could never be united in the same way that a man and a woman can be united in marriage.

Also, the Bible does not say that satan had sex with Eve. If that was the case, Eve would have committed adultery and therefore sinned before eating the forbidden fruit.

If Genesis 1 is altered from its literal text, then there is no sin, no fall, no Christ, no gospel, no resurrection, and no salvation.

Adam and Eve were not created at the same time,male and female were.

Also the fall really happened at the rebellion of satan as per Rev12 .Had he not rebelled we never would had been made flesh

 

[Paul Christensen]

Adam and Eve were not created at the same time,male and female were.

Also the fall really happened at the rebellion of satan as per Rev12 .Had he not rebelled we never would had been made flesh

If Genesis 1 is not the straightforward written account of what actually happened with Adam and Eve who disobeyed God and caused the Fall, then the rest of the Bible is meaningless, and there is no Jesus, no cross, and no salvation. Therefore you have no hope when you die.

 

[n2thelight]

Okay. No problems there.
But Seth's line was the one that led to Noah, not Cain's.

Agreed,and that's my point

 

[Dcopymope]

If Genesis 1 is not the straightforward written account of what actually happened with Adam and Eve who disobeyed God and caused the Fall, then the rest of the Bible is meaningless, and there is no Jesus, no cross, and no salvation. Therefore you have no hope when you die.

In any story, the beginning and ending are the most crucial parts. If Jesus is called the second Adam, then there must have been a first Adam. So if the beginning of the book isn't literal, then there is literally no reason to believe the rest of it.