The Bible is Written in Metaphors

[Truther]

When you see a street sign saying 15 mph turn at a cliff, do you ponder on it's meaning or do you immediately react at it's description?

This sign is not a metaphor, lest you plunge into the ravine wondering what it could mean.

The few signs found in Revelation directly mean something specific and literal as street signs do, not like poetic metaphors meaning many things.

Metaphors are open ended ideas. Metaphors are a type of white lying.

how is it you did not know I was not talking about bread?

Does it say this?....


1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Or this?....


1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and METAPHORIZED it by his angel unto his servant John:

 

[Timtofly]

Sign:
an object, quality, or event whose presence or occurrence indicates the probable presence or occurrence of something else.

Revelation is not a sign like a sign post. It is a series of events that when seen indicates the probable occurrence of something else.

"When you see the signs, look up for the day is approaching." The first sign in Revelation is like a pendemic of which the world has never seen. Covid19 is a warning (a sign) to Christians to wake up and take notice. If you want to make excuses why the Bible should not use Metaphor you were born in the wrong cenury. You should have been born so you could refute John himself after he handed you the first copy.

 

[Timtofly]

Metaphor:
a thing regarded as representative or symbolic of something else, especially something abstract.

Our modern world was abstract to John.
John used metaphor (literal objects) to paint a picture of what he saw.

If you are going to wait for an exact horse to fit the exact description to go around and kill a lot of people, you will still be here all by yourself when this earth becomes no more.

John was not using metaphor to lie to us. Because if you are waiting for a white horse (which is a lie in your logic) it will never happen.

The way it is worded is a metaphor.
The metaphor is the sign.

 

[Truther]

Here is how a sign is used per Revelation....



13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast(ANTICHRIST/MAN) rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast(ANTICHRIST/MAN) which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon(DEVIL) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast(ANTICHRIST/MAN).

4 And they worshipped the dragon(DEVIL) which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast(ANTICHRIST/MAN), saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.


It is a simple sign, not a "metaphor".

A metaphor would be saying something completely different, then one would have to try to figure out what the passage means, like a riddle.

 

[Joseph77]

then one would have to try to figure out what the passage means,

Or, like Jesus with the disciples,
He explains to them.

 

[bbyrd009]

Does it say this?....


1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Or this?....


1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and METAPHORIZED it by his angel unto his servant John:

well, not sure your point, Scripture is obv full of metaphors, like your Revelation example above?

 

[Truther]

well, not sure your point, Scripture is obv full of metaphors, like your Revelation example above?

Nothing in Revelation is metaphoric, just like the speed limit sign is not metaphoric.
A sign is not a metaphor.

 

[Truther]

Or, like Jesus with the disciples,
He explains to them.

Yes, Jesus used real life comparisons of events he saw in time to explain details.

He did not make up imaginary stories or tell metaphoric riddles.

 

[bbyrd009]

Nothing in Revelation is metaphoric, just like the speed limit sign is not metaphoric.
A sign is not a metaphor.

but a vision surely is? I mean youre taking that literally? Magical Thinking?

Yes, Jesus used real life comparisons of events he saw in time to explain details.

He did not make up imaginary stories or tell metaphoric riddles.

pardon? Jesus even made very plain that parables are metaphors?
how did you not know that I was not talking about bread?

 

[bbyrd009]

imo the real issue is he who says he knows, does not
wadr

 

[Joseph77]

Your imaginary posts will one day be explained , if Jesus believes it is 'necessary' or if the Father directs Jesus to explain before executing judgment.

Note for those who are reading "PARABLES" told by Jesus, NEEDED TO BE EXPLAINED to His Own Disciples for them , AND the Father had to grant the opening of their minds as well. Same today.

Yes, Jesus used real life comparisons of events he saw in time to explain details.

He did not make up imaginary stories or tell metaphoric riddles.

 

[Truther]

but a vision surely is? I mean youre taking that literally?

pardon? Jesus even made very plain that parables are metaphors?
how did you not know that I was not talking about bread?

Metaphors are a modern English description and definition of telling an unrelated story or fictitious story that has an open ended definition.

Jesus didn't teach that way.

He spoke of specific events in history he knew of and compared them to his specific message.

Revelation signs work the same way.

Only 1 targeted meaning in all cases.

 

[Truther]

Your imaginary posts will one day be explained , if Jesus believes it is 'necessary' or if the Father directs Jesus to explain before executing judgment.

Note for those who are reading "PARABLES" told by Jesus, NEEDED TO BE EXPLAINED to His Own Disciples for them , AND the Father had to grant the opening of their minds as well. Same today.

Do we understand the parables?

How?

Because they define themselves.

Did a sower in history sow a seed on 4 types of ground?

Yep, and Jesus explained it to carnal humans to make a particular point.,

If I tell a story of an event in my history and compare it to a teaching point, it is not a metaphor.

It is a comparison.

Now, if I made up the story, it is a metaphor....a riddle.

 

[Joseph77]

So all your posts are riddles, but not metaphors then.

 

[Timtofly]

Here is how a sign is used per Revelation....
13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast(FALSE PROPHET/MAN) rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast(FALSE PROPHET/MAN) which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon(DEVIL) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast(FALSE PROPHET/MAN).
4 And they worshipped the dragon(DEVIL) which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast(FALSE PROPHET/MAN), saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

It is a simple sign, not a "metaphor".

A metaphor would be saying something completely different, then one would have to try to figure out what the passage means, like a riddle.

At least read the signs right....

13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast(FALSE PROPHET/MAN) rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast(FALSE PROPHET/MAN) which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon(DEVIL) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast(FALSE PROPHET/MAN).

4 And they worshipped the dragon(DEVIL) which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast(FALSE PROPHET/MAN), saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

[Joseph77]

At least read the signs right....

As already posted, he can't, for whatever riddle (or metaphor), that is.....

 

[bbyrd009]

Metaphors are a modern English description and definition of telling an unrelated story or fictitious story that has an open ended definition.

Jesus didn't teach that way.

He spoke of specific events in history he knew of and compared them to his specific message.

Revelation signs work the same way.

Only 1 targeted meaning in all cases.

hey, go with that if you like, but note how you are saying that you know?
iow i am assured by the Bible that you are most likely wrong, see
"parables" are, by definition, "parabolic?"
So wadr yes, Jesus did most certainly teach that way, and we even have a discourse by Him on the subject? Specifically?

 

[Jay Ross]

I know that this passage has been raised before in this thread. John turned what Jesus had said plainly in a literal fashion, into a metaphor, which we do not even understand today.

Here is the passage: -

John 2:13-22: - 13 Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. 15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers' money and overturned the tables. 16 And He said to those who sold doves, "Take these things away! Do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise!" 17 Then His disciples remembered that it was written, "Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up."

18 So the Jews answered and said to Him, "What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?"

19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

20 Then the Jews said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?"

21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.​

Jesus had prophetically said that the Jews would cause the Temple to be destroyed, which they did in 70 AD, and that in around three days time, within God's timeframe of reference, i.e. 3,000 years, into the future, that he will raise the temple of praise and worship back up again to offer up praise and worship of God.

What was John referring to when he said that Jesus was speaking of the temple of His Body? Are not the Saints the Body of Christ at present here on the earth at this present time?

But the scholars have sort a very different metaphorical understanding and have changes the "temple of His body," to the "resurrected body of Jesus."

The problem that we all have is how we understand the scriptures and whether or not we can link the metaphors given to the actual context of what is being said.

This is one case where the accepted understanding of today misses the mark completely and gives a very different understanding of what the temple is there for.

Shalom

 

[Joseph77]

What was John referring to when he said that Jesus was speaking of the temple of His Body?

His Body. (Jesus' Body)

 

[Jay Ross]

His Body. (Jesus' Body)

Joseph, from the Greek language, I can demonstrate that the body John was referring to was the body of the saints that will make up the temple in eternity.

The silence in the passage with respect to the temple Jesus said that He would raise up after three days, and as to the timeframe that He was referring to. Verse 22 is also silent as to what the disciples understood.

What you are doing is making up a metaphorical understanding for this particular passage to suit your assumed belief system.

Verse 19 above can be read and understood as a literal statement by Christ. The hard part is to decipher what Jesus was actually saying. You have not justified your position at all. You have only offered up an opinion on what you believe it means.

Out of the silence, any understanding can be derived. The question then becomes which understanding is inline with Christ's?

Shalom