Why aren't you struggling with this question

[Angelina]

No... the law which came in through Moses was not able to cleanse a man's conscience from Sin. Hebrews 9:9.The Law of Moses was brought in so man could understand how utterly sinful he was. Although there were requirements for fulfilling that law, God passed over the sins of the people until his seed came. The promised Messiah. The law then was passing away and a new law came in through Christ.
That law is the law of the Spirit. He do not follow the old Law Moses brought in because Jesus came and surpassed that law through the sacrifice of himself. A change in law required a sacrifice through blood. The first covenant under the Law of Moses came with sacrifices of animal blood. The second covenant came through Christ death and resurrection on the cross. The bible says: Hebrews 9

15 Therefore, He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called might receive the promise of the eternal inheritance, because a death has taken place for redemption from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. 16 Where a will exists, the death of the one who made it must be established. 17 For a will is valid only when people die, since it is never in force while the one who made it is living.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

No... the law which came in through Moses was not able to cleanse a man's conscience from Sin. The Law of MOses was brought in so man could understand how utterly sinful he was. Although there were requirements for fulfilling that law, God passed over the sins of the people until the seed came. The promised Messiah. The law then was passing away and a new law came in through Christ. That law is the law of the Spirit. He do not follow the old Law Moses brought in because Jesus same and surpassed that law through the sacrifice of himself. A change in law required a sacrifice through blood. The first covenant came under the Law of Moses. The second covenant came through Christ death and resurrection on the cross. The bible says: Hebrews 9

15 Therefore, He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called might receive the promise of the eternal inheritance, because a death has taken place for redemption from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. 16 Where a will exists, the death of the one who made it must be established. 17 For a will is valid only when people die, since it is never in force while the one who made it is living.

It seems like you are argueing against the concept of the old law existing as of now. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that there is a law in Christ which is God's will that all need to abide by to live. Christ enables people to follow his will by providing strength to those who need it and forgiveness to those who it. However, there is still a law in Christ, God's will, which all servants need to strive to appease. And since Christ was able to appease this will with his own strength, a Christian should have no problem appeasing it since the strength he has is Christ's strength in full. Therefore, I conclude that it's fairly idiotic the actions many are taking since it's no time to be merry when you are failing to provide God with the absolute when you can in Christ

 

[Angelina]

It seems like you are argueing against the concept of the old law existing as of now. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that there is a law in Christ which is God's will that all need to abide by to live. Christ enables people to follow his will by providing strength to those who need it and forgiveness to those who it. However, there is still a law in Christ, God's will, which all servants need to strive to appease. And since Christ was able to appease this will with his own strength, a Christian should have no problem appeasing it since the strength he has is Christ's strength in full. Therefore, I conclude that it's fairly idiotic the actions many are taking since it's no time to be merry when you are failing to provide God with the absolute when you can in Christ

True but what are you contesting about? that members here are enjoying each others company, some may be in a position where they only have these members here to talk with or are you contesting that we should all be a little more serious and talk about how we are going to follow the law that Christ has given us which is really those 2 commandments. Love God, love our neighbour.

Can I love my neighbour by asking how they are doing here on the forum, how has it been for them and their families? Do they need any prayer etc?

What do you think we need to be doing???

 

[farouk]

I'm not sure I understand the OP...

 

[farouk]

Why should I read the bible when I have the Spirit of God right here? The Spirit of God is inside me and not the Bible, or did you forget that fact?

The Lord Jesus said: 'Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy word is truth' (John 17.17).

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

True but what are you contesting about? that members here are enjoying each others company, some may be in a position where they only have these members here to talk with or are you contesting that we should all be a little more serious and talk about how we are going to follow the law that Christ has given us which is really those 2 commandments. Love God, love our neighbour.

Can I love my neighbour by asking how they are doing here on the forum, how has it been for them and their families? Do they need any prayer etc?

What do you think we need to be doing???

It's as simple as this: can you be certain you will now and forever perfectly serve God in Christ? If so, then other business can be taken care of. However, if not then other business should be put on hold since your offerings to God are not 100%

 

[farouk]

True but what are you contesting about? that members here are enjoying each others company, some may be in a position where they only have these members here to talk with or are you contesting that we should all be a little more serious and talk about how we are going to follow the law that Christ has given us which is really those 2 commandments. Love God, love our neighbour.

Can I love my neighbour by asking how they are doing here on the forum, how has it been for them and their families? Do they need any prayer etc?

What do you think we need to be doing???

@Angelina Good questions, there...

 

[Angelina]

It's as simple as this: can you be certain you will now and forever perfectly serve God in Christ? If so, then other business can be taken care of. However, if not then other business should be put on hold since your offerings to God are not 100%

I for one have been isolated for 4 weeks during this pandemic and I am grateful for the conversations with believers here. If you feel that this forum should be conforming to the way you think, then you have come to the wrong forum. This is not a religious forum and I'm sure that not even you can truly say your offerings to God are 100%.

Repeat: This is a Christian discussion forum, not a religious forum.

PS: We do not have to "perfectly" do anything because we are not under the law, we are under grace through faith. It is a gift of God.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

The Lord Jesus said: 'Sanctify them through Thy truth; Thy word is truth' (John 17.17).

And the word of God is given to those of Christ through the Spirit inside them, not the bible. As for thy word, the only word of God I'm aware of is Jesus. As for the Bible, it was never even intended to exist. God gave Christians the spirit to guide them, not this book called the bible. However, various writings from various authors have been put together and the culmination of those writings has been called the basis of Christianity. It has become the spirit by which all Christians receive guidance, and this is problematic. Amountwise, very little of the spirit of God is contained in those writings, so to call it the whole of the spirit of God is problematic. If you take part and make it into a whole you add onto that part, and if that part wasn't meant to be added onto then you make a false whole. Nothing more needs to be said about this topic.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

I for one have been isolated for 4 weeks during this pandemic and I am grateful for the conversations with believers here. If you fell that this forum should be conforming to the way you think, then you have come to the wrong forum. This is not a religious forum and I'm sure that not even you can truly say yours offerings to God are 100%.

Repeat: This is a Christian discussion forum, not a religious forum.

Unfortunatly you are wrong there: mine are. How so? The power of Christ enabled him to stand perfectly, so if I have that power, why can't I do what he did with it? Of course, that makes me lesser than him since I have one more crutch than he did. Regardless, I can still stand in full with the power of Christ. If you don't think this is possible then your own lack of faith in Christ is to blame. As for this is a Christian forum, then why are you resisting me? I thought truth was appreciated here, so if I speak it, then why should it not be spoken here?

 

[Angelina]

Truth is but not overweening self righteousness and pride. We don't do too well with them. So you are led by the Spirit of God but you do not readd/know the bible? How interesting..

 

[farouk]

I for one have been isolated for 4 weeks during this pandemic and I am grateful for the conversations with believers here. If you feel that this forum should be conforming to the way you think, then you have come to the wrong forum. This is not a religious forum and I'm sure that not even you can truly say your offerings to God are 100%.

Repeat: This is a Christian discussion forum, not a religious forum.

PS: We do not have to "perfectly" do anything because we are not under the law, we are under grace through faith. It is a gift of God.

Great allusion to Ephesians 2 there.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

Truth is but not overweening self righteousness and pride. We don't do too well with them. So you are led by the Spirit of God but you do not readd/know the bible? How interesting..

IF you don't deal well with overhwelming self righteousness, then how do you get along with yourself ? As for the Spirit of God, it should lead a person to God n

Great allusion to Ephesians 2 there.

My goodness, you are wrong. I'm just going to prove you and her wrong in this one swoop. If you are not under law, then what do you consider the authority you are under. You are a servant, and a servant is under the master's authority. If the servant does not perform according to the master's authority, then the master kicks them out. You must work to appease the master. Salvation through faith and grace, not faith and grace is salvation. Faith and grace enables you to work twards appeasing the master, so you'd best get to it. Literally, what do you think the fruits so often eluded to in your new testiment are? Apples? No, they are works, the works of Christians in Christ. By your works you will be judged.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

Truth is but not overweening self righteousness and pride. We don't do too well with them. So you are led by the Spirit of God but you do not readd/know the bible? How interesting..

The Spirit of God leads a person to God, so it makes sense it woudln't lead me to the bible. As for self righteousness, then why do you welcome your own comments here ?

 

[Angelina]

Unfortunatly you are wrong there: mine are. How so? The power of Christ enabled him to stand perfectly, so if I have that power, why can't I do what he did with it? Of course, that makes me lesser than him since I have one more crutch than he did. Regardless, I can still stand in full with the power of Christ. If you don't think this is possible then your own lack of faith in Christ is to blame. As for this is a Christian forum, then why are you resisting me? I thought truth was appreciated here, so if I speak it, then why should it not be spoken here?

His perfection came through obedience, even death on the cross. Philippians 2:8, Hebrews 8 says: Though He was God’s Son, He learned obedience through what He suffered. 9 After He was perfected, He became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey Him,

Mankind is not perfect nor can mankind ever be perfect until they leave this earthly kingdom because of the tent we live in. This tent constantly wages war with our spirit. We can only strive to reach perfection, like Paul. Even he said he was not perfected and Paul is greater than you and I for sure.

 

[farouk]

His perfection came through obedience, even death on the cross. Philippians 2:8, Hebrews 8 says: Though He was God’s Son, He learned obedience through what He suffered. 9 After He was perfected, He became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey Him,

Mankind is not perfect nor can mankind ever be perfect until they leave this earthly kingdom because of the tent we live in. This tent constantly wages war with our spirit. We can only strive to reach perfection, like Paul. Even he said he was not perfected and Paul is greater than you and I for sure.

@Angelina Paul speaks of 'the obedience of faith' & 'obedience to the faith' in Romans, at the end and at the beginning. Salvation is truly 'not of works, lest any man should boast' (Ephesians 2.9); faith is indeed the key principle.

 

[Angelina]

The Spirit of God leads a person to God, so it makes sense it woudln't lead me to the bible. As for self righteousness, then why do you welcome your own comments here ?

If the Spirit of God in you, does not lead you to his Word,then I would very much question what you are hearing. The Spirit of God will always agree with His Word. How then do you know that you are hearing for God if you do not know his Word?

I welcome my own comment as you put it brother because I am an admin.

If you like I am one of the shepherds in this sheepfold and I am always watching for wolves

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

His perfection came through obedience, even death on the cross. Philippians 2:8, Hebrews 8 says: Though He was God’s Son, He learned obedience through what He suffered. 9 After He was perfected, He became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey Him,

Mankind is not perfect nor can mankind ever be perfect until they leave this earthly kingdom because of the tent we live in. This tent constantly wages war with our spirit. We can only strive to reach perfection, like Paul. Even he said he was not perfected and Paul is greater than you and I for sure.

Last part is wrong, Paul is not my superior. As for striving for perfection, that's a false understanding. There is no need for time to pass since God is capable of causing instant growth. Finally, you misunderstand the meaning of that verse. Christ was perfect, but for that blade to be acknowledged it must first be put through fire. And for what would happen Christ needed to pass through fire so he could be acknowledged as what he needed to be. You may still say that Christ was perfected, but it boils down to this. Christ was the son of God from the getgo, and to be the son he had to be completely of him. So how could he be the son if he was not completely righteous since not being 100% righteous meant he was not 100% from God. Yet he was, so therefore he was perfect.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

If the Spirit of God in you, does not lead you to his Word,then I would very much question what you are hearing. The Spirit of God will always agree with His Word. How then do you know that you are hearing for God if you do not know his Word?

I welcome my own comment as you put it brother because I am an admin.

If you like I am one of the shepherds in this sheepfold and I am always watching for wolves

No, you are just an appointed head by man, so sorry to pop your bubble. As for the word, prove it. Prove that God sent down the bible to be the foundation for all rather than his spirit.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

@Angelina Paul speaks of 'the obedience of faith' & 'obedience to the faith' in Romans, at the end and at the beginning. Salvation is truly 'not of works, lest any man should boast' (Ephesians 2.9); faith is indeed the key principle.

Cheersquad, go cheer somewhere else or contribute to the conversation.