Mark of the Beast?

[kcnalp]

Why would Jesus go to Hell? lol

 

[Base12]

I wonder if Pastor Mike visits this Forum? He just made another video on the Mark.

Fast forward to 27:00...

 

[kcnalp]

2 Corinthians 5:21 (CJB)
21 God made this sinless man be a SIN OFFERING on our behalf, so that in union with him we might fully share in God’s righteousness.”

John 1:29
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

 

[Joseph77]

2 Corinthians 5:21 (CJB)
21 God made this sinless man be a sin offering on our behalf, so that in union with him we might fully share in God’s righteousness.”

John 1:29
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

OJB
The one who in his person had no da’as of chattat (sin) [Ac 3:14; Yn 8:46; MJ 4:15; 7:26; 1K 2:22; 1Y 3:5], this one Hashem made a chattat sin offering [Ga 3:13; YESHAYAH 53:10; VAYIKRA 4:24 TARGUM HASHIVIM] on our behalf that we might become the Tzidkat Hashem [DANIEL 9:24] in Moshiach. [1C 1:30; Pp 3:9]
[T.N. In this next chapter Rav Sha’ul warns against associations or worldly influences or fascinations that will contaminate the believer,

who should not think he can have both the world’s evil pleasures and the House of G-d’s holy chelek.]

 

[Renniks]

I know this is a topic that has been discussed endlessly among Christians but if you will endure one more thread I have been searching this for a while now.

What first caught my attention and got my mind to seek a deeper understanding was the scripture in
1 Kings 10:14
14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.

If we look back at the law for kings in Deuteronomy 17, It prohibits the king from multiplying horses and chariots, wives, and wealth. This is exactly what Solomon is doing in 1 Kings 10-11. Chapter ten begins by commending his great wisdom, but then steps through his decline - that is, he begins violating the rules for kings by multiplying gold (666 talents a year), multiplying horses and chariots, and finally multiplying wives who turn his heart away from following Yahweh. He sets up centers of false worship for all the foreign gods of his wives. So, the number 666 is associated with Solomon in his fall, his abuse of power, and his turning away from true worship of Yahweh.

In Revelation, Jesus sets up worship interactions under the symbol of business transactions - buying and selling.

I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.

This is picked up in chapter 13 with reference to worship in the false temple - the image set up by the beast which must be worshiped on pain of death. Everyone must worship the image, but no one may do so without the mark. The buying and selling referred to here is of the same kind established by Jesus in chapter 3. It is worship - spiritual transactions.

Now go to Nebuchadnezzar....
Daniel 3:1 1King Nebuchadnezzar made a golden statue sixty cubits high and six cubits wide, and he set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon.

King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold, whose height was sixty cubits and its breadth six cubits... And the herald proclaimed aloud, “You are commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, that when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and every kind of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. And whoever does not fall down and worship shall immediately be cast into a burning fiery furnace.”

Nebuchadnezzar is acting as a beast (and later, even more so) and sets up an image to be worshiped. Again, we have six and sixty associated with worship of a false image on pain of death.

All of this comes together in the name and number of the man - 666. This sums up man in his fallen state. The number carries with it the fallen glory of Solomon, his degraded wisdom, his failure to follow the word of God, his abuse of power, and his allowing himself to be turned aside to the worship of impotent gods.

Now let's move to the NT:
1 Timothy 6:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

There are more scriptures but here is my point...
wealth was the downfall of Solomon, Nebuchadnezzar, and according to 1 Timothy caused many to err from the faith when they coveted it.
Money is an idol to so many people.

So now to today's economy....if the U.S. economy collapses the whole world economy collapses....
Digital money is now being sold and bought as a world currency....(bitcoins for one)
Is it possible that the mark of the Beast will be this world currency in the form of digital money?

any thoughts?

I'm of the opinion that Nero was the beast of revelation. His image was on the coin and he was worshiped as God.

 

[kcnalp]

I'm of the opinion that Nero was the beast of revelation. His image was on the coin and he was worshiped as God.

So you're gonna be terribly disappointed when you find out that this is the terminal generation.

 

[Renniks]

So you're gonna be terribly disappointed when you find out that this is the terminal generation.

Why would I be disappointed?
pretty much every generation of Christians thinks they're the terminal generation.
Kissinger was going to be the Antichrist... Gorbachev was going to be the Antichrist.
Anyone remember..what was it... 85 reasons Jesus is coming back in 1985?

 

[kcnalp]

Why would I be disappointed?
pretty much every generation of Christians thinks they're the terminal generation.
Kissinger was going to be the Antichrist... Gorbachev was going to be the Antichrist.
Anyone remember..what was it... 85 reasons Jesus is coming back in 1985?

Why would I be disappointed?
pretty much every generation of Christians thinks they're the terminal generation.
Kissinger was going to be the Antichrist... Gorbachev was going to be the Antichrist.
Anyone remember..what was it... 85 reasons Jesus is coming back in 1985?

Ah, but this is the generation what witnessed the birth of Israel!

Luke 21 This generation will not pass away until all things be fulfilled.

This is the terminal generation!

 

[Joseph77]

I'm of the opinion that Nero was the beast of revelation. His image was on the coin and he was worshiped as God.

No worries just in that.

Do you think he was/ is/ the only beast or the only beast representative - that there are no more today nor in the future ?

 

[Heart2Soul]

I'm of the opinion that Nero was the beast of revelation. His image was on the coin and he was worshiped as God.

It has been mentioned before...very possible that he could be the image of the beast....and Solomon's gold symbolically be his number

 

[Renniks]

Ah, but this is the generation what witnessed the birth of Israel!

Luke 21 This generation will not pass away until all things be fulfilled.

This is the terminal generation!

Show me, don't tell me. "Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had Father Abraham! I am one of them and so are you, so let's just praise the Lord!"
Guess what...I am Israel too!

 

[Renniks]

No worries just in that.

Do you think he was/ is/ the only beast or the only beast representative - that there are no more today nor in the future ?

I think Antichrists are legion, but that he is the one mentioned in revelation, because revelation was to the churches of that time.
My current understanding is that Christ will indeed return, but we are in the millennium now.
The biggest relief in believing this is one no longer has to be a gloom-and-doom prophet. His kingdom will continue to increase, not decrease. It's not the end, it's a good time to watch God do great things in the present age.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Show me, don't tell me. "Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had Father Abraham! I am one of them and so are you, so let's just praise the Lord!"
Guess what...I am Israel too!

Hey that rhymes

 

[Joseph77]

I think Antichrists are legion, but that he is the one mentioned in revelation, because revelation was to the churches of that time.
My current understanding is that Christ will indeed return, but we are in the millennium now.
The biggest relief in believing this is one no longer has to be a gloom-and-doom prophet. His kingdom will continue to increase, not decrease. It's not the end, it's a good time to watch God do great things in the present age.

Too bad. (re 'millennium') (we cannot be in the millennium now, absolutely impossible according to all Scripture)
Perhaps to be continued later... I don't know yet.

 

[kcnalp]

I am Israel too!

You're Israel? Oh my.

Luke 21:24 And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

In 1967 Israel took total control of Jerusalem!

Luke 21:28
28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."

 

[Renniks]

You're Israel? Oh my.

Luke 21:24 And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

In 1967 Israel took total control of Jerusalem!

Luke 21:28
28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."

Yes, all that already happened.

20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.

When did this happen? AD 70.

24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations.

Already fulfilled prophecy, according to Jesus himself.

32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

 

[Renniks]

You're Israel? Oh my.

Luke 21:24 And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

In 1967 Israel took total control of Jerusalem!

Luke 21:28
28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." Galatians 3:7.

"For they are not all Israel which are of Israel; neither because they are the seed of Abraham are they all children… but the children of promise are counted for the seed." Romans 9:6-8.

"For he is not a Jew which is one outwardly, nor is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, and not in the letter' whose praise is not from men but from God." Romans 2:28,29,

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel… says the Lord, 'I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbor and none his brother saying, "Know the Lord," for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds, I will remember no more." Hebrews 8:10

I am Israel.

 

[kcnalp]

I am Israel.

Wow, you must be huge!

 

[Renniks]

Wow, you must be huge!

You are Israel too if you are in Christ.

 

[Marymog]

I'm of the opinion that Nero was the beast of revelation. His image was on the coin and he was worshiped as God.

Hi Renniks,

I agree with your opinion. Here is why. Transforming names into numbers (gematria) was common in antiquity. The Greek name "Nero Caesar" put into Hebrew letters is NRON QSRN, which adds up to six hundred and sixty-six.

"Nero" in Greek totaled 1,005, the reader of John's letter familiar with the Hebrew language could recognize that the Greek spelling of "Nero Caesar" transliterated into Hebrew equals 666. Moreover, the presence in some ancient manuscripts of a variation in which 666 is rendered 616 lends further credence to Nero as the intended referent. The Hebrew transliteration of the Latin spelling of "Nero Caesar" totals 616, just as the Hebrew transliteration of the Greek, which includes an additional letter (Greek: "n"=50, English transliteration: "n"=50), renders 666. Thus, two seemingly unrelated numbers lead you to the same doorstep - that of a beast named Nero Caesar.

Nero also seems to be a likely candidate in that Revelation 13:3 speaks about the beast having one head that "… seemed to have been mortally wounded, but this mortal wound was healed. Fascinated, the whole world followed after the beast." Roman historians report that after Nero committed suicide in AD 68, there was a widespread belief - possibly generated through the prediction of a group of astrologers - that Nero was not dead but would return to power soon. After Nero's death, there were three imposters who pretended to be “Nero Redivivdus” (Nero reborn).


Placing the beast in the twenty-first century may well pose insurmountable difficulties. John, the author of Revelation, told a first-century audience that with "wisdom" and "insight" they would be able to "calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666" (Revelation 13:18). Obviously no amount of wisdom and insight would have enabled a first-century audience to calculate the number of a twenty-first-century beast.

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