Satanism In The Vatican

[Heart2Soul]

Be wise and follow the examples in the Bible...you cannot reinvent God's gifts.

 

[Hidden In Him]

You think too carnally... Prophesy...that is what dreams are for....and they are not always to warn

In her post you quoted, she said, "In the Bible, some dreams and visions were to warn His people." How was she being carnally-minded when she is saying the same thing you are here?

 

[marksman]

In the end its no longer about salvation, that has pretty much being taken care of, it is where will you be where He comes. and many will not be ready, because they choose there religion over Him. Remember what He said, as it was in the days of Noah, what did Noah so, He told the people to get into the ark for the rain was coming, and the people laughed, now He is our ark and He is coming but people still refuse to get into Him. It is sad to see for a christian Forum the leased discussed topic is Christ.

Joh_5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Joh_5:41 I receive not honour from men.

I am totally convinced that religion is one of the biggest barriers to obtaining salvation. Salvation is faith in what God has done. Religion is faith in what we do.

 

[Mayflower]

In her post you quoted, she said, "In the Bible, some dreams and visions were to warn His people." How was she being carnally-minded when she is saying the same thing you are here?

I had a Bible study about it I wrote on CF. I was trying not to derail the thread though...this isn't a debate. In short, yes, I believe God is using these dreams as warnings.

 

[Mayflower]

Thing is, whenever any of those men were given a dream from God, its interpretation was made crystal clear. There wasn't a shadow of a doubt in their minds that it came from God. This is not what we see today. People are only assuming a dream is from God, and we can see they are really not too sure about its interpretation. If they were, they wouldn't be coming here asking about it. Therefore, I have little reason reason to take it seriously.

Pharaoh actually needed Joseph to interpret...Daniel's aren't that easy either. But I understand what you are saying.

 

[Heart2Soul]

In her post you quoted, she said, "In the Bible, some dreams and visions were to warn His people." How was she being carnally-minded when she is saying the same thing you are here?

Chris i said not just warnings...nitpic

 

[Dcopymope]

Greetings, Dcopymope, and blessings in Christ.

About this post, I don't have any doubts the dream in the OP was from God. I don't think Mayflower does either.

I think the interpretation has been made crystal clear as well. What is it that makes you think it hasn't been spelled out plainly?

The problem is no actual interpretation of the dream was given by God or an angel of God in the narrative like it always was. Its left completely open for anyone to give their own interpretation of it. I see nothing in it about a church, or satanic rituals, etc. You are claiming this is what the dream is about. I'm not doubting that satanic rituals are done in the Vatican, but really, this has been known for a while, and its everywhere, not just in the RCC.

Today’s Dreams and Visions
With the completion of the Bible, God does not have to use dreams and visions as much as He did before. That is not to say that He cannot or does not; God can communicate with us however He chooses. But when we have a decision to make, our first stop should always be the Bible, not a dream.

Exactly, if it doesn't line up with scripture, then it can be reasonably dismissed, simple.

 

[Heart2Soul]

@Dcopymope ....there are not that many dreams recorded in the Bible....which kind of says that is not God's preferred way to communicate....OT it was through the prophets mostly.....NT...the Holy Spirit.

I am rejoicing for the day that He will pour out His Spirit upon ALL FLESH...sons and daughters will prophesy, young men will dream dreams, old men see visions.....Now here is where I sometimes pray and seek God about....I have a lot of visions...my dreams meh....so will the dreams manifest before the prophesy?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Chris i said not just warnings...nitpic

Well I'm not trying to nitpic, LoL, but you were telling her she was thinking carnally when she was agreeing with you. She never said they were just given as warnings. She simply said that some were given as warnings. This is what you are saying, so how is she thinking carnally?

 

[Heart2Soul]

Well I'm not trying to nitpic, LoL, but you were telling her she was thinking carnally when she was agreeing with you. She never said they were just given as warnings. She simply said that some were given as warnings. This is what you are saying, so how is she thinking carnally?

You have always needed your sidekick in a debate so you can have someone back you up....lol...that is one thing that has not change.

 

[Hidden In Him]

The problem is no actual interpretation of the dream was given by God or an angel of God in the narrative like it always was.

What narrative?

Its left completely open for anyone to give their own interpretation of it.

Yes, and some can interpret and some cannot. This is why Joseph said to the two jailers, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Please tell them to me.” The dreams the jailers had were open to anyone as well, and anyone could have given interpretations of them. So too with Nebucahdnezzar's dream. He promised rewards to anyone in his kingdom who could interpret his dream.

I see nothing in it about a church, or satanic rituals, etc.

That's because you don't interpret. I'm not saying it's some shame on you; most people can't. But it is not something I back down from claiming to be able to do.

I'm not doubting that satanic rituals are done in the Vatican, but really, this has been known for a while, and its everywhere, not just in the RCC.

Yes, I agree. But the details of the dream go farther than that, into discussing the reactions of some Catholics now, and that some are waking up to the horrors of what is going on, and leaving the church over it, which as I point out is actually a command of God in scripture that was prophesied to go forth in the end-times to those who could hear His voice.

God bless, and thanks for the post. And no offense about the dream interpretation thing. Just shooting you straight.
Hidden

 

[Hidden In Him]

You have always needed your sidekick in a debate so you can have someone back you up....lol...that is one thing that has not change.

Actually, I was backing her up. :) You keep saying she is carnally-minded.

But it's not a biggie. She doesn't seem that offended or anything. Just thought I'd point it out.

God bless, and hope you are having a good evening.

 

[Philip James]

which as I point out is actually a command of God in scripture

Im sorry, i cant let this pass.

There is no command from God to leave the Catholic Church. And it is unwise of you to put words in His mouth.

On the contrary, John is emphatic that we must remain within the apostolic community:


They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.

Peace be with you!

 

[Dcopymope]

Yes, and some can interpret and some cannot. This is why Joseph said to the two jailers, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Please tell them to me.” The dreams the jailers had were open to anyone as well, and anyone could have given interpretations of them. So too with Nebucahdnezzar's dream. He promised rewards to anyone in his kingdom who could interpret his dream.

The problem with those two examples is the individuals requesting interpretation were never Gods chosen to start with. Today we have believers asking other believers what their own dreams mean, who will then give their own interpretations of those dreams, often citing OTHER people as their source, and not strictly God as it should be. If you believe your interpretation comes from God, you don't have to give sources to "prove" it, because God is your source.

That's because you don't interpret. I'm not saying it's some shame on you; most people can't. But it is not something I back down from claiming to be able to do.

M'kay

Yes, I agree. But the details of the dream go farther than that, into discussing the reactions of some Catholics now, and that some are waking up to the horrors of what is going on, and leaving the church over it, which as I point out is actually a command of God in scripture that was prophesied to go forth in the end-times to those who could hear His voice.

God bless, and thanks for the post. And no offense about the dream interpretation thing. Just shooting you straight.
Hidden

Well, I need me some more dragon images in Catholic churches, or the Vatican. I'm onto a lead, but the trail is going cold.

 

[Brakelite]

Religion is faith in what we do

False religion is faith in what we do for salvation. True and pure religion is to be found by Jesus doing the work He set out... Feeding the hungry..
Clothing the naked...
Bringing the poor that are homeless to your house...
Visiting the sick and imprisoned...
Looking after orphans and widows...
I'm other words, loving your neighbor. Nothing wrong with religion like that. And what becomes of your salvation without those things?

 

[Hidden In Him]

The problem with those two examples is the individuals requesting interpretation were never Gods chosen to start with.

Good morning, Dcopymope, and hope you have a blessed day.

About the above, I think I know what you are trying to argue here, but your wording seems to belie it. This is actually what I am saying, that not everyone is chosen by God to interpret.

Today we have believers asking other believers what their own dreams mean, who will then give their own interpretations of those dreams, often citing OTHER people as their source, and not strictly God as it should be. If you believe your interpretation comes from God, you don't have to give sources to "prove" it, because God is your source.

I think we agree here as well, if by "citing other people" you mean going to some Dream Dictionary or something. I've never used them a day in my life, and I've interpreted close to a thousand dreams at this point, if not more.

Well, I need me some more dragon images in Catholic churches, or the Vatican. I'm onto a lead, but the trail is going cold.

Ah... ok, so this is what you are referring to then by "citing other people," or maybe you are. Well, if you are referring to citing Catholic sources like Malachi Martin and others to support what the dream is communicating, that's just corroborating evidence is all. When building a case, why should such things be left out in presenting a message given through a dream, if they further confirm what the Spirit is saying may well be true?

It's sort of like a judge telling a lawyer that he can only present his case, but cannot under any circumstances provide any evidence that might support it.

That's kind of an unfair position to take, don't you think?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Im sorry, i cant let this pass.

There is no command from God to leave the Catholic Church. And it is unwise of you to put words in His mouth.

On the contrary, John is emphatic that we must remain within the apostolic community:

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.

Peace be with you!

Hey, Philip James! Well, I appreciate the warning that I could be putting words in His mouth. I do. But nevertheless I have to share what I believe Revelations 18:4 is actually communicating. Moreover, as I've already stated, I firmly believe the time for this verse's fulfillment is drawing closer now, in light of the things discussed in the OPs; things which appear to be signaling the beginning of the fulfillment of Revelation 18:2 in earnest now.

 

[Marymog]

Four years, but I was interpreting heavenly visions for a great while before this, possibly 12-15 years.


Well, I certainly didn't get it out of a Cracker Jack box, if that's what you're asking, LoL. Let's just say it's not something I was born with. It is something that increasingly came to me as I got stronger and stronger in my relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.

Why do you ask, Mary?

God bless, and hope you are well.
Hidden

Thank you.

I ask because I find it fascinating when people make these claims. As you can probably understand most people, including myself, are skeptical about people who make these claims.

What I am most curious about is how do you know what dream interpretations you should reveal to others? After all you stated “I felt it was important enough that it should be made public”. You did what YOU felt was the right thing to do; make it public.

If God revealed the dream to you shouldn’t you wait on instructions from Him what to do instead of doing what you feel?

Mary

 

[Taken]

I bring it up...

I said you bring up your Catholic Church.

As for the Church - again, you'll never understand just what it is.

Not a Secret.
"The Catholic Church" is a manmade Building...with branch Manmade buildings, called Catholic Churches, each with members called Catholics, and said World-wide Members, individually Agree to follow Catholic Doctrine... but many members, including the authorative Clerics and Teachers and Congregate members...ARE SPLINTERED...Because ... "THEY" do NOT follow and DO, what "they" agreed to Follow and DO.

"The Catholic Church" is a SPIN OFF modeled After JEWISH Synagogs, having Authorative Leaders in Long Robes, Preaching what everyone else Should "Do", while They EXEMPT themselves, and desperately try to HIDE and COVER UP and KEEP Secret their Wicked Deeds.

I am well aware of the Differences Between All man-made Churches And Christ Jesus' One True Spiritual Church, (NOT built with men's hands.) And that Jesus NOT Once called His Church, or its members...Catholic.

And it is NOT a loose gaggle of tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different essential doctrines yet ALL claim to have the "truth".
And it is NOT any number of heretical quasi-Christian sects like YOURS that deny the basic doctrines of Christianity like the nature of Christ (Fully Divine and Fully Human).

LOL-
Catholic members attending their man-made buildings, all together, on CUE repeating what they are told, on CUE robotically all DOING the same Gestures...Does Not reveal...
The SPLINTERS, that they DO NOT all AGREE, or DO, with what ALL the Catholic DOCTRINES Teaches.

BTW-

Christ (Fully Human)

LOL
Humans are CREATED.
God is NOT a CREATED Human.

 

[Marymog]

I'm not doubting that satanic rituals are done in the Vatican, but really, this has been known for a while, and its everywhere, not just in the RCC.

Hi,

Where is your evidence that these Satanic rituals are done not only in the Vatican but in other churches?

What does the ritual consist of?

Curious Mary