The rich man and the beggar at his gate?

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VictoryinJesus

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symbols of the sinful soul that wasted her life in pleasures, riches and the vain glory of this world

Sounds like Luke 15:13-22 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living. [14] And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want. [15] And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. [16] And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him. [17] And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! [18] I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, [19] And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants. [20] And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. [21] And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. [22] But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:


Lazarus is a symbol of Christ (Matthew 25:40), Whom sinners did not feed, clothe, taken care of, etc

A question. Why did Jesus not go visit John the Baptist in prison? Instead sent word those captive are set free? The dead raised, the sick healed...

The dogs are those humble and faithful souls

Why did she recognize his table and the one who sat at it and asked for the crumbs which fell from the masters table?
 

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Revelation 17:4 KJV
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
This is strikingly familiar.

John 19:2-5 And the soldiers platted a crown of thorns, and put it on his head, and they put on him a purple robe, [3] And said, Hail, King of the Jews! and they smote him with their hands. [4] Pilate therefore went forth again, and saith unto them, Behold, I bring him forth to you, that ye may know that I find no fault in him. [5] Then came Jesus forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And Pilate saith unto them, Behold the man!

Luke 23:10-11 And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused him. [11] And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate.
 

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Okay, in the parable the rich man received only good his entire life Lazarus only evil.

Job 2:10 KJV
But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Why do you suppose the rich man of the parable never received any evil from God while alive?


why did Abraham receive good from God, who was full of wealth? your association is untenable, there's no correlation in God's site by a man's possessions. in the case of Job though it was Satan that attempted to have a man judged by his possessions. why are you doing the same?
 

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why did Abraham receive good from God, who was full of wealth? your association is untenable, there's no correlation in God's site by a man's possessions. in the case of Job though it was Satan that attempted to have a man judged by his possessions. why are you doing the same?


even Jesus concluded that nothing is impossible with God, in the case of a wealthy man's salvation. and surly poor men value possessions just as much as the rich do. the only difference is some have and some have not, and neither are the judgement of a man's soul. God's Judgement is Life, and man's judgement illustrated in both stories is death.
 

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why did Abraham receive good from God, who was full of wealth? your association is untenable, there's no correlation in God's site by a man's possessions. in the case of Job though it was Satan that attempted to have a man judged by his possessions. why are you doing the same?
2 Corinthians 6:10 KJV
As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
 

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why did Abraham receive good from God, who was full of wealth? your association is untenable, there's no correlation in God's site by a man's possessions. in the case of Job though it was Satan that attempted to have a man judged by his possessions. why are you doing the same?
I'm not
 

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why did Abraham receive good from God, who was full of wealth? your association is untenable, there's no correlation in God's site by a man's possessions. in the case of Job though it was Satan that attempted to have a man judged by his possessions. why are you doing the same?
I'm simply asking Why the rich man never received evil from God.
 

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Satan is the evil one and those that reject God open the door to satan to come in and destroy them not God.
 

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This was a real event with real people, even one of them named by name.
Notice how it’s not “Lazarus and the rich man,” as normal sentence structure would dictate? And for what it’s worth Lazarus is a Greek name, Not a Hebrew one
Jesus made nothing up.
How is it you did not know I was not talking about bread?
 

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It's actually "6", because the Rich Man was also one of the "brothers."

The Song of Deborah, widely acknowledged as one of the oldest passages in the Torah, mentions six tribes, Ephraim, Benjamin, Machir, Zebulun, Issachar, and Naphtali; Machir is described as a tribe in its own right and the other seven tribes are not mentioned at all.


And we know The Rich Man was a Torah-following Jew because he addressed Abraham as "Father Abraham." Lazarus, interestingly, is also a Greek name.

Might mean nothing. I just thought it was interesting.
And then again...see Joseph and five brothers here:

"And he took some of his brethren, even five men, and presented them unto Pharaoh." Gen 47:2
 

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No, not at all. I am saying that as I now can assess and evaluate information better than I could when I was younger, my understanding is based upon far more than it ever was when I was listening, almost exclusively, to teachers who naturally may have been simply passing on the particular biases THEY, themselves, were given from their own teachers.

I see things today that they never mentioned. It may be more accurate, it may not be. It is just MORE than I was given to look at than I was years ago. I don't like the idea of deciding things based upon only having "partial-information." Tomorrow, I may have discovered even more.
Thank you. I understand how you feel. You are growing in your knowledge. Your articulated it very well.

I personally find it hard to believe that after 2000 years of men interpreting Scripture that we only have “partial information”. But anything is possible.
 
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Thank you. I understand how you feel. You are growing in your knowledge. Your articulated it very well.

I personally find it hard to believe that after 2000 years of men interpreting Scripture that we only have “partial information”. But anything is possible.
i know the wolves will rush in as soon as i leave, not sparing the flock
 

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Then why did the rich man ask for Lazarus to be sent?

I presume the Rich man obviously thought Abraham had the power to raise up Lazarus' DEAD body, go To the rich man's brothers and convince them he saw their brother in torments in hell for rejecting Moses' teaching about God.
IMO-
(An attempt to "prove" without his brothers having Faith, that torments in hell exists. )


Glory to God,
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i know the wolves will rush in as soon as i leave, not sparing the flock
This would make for a good topic, because if we truly believe scripture as to be the infallible word if God,, then we also have too acknowledge that the wolves infact did rush in and they should be easy too identify?
 
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I'm simply asking Why the rich man never received evil from God.
Satan does not condemn those already serving Satan, before God. What point would there be in that? Work is God’s punishment. God is not concerned in the wages of sin and punishment. The end of that is death any way.
 

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Thank you. I understand how you feel. You are growing in your knowledge. Your articulated it very well.

I personally find it hard to believe that after 2000 years of men interpreting Scripture that we only have “partial information”. But anything is possible.
GINOLJC, to all
True, 1 Corinthians 13:10 "But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."

I been following this topic, and it's been enlighting. and my hat off to Waiting on him and VictoryinJesus.

when the Lord Jesus told and explain a future event from prophecy, that which was in part is fulfilled in him. the Jews knew exactly who and what the name "Lazarus" ment. yes, "Eliezer", Abraham purchased servant. who now our Lord Jesus "purchased" us with a price. two scriptures,
1 Corinthians 6:20 "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."

1 Corinthians 7:23 "Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men."

now what do this mean to as one said, "to a torah carrying Jew". listen, to the reason why one is bought with a price, Hebrews 9:11 "But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;"
Hebrews 9:12 "Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."
Hebrews 9:13 "For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:"
Hebrews 9:14 "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"
Hebrews 9:15 "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."
Hebrews 9:16 "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator."

Oops, hope I haven't given it away, the meaning of the teaching.

hope not, but the replies were great.
the Name "Eliezer" means God of help. it's the Hebrew word,
H461 אֱלִיעֶזֶר 'Eliy`ezer (el-ee-eh'-zer) n/p.
1. (meaning) God of help.
2. Eliezer, the name of a Damascene and of ten Israelites.
[from H410 and H5828]
KJV: Eliezer.

Now I would suggest one go back a re-read post #12 & #13. did one read those posts? good now this, a helper is called a "COMFORTER"..... (smile)... listen to the scripture,
Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him." the "consolation" of Israel is the Lord Jesus.
now what do one think or know what the word consolation mean? well lets have a look see,
Consolation: G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870

now when someone gives "help", or "comfort", they are called a ... "COMFORTER"..... :eek:
now in post #12 again,
Matthew 15:22 "And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil." (HOLD IT, "Have Mercy", which is an Indication of one in need of "HELP", and the Hebrew name, "Eliezer", as in Abraham servant of Damascus means,
H461 אֱלִיעֶזֶר 'Eliy`ezer (el-ee-eh'-zer) n/p.
1. (meaning) God of help.
lets contuine,
Matthew 15:23 "But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us."
Matthew 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Wait a minute, Lord Jesus say that again? you was sent to who? ...... ). is the Light blubs going off?
Matthew 15:25 "Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me." THERE IT IS, what doses, "Eliezer", Abraham servant of Damascus NAME means? ........ "God of help".
Matthew 15:26 "But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs."
Matthew 15:27 "And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table." (HOLD IT, what fell from the rich man table? Luke 16:21 "And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores." ding, ding, are we getting this now?

Matthew 15:28 "Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour."

this is just my two cent worth put in, but there is more.

side note: a poster is correct in saying that this is not a fictitious story. the way I found out that it was not, when you see the word "certain" used by the Lord Jesus in such a setting, LOOK out a Spiritual teaching is at hand. God use certian word to give us a heads up on a spiritual teaching. as such a "certain" man had two sons Matthews 21..... oop's I hope I din't give something away again... ;)

it seems that we have a morden day Priscilla and Aquila in our midst. it's refreshing to see this. God bless.

PICJAG.

PS as I started this post I will end it the same way, 1 Corinthians 13:10 "But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." ...... (smile).
 
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