Satanism In The Vatican

[Taken]

Hi,

Where is your evidence that these Satanic rituals are done not only in the Vatican but in other churches?

What does the ritual consist of?

Curious Mary

Perhaps it would satisfy your curiosity by reading a report by the Popes Chief exorcist: with his own quoted Viewpoint.
(Long positioned Rev. Amorth)
"Pope's Exorcist Says the Devil Is In the Vatican"
(Source: abcnews.go.com)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

I said you bring up your Catholic Church.
Not a Secret.
"The Catholic Church" is a manmade Building...with branch Manmade buildings, called Catholic Churches, each with members called Catholics, and said World-wide Members, individually Agree to follow Catholic Doctrine... but many members, including the authorative Clerics and Teachers and Congregate members...ARE SPLINTERED...Because ... "THEY" do NOT follow and DO, what "they" agreed to Follow and DO.
"The Catholic Church" is a SPIN OFF modeled After JEWISH Synagogs, having Authorative Leaders in Long Robes, Preaching what everyone else Should "Do", while They EXEMPT themselves, and desperately try to HIDE and COVER UP and KEEP Secret their Wicked Deeds.

I am well aware of the Differences Between All man-made Churches And Christ Jesus' One True Spiritual Church, (NOT built with men's hands.) And that Jesus NOT Once called His Church, or its members...Catholic.

LOL-
Catholic members attending their man-made buildings, all together, on CUE repeating what they are told, on CUE robotically all DOING the same Gestures...Does Not reveal...
The SPLINTERS, that they DO NOT all AGREE, or DO, with what ALL the Catholic DOCTRINES Teaches.

BTW-
LOL
Humans are CREATED.
God is NOT a CREATED Human.

Just as I said - you don't know what the Church is.

It's certainly NOT a "building". It's the Body of Christ (Col. 1:18, 1 Cor. 12, Acts 9:4-5).
It's Christ in His FULLNESS (Eph. 1:22-23). You're on the right track about ONE thing - but you're still a bit confused:
It's not a "spin off" of Judaism - it's the FULFILLMENT of Judaism.

Finally - thanks, once again for regurgitating your heresy about denying Christ's humanity.
It makes MY job of exposing you that much easier . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You don't think God believes your church worth defending?

He absolutely does.
Why would you think He wouldn't??

What is wrong with prejudice exactly?

It's actually frightening that an adult person would ask this question.

Prejudice is pre-conceived judgement. It's unfair bias that not based on reason.
It is precisely what you are NOT to do as a follower of Christ.

When I said that anti-Catholicism is the last acceptable prejudice - that's a BAD thing, not a good thing.
I shouldn't have to explain this to you . . .

 

[Hidden In Him]

I ask because I find it fascinating when people make these claims. As you can probably understand most people, including myself, are skeptical about people who make these claims.

Certainly I do. Skepticism when it comes to this sort of thing is actually more healthy than blind faith. There's a lot of misuse. I just tell people not to completely throw the baby out with the bathwater.

What I am most curious about is how do you know what dream interpretations you should reveal to others? After all you stated “I felt it was important enough that it should be made public”. You did what YOU felt was the right thing to do; make it public.

Well, I weigh what there is to gain against what there is to lose. For instance, if someone posts a dream publicly on a forum and I know what it is about, but that it will likely embarrass them in some way, I will simply post that I will be contacting them privately.

With this, I fully realized that it would offend some people, but I still thought it worth posting especially because of the implications for Catholics; again, not that I was expecting it to be warmly received by everyone in the rank and file, but that at least some might stop and consider things, and that there may be truly something to be scared of here in what appears to be going on.

If God revealed the dream to you shouldn’t you wait on instructions from Him what to do instead of doing what you feel?

This is an interesting and thoughtful question, but the truth is I have been and will be. The expressions "what I feel" and "what I am led to do" would simply be semantics. Were I to use them, I would be saying the same thing either way. This dream was one of several I/we received over the course of about 2-3 weeks, and they all dealt with the subject of the Catholic Church, something very strange because I don't recall doing ANY interpretations on Catholicism in the past. And it was dream, after dream, after dream, which is another thing I've never experienced before. So there is most certainly something important the Lord is now trying to communicate.

But I have actually been praying about when and how to post the others, and what exactly to entitle them. I promise you, I do indeed take others into consideration, as well as the forum rules of each particular site. Even though there is a lot of liberty at this forum, there is at least one dream that I will likely never publish anywhere. Way too strong. It was likely simply given as a further confirmation of what the subject matter of the entire collection of dreams was/is about.

God bless, and good questions.
Hidden

 

[Taken]

Just as I said - you don't know what the Church is.

It's certainly NOT a "building".

Uh huh said that a long time ago.

Finally - thanks, once again for regurgitating your heresy about denying Christ's humanity.

Heresy- LOL.

Christ the Lord Jesus is Spirit.
Funny you are unaware Spirits Can Appear in the "Likeness" as human men...
LOL.

 

[Philip James]

Hey, Philip James! Well, I appreciate the warning that I could be putting words in His mouth. I do. But nevertheless I have to share what I believe Revelations 18:4 is actually communicating. Moreover, as I've already stated, I firmly believe the time for this verse's fulfillment is drawing closer now, in light of the things discussed in the OPs; things which appear to be signaling the beginning of the fulfillment of Revelation 18:2 in earnest now.

Dear Hidden,

I dont doubt your sincerity.

And I might even agree that visons/dreams may have been given in reference to Babylon.

I would urge you to consider the ramifications of possibly misidentifying who Babylon is..

In my opinion, scripture gives a clear picture of her as an economic and military superpower.
'hammer of the whole earth' comes to mind...

Peace be with you!

 

[Heart2Soul]

@BreadOfLife ....even tho I am not Catholic I do agree that too many attacks on the Catholic Faith is unwarranted....>I am almost persuaded that they are the persecuted church in Revelation..lol. Especially in the media and in Christian Forums.
I believe it is a powerful spirit of division that started back when Rome destroyed Jerusalem and the church split.
This thread is not of God because prophesy is to profit all not provoke strife and anger.
May I suggest that instead of defending the church simply stand on your faith.

 

[Josho]

Dear Hidden,

I dont doubt your sincerity.

And I might even agree that visons/dreams may have been given in reference to Babylon.

I would urge you to consider the ramifications of possibly misidentifying who Babylon is..

In my opinion, scripture gives a clear picture of her as an economic and military superpower.
'hammer of the whole earth' comes to mind...

Peace be with you!

Hmmm, we should do a deep look into Rev 17 and 18, from when I read it last, it sounded more like someplace else, "the Harlot" could be representation of what goes on in Hollywood, and Hollywood's influence around the world.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Uh huh said that a long time ago.

Heresy- LOL.

Christ the Lord Jesus is Spirit.
Funny you are unaware Spirits Can Appear in the "Likeness" as human men...
LOL.

The Bible tells us that Jesus is a human being (Heb. 2:16-17,1 Tim, 2:5) - as well as God (John 8:58, 20:28).

YOU lack the faith to believe.

 

[BreadOfLife]

@BreadOfLife ....even tho I am not Catholic I do agree that too many attacks on the Catholic Faith is unwarranted....>I am almost persuaded that they are the persecuted church in Revelation..lol. Especially in the media and in Christian Forums.
I believe it is a powerful spirit of division that started back when Rome destroyed Jerusalem and the church split.
This thread is not of God because prophesy is to profit all not provoke strife and anger.
May I suggest that instead of defending the church simply stand on your faith.

Here's the problem . . .

It's easy for you to say that because you're not persecuted like Catholics are. I watched 9 of my 12 siblings parade right out of the Church when I was younger due to anti-Catholic attacks - and I was too ignorant to do anything about it.
It wasn't until they started working on myself and my younger brother that I began to take my faith seriously - and I studied. I discovered to my complete amazement that the reasons they left were due to ignorance of their faith - and their gullibility to anti-Catholic smears.

I resolved to never let that happen again - if I could help it. So, here I am to expose those who spread lies and falsehoods about the Church so that people aren't seduced out of their faith. If somebody leaved for doctrinal reasons - that's ONE thing - but it won't be out of ignorance.
Not on MY watch . . .

 

[Heart2Soul]

Here's the problem . . .

It's easy for you to say that because you're not persecuted like Catholics are. I watched 9 of my 12 siblings parade right out of the Church when I was younger due to anti-Catholic attacks - and I was too ignorant to do anything about it.
It wasn't until they started working on myself and my younger brother that I began to take my faith seriously - and I studied. I discovered to my complete amazement that the reasons they left were due to ignorance of their faith - and their gullibility to anti-Catholic smears.

I resolved to never let that happen again - if I could help it. So, here I am to expose those who spread lies and falsehoods about the Church so that people aren't seduced out of their faith. If somebody leaved for doctrinal reasons - that's ONE thing - but it won't be out of ignorance.
Not on MY watch . . .

I am persecuted often...but mine comes from my calling and the gift of the Holy Spirit...that is why I can empathize with you....I know how it feels to be wrongly attacked and accused.

Edit: Do you know how much I wrestled with posting on here that this thread was not of God....HiH is a friend I have known for awhile now....I prayed about it and sought counsel and advice and finally just had to obey the Holy Spirit....I expected backlash and I got it...what is most important is that I obeyed the Holy Spirit and gave the message...it's His job to do with it what He intends to do. It's out of my hands now.

 

[Josho]

Here's the problem . . .

It's easy for you to say that because you're not persecuted like Catholics are. I watched 9 of my 12 siblings parade right out of the Church when I was younger due to anti-Catholic attacks - and I was too ignorant to do anything about it.
It wasn't until they started working on myself and my younger brother that I began to take my faith seriously - and I studied. I discovered to my complete amazement that the reasons they left were due to ignorance of their faith - and their gullibility to anti-Catholic smears.

I resolved to never let that happen again - if I could help it. So, here I am to expose those who spread lies and falsehoods about the Church so that people aren't seduced out of their faith. If somebody leaved for doctrinal reasons - that's ONE thing - but it won't be out of ignorance.
Not on MY watch . . .

Perhaps you could tell us more about the attacks or maybe you could send me a pm if you feel more comfortable that way, I do find it sad.

 

[Marymog]

Perhaps it would satisfy your curiosity by reading a report by the Popes Chief exorcist: with his own quoted Viewpoint.
(Long positioned Rev. Amorth)
"Pope's Exorcist Says the Devil Is In the Vatican"
(Source: abcnews.go.com)

Glory to God,
Taken

Ok...I read it. It says NOTHING about satanic rituals in the Vatican.


Thank you for your time.

 

[Philip James]

Ok...I read it. It says NOTHING about satanic rituals in the Vatican.

Hi Mary,

It did however have this gem right at the end:
"The principle responsibility of the exorcist is to free man from the fear of the devil."

Peace be with you!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

 

[GTW27]

Perhaps you could tell us more about the attacks or maybe you could send me a pm if you feel more comfortable that way, I do find it sad.

"Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called sons of God."

 

[Brakelite]

He absolutely does.
Why would you think He wouldn't??

Then why does He not see fit to do so? Why does He need you to to defend it?

Prejudice is pre-conceived judgement. It's unfair bias that not based on reason.
It is precisely what you are NOT to do as a follower of Christ.

When I said that anti-Catholicism is the last acceptable prejudice - that's a BAD thing, not a good thing.
I shouldn't have to explain this to you . .

I agree with your definition. Based on that definition the criticism against Catholicism is therefore not prejudice. Much of the criticism leveled at your church is based on serious concern that the history that so marked the church if the dark ages... The cruelty.. The persecutions... Shall repeat only on a global scale not simply limited to Europe. That isn't prejudice. That isn't preconceived, nor ill concerned. Nor is it unfair or unreasonable. After all, the same dogmas that compelled the church to persecute still remain. The same mindset that pervades the powers in the Vatican still remain. The same ambitious prideful lust for power still remains. True, this does not apply to every Catholic... God forbid. That such would be the case... But obedience to the higher authorities within Catholicism... Those same high authorities who do world great influence and do harbor that lust... Obedience to them by Andrade Catholics is sacrosanct right? They know best? Right? So when they command Catholics around the world to obey, most will obey out of fear for their salvation. Will they not join in any future demand to persecute as they did in times past? Even thinking they are serving God? So, I don't see any unreasonable unjustified prejudice here... Just concern, considering Revelation 13 reveals just such a scenario.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Dear Hidden,

I dont doubt your sincerity.

And I might even agree that visons/dreams may have been given in reference to Babylon.

I would urge you to consider the ramifications of possibly misidentifying who Babylon is..

In my opinion, scripture gives a clear picture of her as an economic and military superpower.
'hammer of the whole earth' comes to mind...

Peace be with you!

Blessings, Philip, and thank you for the courteous post.

This question right here would deserve a thread entirely on its own if we were to treat the entirety of both Chapters. But to highlight a few passages that explain the correlation and the identifying markers, the parallel to Babylon is based primarily upon the speed with which her judgment comes, as was also the case with Babylon:

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. 9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, 10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. (Revelation 18:8-10)

- She is also a city, as was the case with Babylon:

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Revelation 17:18).

- She will be rich, as was the case with Babylon:

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls (Revelation 17:4)

- She will practice abominations (sexually licentious religious rites), as was the case with Babylon:

4b. ...having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth. (Revelation 17:4b-5)

- She will murder God's people, as was the case with Babylon:

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus (Revelation 17:6).

- She will practice sorcery, as was the case with Babylon:

23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee... for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. (Revelation 18:23)

- She will be destroyed by violence, as was the case with Babylon:

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

_____________

There are other verses that can be treated in Chapter 18, but these hit the highlights. I'm guessing this might be a question @Brakelite2 could possibly elaborate on further. Like I said, there is a lot to unpack in Revelations 17 and 18, so it would deserve its own thread. I'm guessing it's more the type of thing he and others might be willing to get into more deeply with you.

But excellent question, Philip, and I do confess it is indeed at the heart of the question. I believe it represents Rome, in particular because of some of the aspects discussed in the OP with regard to Revelation 18:2. But there are other interpretations that have been presented, as you can see just in some of the more recent posts.

God bless.

 

[Taken]

The Bible tells us that Jesus is a human being (Heb. 2:16-17,1 Tim, 2:5) - as well as God (John 8:58, 20:28).

YOU lack the faith to believe.

Heb 2:16
[16] For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
[17] Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

1 Tim 2:
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

You have been shown and explained this Before.

Humans are all CREATED from Dust of the Earth.

DUH...That does Not Apply to Jesus!
DUH...That does Not Apply to the Lord God Almighty!

The Lord God ALMIGHTY (all Power), can "MAKE" Himself "APPEAR" (to His Creations), in ANY "LIKENESS" He Desires!

This is Elementary Knowledge!

The "LIKENESS" God desired to Reveal HIS WORD, so mankind could SEE, was Specifically the "same "LIKENESS AS Human man", and you have been told and shown that on more than one occasion.

Phil 2:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Took UPON "Himself" ...
DUH...human mens EYES Can NOT SEE "HIMSELF", as HE IS...!!

Even a five year old knows when they take upon "Themselves" a Tiger suit...they may look like a Tiger, call themselves a Tiger, growl like a Tiger, Claw like a Tiger...but THEY Know they ARE NOT a Tiger!

Very Odd you can not comprehend the All Powerful God, IS NOT a Created Human, but can Take upon HIMSELF any LIKENESS He Desires. Weird!

 

[Taken]

Ok...I read it. It says NOTHING about satanic rituals in the Vatican.
Thank you for your time.

Guess you did not comprehend the presence of Satan in the Vatican, and the rituals performed in the Vatican, in effort to remove a Satanic spirit from people, And Catholic Clerics, even mentioning a Pope.

If a Catholic Cleric is possessed with a Satanic spirit...what is he teaching others?

 

[Josho]

Blessings, Philip, and thank you for the courteous post.

This question right here would deserve a thread entirely on its own if we were to treat the entirety of both Chapters. But to highlight a few passages that explain the correlation and the identifying markers, the parallel to Babylon is based primarily upon the speed with which her judgment comes, as was also the case with Babylon:

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. 9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, 10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. (Revelation 18:8-10)

- She is also a city, as was the case with Babylon:

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Revelation 17:18).

- She will be rich, as was the case with Babylon:

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls (Revelation 17:4)

- She will practice abominations (sexually licentious religious rites), as was the case with Babylon:

4b. ...having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth. (Revelation 17:4b-5)

- She will murder God's people, as was the case with Babylon:

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus (Revelation 17:6).

- She will practice sorcery, as was the case with Babylon:

23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee... for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. (Revelation 18:23)

- She will be destroyed by violence, as was the case with Babylon:

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

_____________

There are other verses that can be treated in Chapter 18, but these hit the highlights. I'm guessing this might be a question @Brakelite2 could possibly elaborate on further. Like I said, there is a lot to unpack in Revelations 17 and 18, so it would deserve its own thread. I'm guessing it's more the type of thing he and others might be willing to get into more deeply with you.

But excellent question, Philip, and I do confess it is indeed at the heart of the question. I believe it represents Rome, in particular because of some of the aspects discussed in the OP with regard to Revelation 18:2. But there are other interpretations that have been presented, as you can see just in some of the more recent posts.

God bless.

Hi HiH

I just don't see the Vatican in those verses. And I don't think it has been revealed yet. I think people's views on Rev 17 and 18 are just views at the moment, including mine, we don't know yet who the Harlot will be, and is Babylon even reffering to a specific location?

For starters, there is not enough real reliable information to start making claims about Rome or the Vatican representing Babylon, no offense anybody, but right now USA is the most influential nation, it is the centre of attention and it has been for decades and decades, it's the number 1 major world power at the moment, and many things are centralized in the USA, they got possibly the most powerful military in the world, a lot of the world's biggest businesses are based in the US, USA is also a leader in world entertainment, NYSE is one of the biggest if not the biggest stock markets in the world, at the moment there is a lot of centralization and focus on the USA.

Italy has a lot less influence on the current global scale compared to USA.