What does born again mean?

[Behold]

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It means that, as an unbeliever, you have a nature that is sinful. It means that because Adam sinned, this caused a " lost position".., where he was no longer connected to God, spiritually.
And all who were born since Adam, have this same situation... this same spiritual condition.

Our nature, is our spiritual condition... and its UNRIGHTEOUS.
We have a dead spirit, ... dead in the sense that is not a part of God's HOLY Spirit.
God is "A" Spirit.....= Holy Spirit.
We are not holy, we are sinful, sinners, and lost. "Lost" means we are disconnected from the Holy Spirit of God.
How is this resolved? God gives us His Righteousness, and it becomes OURS.
"we are made the righteousness of GOD = IN CHRIST".
"The Gift of Righteousness".

Through our FAITH .... God BIRTHS our spirit into His, and we become "ONE" with God and Christ.
How does this happen? Thru the power of the Holy Spirit.... God literally puts His Righteousness in us, and we become it, and this creates a BIRTH in our Spirit, that connects us to God's Spirit. = Born again.
This is the "new birth", or the 2nd Birth, which creates us as a "new Creation" "In Christ".
This is how we are born again. = Jesus said.."You must be born again"... John 3

What causes it?
"all that call on the name of Jesus, shall be SAVED". "Saved" means, justified in God's sight.
It means that the blood of Jesus is applied to us, which gives us a complete forgiveness that is eternal.
It causes us to be at peace with God, and it forever redeems us back into God's family.

 

[mailmandan]

The phrase "born again" literally means "born from above."

 

[Behold]

The phrase "born again" literally means "born from above."

Born from above, yet, it happens inside the person.
God causes it to happen inside us.

 

[user]

Born from above, yet, it happens inside the person.
God causes it to happen inside us.

Yes I agree. Jesus told Nicodemus born again is "of water and of the Spirit" (John 3:5).

Water = baptism
Spirit = Holy Spirit.

God Bless!

 

[Behold]

Yes I agree. Jesus told Nicodemus born again is "of water and of the Spirit" (John 3:5).

Water = baptism
Spirit = Holy Spirit.

God Bless!

No, thats not correct.
In both cases, Jesus is referring to an actual birth, related to the person.

1.) birthed into this world, your mother's water breaks, = water
2.) birthed into the kingdom of God, = born again, spiritually into...

Let me show you and others who are involved with the "cult of water baptism" something to realize.
If you actually read the NT...... Go to "Acts"....This is the "Acts of the Apostles".
Read every chapter, till the epistle ends.
What do you discover? You will discover that every time a person is Born again, they are water baptized AFTERWARDS.
Never are they born again, during the water baptism. NOT ONCE... NOT EVER.
Every time a person is born again in the NT, .....they are water baptized after this happens, as a symbolic gesture.

So, to teach that you are water baptized to be born again, or to be regenerated by water = is not found in the NT and not taught by Paul, or any of the Apostles.
Where is this teaching found?
In CULTS that have substituted water for the Blood Atonement.
Avoid these "cults of water baptism", as they will ruin your Faith and your Christianity.
They will teach you falsely, that "you are baptized into Christ", not by the Holy Spirit, but by the city water system.
Avoid these people. They are a CULT.

 

[bbyrd009]

ha that should go over big here huh
lol

arent we all in a "cult" though? "cultivation?"
id be wary of anyone cant admit that they are in a "cult" fwiw

How is this resolved? God gives us His Righteousness, and it becomes OURS.

not disagreeing with the words ok, but you might notice that you are drawn into testifying of yourself when you do that?

 

[Behold]

ha that should go over big here huh
lol

arent we all in a "cult" though? "cultivation?"
id be wary of anyone cant admit that they are in a "cult" fwiw
not disagreeing with the words ok, but you might notice that you are drawn into testifying of yourself when you do that?

Not at all.
Here is what i do. I follow Paul, as Paul follows Christ.
Paul said. "be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ".
What does he mean? He means that he is the Apostle to the Gentiles, and we are in the "time of the Gentiles".
He means that Jesus called him, separately, after Christ ascended, and took him "apart" for 3 yrs, and taught him what we understand as "The Gospel of the Grace of God". and "Church Doctrine".
So, any person who does not know what im talking about, iF ALL THIS SOUNDS NEW TO YOU.... and YOU want to instead talk instead about the "elect" and "water baptism",.. then you are totally lost in the theological weeds.
You are not even actually found in the NT as those who would understand anything about the Cross or the Blood Atonement.
Paul preached "Christ Crucified".... Heretics, preach "water saves", "baptism saves", "dead faith", and "works"... and "the predestined elect", as if this is the reason the NT exists. And, in their case, that is all they know, so that is all they talk about.
"You will know them by their Fruit"....and a heretics fruit is what they TEACH.
And that stuff they teach, that cult stuff, that omits the Blood Of Jesus, that Omits "the finished work of Jesus on the Cross", that omits "the Gift of Righteousness", and "justification by Faith"...
Avoid it. Avoid them.. And if you are caught up in it and are now wondering about what im saying, if you are HEARING ME = then that is a good thing for YOU..

 

[user]

No, thats not correct.
In both cases, Jesus is referring to an actual birth, related to the person.

This interpretation is extremely unlikely for several reasons:

1. It would be a very strange way to describe the natural birth, especially since this usage does not appear elsewhere in Scripture or in ordinary speech.

2. Jesus specifically informed Nicodemus that the new birth was a birth of water and Spirit, not a natural birth. A comparison of verses 3 and 5 shows that “born again” is equivalent to “born of water and of the Spirit”.

3. If birth of water means natural birth, then Jesus either told Nicodemus to do something he had already done or to do a physical impossibility. If this were the case, Nicodemus' questioning was valid, and Jesus would not have rebuked him.

4. It seems unnecessary to say we must be born into this world since everyone obviously has been.

5. If the birth of water is actually the natural birth, why did Jesus indicate that the new birth has two components? There may be a parallel between water in the natural birth and the new birth, but the context of John 3 establishes that the birth of water itself is not the natural birth.


God Bless!

 

[Behold]

This interpretation is extremely unlikely for several reasons:

1. It would be a very strange way to describe the natural birth,

It sounds "unlikely" to you, because when Nicodemus said...>"can i enter a second time into my mother's womb", you dont think he is talking about a natural birth. And why is that? Its because you have been lied to your entire Christian Life, and told that he is talking about water baptism.
You never took the time to open a NT and find out, as you just wanted to be led. And that is why you are where you are, theologically.
God didn't call you to always be led, He told you to take His NT and STUDY to show yourself approved, and you have not done this, yet.

Nicodemus, is not talking about WATER BAPTISM, ....He's asking Jesus..>"how can a man enter a 2nd TIME, = mother's womb".
Got that?
Do you comprehend?
So, see your problem?
You dont read a NT. You just listen to people who lie to you, and you think that because all your friends and probably your family have all been taught the same deceit, that it must be true.
But its not.
And as i was telling another "water saves" person yesterday......Here is the issue. if you actually read John 3, and REALIZE what im showing you, then what then? What if you come to understand that your denomination is false, that water is not able to regenerate or save.. anybody.
What then? What do you do then, when you are in your Church, and you realize that you are in a cult?
Most people would rather not realize it, because most people are very weak sheep, that just go along and really dont care about THE Truth.
So, if you discover what im telling you is TRUE, and NOT JUST YOU...but others who are reading me, then . Once YOU SEE IT, there is no going back.
Once you know, YOU KNOW !

Then, There is no more sitting there listening to a liar talk about "water saves"....water, water, water, water....
You'd have to take a stand, and not many can do it once they've spent all their Christianity being trained by lies.

 

[user]

It sounds "unlikely" to you, because when Nicodemus said...>"can i enter a second time into my mother's womb", you dont think he is talking about a natural birth. And why is that? Its because you have been lied to your entire Christian Life, and told that he is talking about water baptism.
You never took the time to open a NT and find out, as you just wanted to be led. And that is why you are where you are, theologically.
God didn't call you to always be led, He told you to take His NT and STUDY to show yourself approved, and you have not done this, yet.

Nicodemus, is not talking about WATER BAPTISM, ....He's asking Jesus..>"how can a man enter a 2nd TIME, = mother's womb".
Got that?
Do you comprehend?
So, see your problem?
You dont read a NT. You just listen to people who lie to you, and you think that because all your friends and probably your family have all been taught the same deceit, that it must be true.
But its not.
And as i was telling another "water saves" person yesterday......Here is the issue. if you actually read John 3, and REALIZE what im showing you, then what then? What if you come to understand that your denomination is false, that water is not able to regenerate or save.. anybody.
What then? What do you do then, when you are in your Church, and you realize that you are in a cult?
Most people would rather not realize it, because most people are very weak sheep, that just go along and really dont care about THE Truth.
So, if you discover what im telling you is TRUE, and NOT JUST YOU...but others who are reading me, then . Once YOU SEE IT, there is no going back.
Once you know, YOU KNOW !

Then, There is no more sitting there listening to a liar talk about "water saves"....water, water, water, water....
You'd have to take a stand, and not many can do it once they've spent all their Christianity being trained by lies.

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you ... For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures" (I Corinthians 15:1-4).

What Is the Gospel?...

The English word gospel means “good news” or “good message,” and as such it is a correct translation of the original Greek word euangelion. First Corinthians 15:1-4 gives us the basic biblical definition of the gospel - the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

How do we we identify with Christ’s burial? Paul explained how...

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? [4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: [6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

This is more likely the "water" component of the Born Again experience told to Nicodemus by Jesus.


God Bless!

 

[Behold]

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? [4]!

You are still not paying attention.
Look at your verse, ...
"Baptized INTO, INTO< INTO< INTO= INTO JESUS CHRIST".

You are reading...."into water".

You are not yet seeing the baptism is INTO JESUS........not into the city water supply.
This is a baptism into the SPIRIT, not into the dunk tank.

Wake up. !

 

[user]

You are still not paying attention.
Look at your verse, ...
"Baptized INTO, INTO< INTO< INTO= INTO JESUS CHRIST".

You are reading...."into water".

You are not yet seeing the baptism is INTO JESUS........not into the city water supply.
This is a baptism into the SPIRIT, not into the dunk tank.

Wake up. !

I'm sorry for you, but scripture really does say into water...

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized(G907) into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō

Thayer Definition:
1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe
3) to overwhelm


God Bless!

 

[Behold]

I'm sorry for you, but scripture really does say into water...

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Its the verse you used. maybe you should read it.

"baptized into Jesus Christ :""" [4]!

Notice, "baptized INTO JESUS"":

You can read?
Then read your verse.
You posted it.

 

[user]

Its the verse you used. maybe you should read it.

"baptized into Jesus Christ :""" [4]!

Notice, "baptized INTO JESUS"":

You can read?
Then read your verse.
You posted it.

One might read it like this...
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized(G907-through water) into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Which again, the "water" component of the Born Again experience.

God Bless!

 

[Behold]

One might read it like this...
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized(G907-through water) into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Which again, the "water" component of the Born Again experience.

God Bless!

Well, you can add to the verse, a heresy, but, that is only proving what im saying.

Water Baptism, is a symbolic situation.
Not once in the Bible, in both Testaments, is anyone ever born again IN THE WATER or OF the Water.
Now you dont care about this, and you just prefer to teach your church's idea.

 

[user]

Well, you can add to the verse, a heresy, but, that is only proving what im saying.

Water Baptism, is a symbolic situation.
Not once in the Bible, in both Testaments, is anyone ever born again IN THE WATER or OF the Water.
Now you dont care about this, and you just prefer to teach your church's idea.

Sorry you feel that way, but I can cross-reference this with Galatians...

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized(G907) into Christ have put on Christ.

The word used here is the same as in the Romans verse (G907), which is...


G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō

Thayer Definition:
1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe
3) to overwhelm

The Strong's Definition reads like this...

βαπτίζω
baptizō
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism: - baptist, baptize, wash.


If you don't believe me, Romans, or Galatians, then believe what Jesus said to Nicodemus...

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water(G5204) and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

G5204
ὕδωρ / ὕδατος
hudōr / hudatos

Thayer Definition:
1) water
1a) of water in rivers, in fountains, in pools
1b) of the water of the deluge
1c) of water in any of the earth’s repositories
1d) of water as the primary element, out of and through which the world that was before the deluge, arose and was compacted
1e) of the waves of the sea
1f) fig. used of many peoples


God Bless!

 

[mailmandan]

In regards to the word "water" in John 3:5, there are those who would argue that the natural sense of the passage parallels "water" with being born out of a mother’s womb (verse 4) and with "flesh" (verse 6). Simply stated in that case, Jesus told Nicodemus that in order to see the kingdom of God two births are necessary. The first is a physical, literal, "flesh" birth (accompanied by amniotic "water") and the second is Spirit.

There are also those who would argue that Jesus mentions "living water" in John 4:10, 14; 7:37-39 and in John 7:38-39, we read - "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing. If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38.

If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again. To automatically read "baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted.

Yet there are still others who would argue that "water" is used in the Bible as an emblem of the Word of God, and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, Divine life, so that we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:4). The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the Word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23), but the Holy Spirit is the Agent Who accomplishes the miracle of regeneration.

 

[Behold]

Sorry you feel that way, but I can cross-reference this with Galatians...

I'll give the reader one more proof that Water is only symbolic, and you are not baptized into Christ, in the dunk tank, using city water.

Look carefully.

The person who wrote......" as many as have been baptized INTO Christ".

Is the same Apostle who wrote this.....>"Christ sent me NOT TO WATER BAPTIZE".

So, would He write that, and be talking about "water baptism", as being baptized INTO Christ?

Thats a NO.

 

[bbyrd009]

Not at all.
Here is what i do. I follow Paul, as Paul follows Christ.
Paul said. "be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ".
What does he mean? He means that he is the Apostle to the Gentiles, and we are in the "time of the Gentiles".
He means that Jesus called him, separately, after Christ ascended, and took him "apart" for 3 yrs, and taught him what we understand as "The Gospel of the Grace of God". and "Church Doctrine".
So, any person who does not know what im talking about, iF ALL THIS SOUNDS NEW TO YOU.... and YOU want to instead talk instead about the "elect" and "water baptism",.. then you are totally lost in the theological weeds.

oh jesus no, we're fairly fam with the "two gospels" schtick i guess, prolly even a thread or two by that name

wasn't Paul specifically making the "follow Jesus" point there? "Follow me, in following Christ, and not me or Apollos" whatever?

You are not even actually found in the NT as those who would understand anything about the Cross or the Blood Atonement.
Paul preached "Christ Crucified".... Heretics, preach "water saves", "baptism saves", "dead faith", and "works"... and "the predestined elect", as if this is the reason the NT exists. And, in their case, that is all they know, so that is all they talk about.

hmm, not fam with the two ever being separated tbh, but ty anyway

"You will know them by their Fruit"....and a heretics fruit is what they TEACH.
And that stuff they teach, that cult stuff, that omits the Blood Of Jesus, that Omits "the finished work of Jesus on the Cross", that omits "the Gift of Righteousness", and "justification by Faith"

ha, you dont think youre in a Cult too, though? The Greasy Grace or whatever...i mean im sure there's a better phrase from your point of view; the "Grace Alone" bunch or whatever? Still a cult, though, i mean nothing wrong with "cult" per se i dont think. Yall manip all must come before the judgement seat some kinda way though? Usually?

Avoid it. Avoid them

huh? Nah! theyre harmless, i mean they speak in definitives too yeh, really not too hard to turn off or whatever.
Everyone is entitled to their perspective eh. Avoid saying that you know imo

And if you are caught up in it and are now wondering about what im saying, if you are HEARING ME = then that is a good thing for YOU..

ok well not sure what prompted all this, heck i forget what the subject was now even lol, but best of luck with the perspective ok. Fwiw its a fairly pop one around here i think, preachin/choir there prolly

 

[Behold]

oh jesus no, we're fairly fam with the "two gospels" schtick i guess, prolly even a thread or two by that name

wasn't Paul specifically making the "follow Jesus" point there? "Follow me, in following Christ, and not me or Apollos" whatever?

hmm, not fam with the two ever being separated tbh, but ty anyway

ha, you dont think youre in a Cult too, though? The Greasy Grace or whatever...i mean im sure there's a better phrase from your point of view; the "Grace Alone" bunch or whatever?

You speak like a 12 yrs old.
Its that "prolly" about right?
"prolly"?
Sometimes i almost forget that even a very young teen can have access to a Christian forum, but then one like you shows up again.

Also, I dont preach 2 Gospels, so, try to comprehend that.. bbyrd009.
Jesus IS Christianity, while Paul is the perfect example of the Grace of God.
Paul was helping Christians be murdered before he was born again, and ended up writing all the Doctrine for the Church found in a NT, and wrote almost 75% of the NT.

The cult of greasy grace? That sounds retarded.
I suppose You don't mean the people who have fallen from Grace, who deny it, who reject the Cross, and replace it with works that spit on the Cross.
You mean You?
Yes we are in agreement on that point.
Ive dealt with a lot of disrespectful Grace haters, over the years.
Do you think you are a surprise to me?
Listen, if people like you didn't follow me around on a forum, then something would be wrong.
See, the "cult of water baptism", and the false "gospel of works" people, always find me.