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The charismata are higher than just personal skills.There are many gifts God has given to believers that are not listed in the Bible, for the list would be another book in itself! What about singers? Is not singing a gift? Counseling others? Is that not a gift?
Evangelism requires a great deal of teaching
I agree, but this is not evangelism."But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord.
Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you
to give the reason for the hope that you have." 1 Peter 3:15 NIV
You because it's not your specific strength and it's not your particular office at this time doesn't mean that Christ's light shouldn't still be shining through you.It's not just in this thread that I see it is this way - lol - trust me. I believe it IS a gift (as well as an office).
There are many gifts God has given to believers that are not listed in the Bible, for the list would be another book in itself! What about singers? Is not singing a gift? Counseling others? Is that not a gift?
The key is "God will enable them according to HIS CHOOSING".We analyse, we dissect, we debate but how helpful is it? There will always be those with poor judgement; those who perceive themselves to be mouthpieces for God wrongly.
There are those on religious trips that have no knowledge of God.....and those who join movements and participate because they are clubbers.....these will all spew their ignorance irrespective of any factor.
For folk who have been touched by the Spirit of God; who have seen and tasted that the Lord is good, these will share their knowledge in whatever capacity they are able......and God will enable them according to his choosing.
"Are all believers called to evangelize?"
What you are describing is not the definition of evangelist as described in the new testament. We are to give an account of our hope and being a witness is living a godly life. Sharing our testimony is a good thing too if God calls us to do so, but again, this is not an evangilist.
Agreed.
I would disagree here, in order to be an evangelist, the person must have a sound understanding of the gospel AND be able to teach it to others.
Younger, less mature believers - who are not called - believe they are supposed to go and evangelize, imo, this has caused a major negative impact on the church.
An evangelical church is not a denomination, it's a "type" of church, as in we are evangelizing, most protestant non-denominational churches today claim to be "evangelical". The members of these churches believe they are ALL called to this position - evangelism - and this is what I disagree with.
See Philemon 1:6 (kjv).I think what @Jane_Doe22 was speaking to was that our very lives (Christians, all) should be preaching the Gospel. "Preach the Gospel at all times, use words if necessary" St. F. of Assissi
Correct me if I'm wrong about that Jane! :)
Agree. Being an Evangelist and evangelizing are callings but not for all. We are many members
@OzSpen Agreed, indeed!historyb,
I agree that some have the gift of being an evangelist, e.g. Eph 4:11 (ERV). However, to Timothy the pastor-teacher, Paul said: 'But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry (2 Tim 4:2 ERV).
I am a teacher-apologist by gifting, but I pursue Paul's instruction, 'Do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry'.
Oz
I agree it's a gift, I do believe when Paul instructed Timothy, he knew Timothy had been called by God to office positions.historyb,
I agree that some have the gift of being an evangelist, e.g. Eph 4:11 (ERV). However, to Timothy the pastor-teacher, Paul said: 'But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry (2 Tim 4:2 ERV).
I am a teacher-apologist by gifting, but I pursue Paul's instruction, 'Do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry'.
Oz
I agree it's a gift, I do believe when Paul instructed Timothy, he knew Timothy had been called by God to office positions.
Exactly. We can't just quote a Scripture but must look at the context and in this context it was to Timothy not really to us
So does this apply to you justbyfaith?All scripture is inspired of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness.
Possibly. It may be in my mental illness; but I believe in time travel. And it is possible that the document that I wrote will in the future be translated into Greek and sent back in time to Paul's time.So does this apply to you justbyfaith?
2 Timothy 4:13 When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments.
Of course all believers are called to evangelize. You don't need any official position to spread the good news and explain your faith to others.If all believers are to evangelize, why is there an office for it?
I understand we are to give an account for the hope we have in us, be able to defend our faith and answer questions. Even sharing our faith and testimony to those whom God has called us to share it with, but not seeing where we are all given the gift and/or office of evangelists.
Wouldn't an evangelist need to be more mature in their faith, have a strong foundation of knowledge about the faith. I have seen many believers play evangelists and they error in their doctrine when speaking and are not able to defend their faith in a way that is convincing.
Where did this idea originate that we are all evangelists? There are a few "evangelical churches" who should probably revisit foundational doctrine. It seems damage has been caused by these and people who go out and evangelize when God has clearly not called them to do so.
Agree? Disagree?