FACTS ABOUT ABORTION

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Adam was made of dirt, but we are all made of dirt.

Job confirms the Genesis account:
“Behold, I belong to God like you;
I too have been formed out of the clay."
“The Spirit of God has made me,
And the breath of the Almighty gives me life." Job 33

"Till I die I will not put away my integrity from me.
For as long as life is in me,
And the breath of God is in my nostrils" Job 27

Jewish Law based upon Scripture, declares a fetus does not become a living being unitil God breathes it's nostrils, the breath of life, and having nostrils and the ability to breath, would seem to be a prerequisite for that to happen.

Solomon describes what happens at death "Man's body returns to the dust from whence it came; And the spirit returns to God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7

Paul says the body is really unimportant. Flesh and blood do not inherit the Kingdom of God, it is just a housing unit to temporarily carry our spirit while we are here on earth. "For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven" 2 Corinthians 5:1-2

The body is really unimportant. Flesh and blood do not inherit the Kingdom of God, it is just a housing unit to temporarily carry our spirit while we are here on earth. "For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven" 2 Corinthians 5:1-2

"For as the body apart from the spirit is dead" James 2:26 )

This theme is found throughout Scripture, right up to the end of Revelation, when after the two witnesses in Revelation having been slain, "after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet;" Rev 11:11

Rita, I hope this helps to explain that what happened with Adam, was not just an isolated anomaly that happened only to him.

I have no particular agenda regarding abortion. My only agenda is to support the truth proclaimed of Scripture.
Thankyou for your opinion but you are on the wrong thread. This all about facts, not opinions.
 
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FACT NUMBER THREE

Amnesty International claims the following.

It is not only cisgender women and girls (women and girls who were assigned female at birth) who may need access to abortion services, but also intersex people, transgender men and boys, and people with other gender identities who have the reproductive capacity to become pregnant.

So men and boys should be allowed to have abortions. They have forgotten one thing. Men and boys do not get pregnant.
 

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FACT NUMBER FOUR
If you are dealing with an unplanned pregnancy, you may be considering an abortion as a solution to your situation. Because we care about your health and well-being, we want you to know the facts.

Abortion is not just a simple medical procedure. For many women, it is a life-changing event with significant physical, emotional, and spiritual consequences. Most women who struggle with past abortions say that they wish they had been told all of the facts about abortion and its risks. (Foundation of Life)
 

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FACT NUMBER FIVE.
One of the reasons given for having an abortion is that the girl is too young to have a baby. Apparently she is not too young to have sex which creates the baby in the first place.
 

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I am only going by what the Bible says. God creates abortions on a routine basis: spontaneous abortions, also called miscarriages.

God has warned us that after being set free, the church will be invaded by those who desire to destroy that freedom by adding their own laws to ensure we are kept in bondage.

The anti-God anti-abortionists are one such group, promoting a self-made cult are an evil entity, determined to enforce their lunacy upon the whole world. That is Allah’s agenda: obey us or we will cut off your head! Unlike them God has provided no law in all of Scripture forbidding abortion!!
So all those pregnancy centres that are out there to give help to those who are pregnant but have evaded the pressure to have an abortion are an evil entity?

One such centre that was run by a church I used to belong to when presented with a pregnant girl didn't say "That's OK, go and get an abortion." No, they found out what the girl's situation was and then provided appropriate help such as a place to live, a mother to help her through the pregnancy, supported her when she gave birth, helped her in her mothering abilities if she kept the baby or helped arrange adoption if she didn't want to keep the baby.

So do tell me, what is evil about that?
 
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Philip, Indeed, a civilization that murders it's own children is evil, but we are not discussing murder here, we are talking about aborting a fetus which has never had life, because it has never born.

Murder, is the unlawful taking of life. You cannot murder something that has never been a "living being".

Stan B, A specialist in telling the standard lies of abortion supporters.
 
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Adam was made of dirt, but we are all made of dirt.

Job confirms the Genesis account:
“Behold, I belong to God like you;
I too have been formed out of the clay."
“The Spirit of God has made me,
And the breath of the Almighty gives me life." Job 33

"Till I die I will not put away my integrity from me.
For as long as life is in me,
And the breath of God is in my nostrils" Job 27

Jewish Law based upon Scripture, declares a fetus does not become a living being unitil God breathes it's nostrils, the breath of life, and having nostrils and the ability to breath, would seem to be a prerequisite for that to happen.

Solomon describes what happens at death "Man's body returns to the dust from whence it came; And the spirit returns to God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7

Paul says the body is really unimportant. Flesh and blood do not inherit the Kingdom of God, it is just a housing unit to temporarily carry our spirit while we are here on earth. "For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven" 2 Corinthians 5:1-2

"For as the body apart from the spirit is dead" James 2:26 )

This theme is found throughout Scripture, right up to the end of Revelation, when after the two witnesses in Revelation having been slain, "after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet;" Rev 11:11

Rita, I hope this helps to explain that what happened with Adam, was not just an isolated anomaly that happened only to him.

I have no particular agenda regarding abortion. My only agenda is to support the truth proclaimed of Scripture.

NO particular agenda regarding abortion? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
 
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Bible is very clear that life does not begin until a fetus is born, and God breathes into him the Breath/Spirit of Life.
Since fetuses are very much alive within the womb, it should be obvious that God had already breathed the breath of life into them. And the Bible says the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you have stated. In fact no Christian would accept your statement.

For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. (Luke 1:44)

That one verse should settle the issue, and hopefully you will admit that you were completely misinformed.
 

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Since fetuses are very much alive within the womb, it should be obvious that God had already breathed the breath of life into them. And the Bible says the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you have stated. In fact no Christian would accept your statement.

For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. (Luke 1:44)

That one verse should settle the issue, and hopefully you will admit that you were completely misinformed.

Stan B misinformed? That'll be the day. He is a world authority on all those ideas that he does not agree with and he doesn't have the courage of his convictions to start a thread of his own on the topic. He has to attack everyone else's. So pathetic.
 
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FACT NUMBER SIX

Abortion and mental health
One comprehensive study of 400 international studies into the psychological risks associated with abortion concluded that up to 20% of women who had an abortion suffered from serious, prolonged, negative consequences.
 
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I am providing this information because some people here don't want to be reminded of how gross abortion is and how cruel and barbaric it is. After all the baby has done nothing to warrant being murdered in the womb. IF THAT IS YOU, GO NO FURTHER.

Abortion was not on my radar until I saw the ultrasound video known as The Silent Scream, a video recorded and filmed by an abortionist during an actual abortion. The baby being aborted was screaming as the forceps grabbed hold of him.

For people who say it is only a blob of cells, I say go and take a long walk off a short pier.

So here is fact number one. Aborted babies feel pain.

1. Pain receptors develop early.
In her testimony before Congress in May of 2012, Dr. Colleen Malloy, MD, a board-certified Neonatologist and Assistant Professor at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, described the following developmental milestones of an unborn child, indicating very early perception of pain:

  • At 8 weeks gestation, facial sensory receptors appear.
  • At 14 weeks gestation, sensory fibers grow into the spinal cord, and connections are made with the thalamus (part of the brain).
  • Between 13 and 16 weeks gestation, monoamine fibers (nerve cells or fibers) reach the cerebral cortex (another part of the brain).
  • Between 17 and 20 weeks gestation, thalamo-cortical relays (pathways to the brain for sensory information) penetrate the cortex.
  • No later than 20 weeks gestation, pain receptors are present and linked.
“Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world” (Jerusalem Talmud; Sanhedrin 4:1 (22a))........If you have saved one soul by posting this...I had an abortion 28 years ago, By suction method I think. I cry about it most days, can’t believe what I did. No excuse for murdering innocent souls. Abortion fact 2 couldn’t be any worse. I can’t get over it...Just Read of an abortionist whose been charged. The op went wrong & the baby, once delivered, started crying, so he immersed it in water to kill it. Lord have mercy on all of us who have shed innocent blood.
 

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It definitely is a big problem abortion in today's world. Over 20 million have died from abortion this year according to www.worldometer.info and as @Enoch111 quoted from the Bible "the babe leaped in my womb for joy. (Luke 1:44)"

Unborn babies in wombs are living and breathing.

Of course as @Giuliano pointed out in some other thread, banning abortion is not going to completely stop it, there is the massive risk of people going for backyard abortions and illegal dangerous operations, which may not only kill the baby, but also the mother. There are other issues that can be addressed to reduce the number of abortions.

- Reducing financial pressures, finding ways to make the cost of living cheaper and increasing average weekly earnings, people used to raise big families with many kids, decades ago the mum used to stay at home to look after the kids and daddy would go to work, that has changed, we are seeing less of that now because of the cost of living, we are now in a world, that in a lot of families both parents are working and some are still struggling to make ends meet, also childcare/kindergarten/preschool is costing parents heaps.

- Also there are other issues, there needs to be a reduction in the amount of rape cases around the world.

- There also needs to be a reduction in the rate of teenagers becoming pregnant, kids need to be raised better, education needs to improve, the entertainment industry and media also should take action, as too much is over-sexualized these days.

- People with disabilities also need better lives, nations around the world need to be more loving and caring towards disabled people, they need good education, good friends, good job opportunities, I agree aborting down syndrome babies is awful, and they tried to eliminate down syndrome in Iceland by abortion, that's a world problem, and the issue is people need to treat others better, people need to love and care for one another more. If the world was a better place for disabled people, significantly less people will be aborting those unborn babies diagnosed with disabilities.

Probably haven't mentioned everything, but fix those issues above, and abortion rates will plummet.

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This is a sensitive topic, but I have not minced words in my belief that abortion is the taking of an innocent life (i.e. murder). God has said that the hands that take that life are detestable to Him! (It might do us all well to look at all of the things in this verse that God hates....)

Proverbs 6:16-19
There are six things which the Lord hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.


At the same time, in any discussion on abortion, I'm always mindful of the women who have had abortions and have to live with their choice all of their lives. It must be very difficult, as some women on this forum have said. I know that God forgives and wants my Christian sisters to know and live in His forgiveness.

To those who believe that the baby in the womb is not alive, I ask this question: when is he/she alive?? Would you say that the baby is alive the day he is born? How about the day before that? Does the baby magically become alive when he pops out of the womb?

One of the lies of abortionists that I hate the most is the lie that the fetus is just a blob of tissue, not a baby. With over 60,000,000 (that's 60 MILLION) abortions in America alone, we can assume that many women have believed this lie since abortion was made legal in the '70s. But ultrasound technology has exposed this as a BIG lie! When I was 8-weeks pregnant, my doctor ordered a routine ultrasound. I was shocked to see that my 8-week-old "fetus" had individual fingers. This was no blob!!!

In Psalms 139:13, King David declared, "For it was You who created my inward parts; You knit me together in my mother’s womb." And other Bible verses speak of the unborn in similar ways. John the Baptist lept in Elizabeth's womb, and Jeremiah says that God consecrated him before he was born.

Jeremiah 1:4-5--Now the word of the Lord came to me saying,“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

I urge anyone who is in support of abortion "rights" to rethink your position! If what you say is used to persuade even one woman to have an abortion, I believe that the innocent baby's blood will be on your hands, and you will answer to God on Judgment Day!

To any women who read this and are considering abortion, please don't do it! Abortion may SEEM like the easiest way out of an unwanted pregnancy, but having your baby killed can haunt you all the days of your life. Resources are available to women who choose life. There is no shortage of women who long for a baby and would love to adopt. I pray that you will not choose to be party to shedding the innocent blood of your unborn baby.
 
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Thank you for your opinion as to when life begins, but then there is God's opinion. Bible is very clear that life does not begin until a fetus is born, and God breathes into him the Breath/Spirit of Life.

God is very specific as to when a fetus becomes a living being: “The LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being” (Genesis 2:7). Adam did not become a living being until then. God breathed into the nostrils of man his spirit, which who a person really is. The body dies and returns to dust, while the spirit lives on forever.

Until God has breathed into the fetus the breath/spirit of life, God says it is dead!

"For as the body apart from the spirit is dead" James 2:26 )

Adam was not born as we are but his body was formed from dust. God breathed life into him but that life was transmitted to his descendants without the need for a special act of God. As far as I know there is only one other place in the Bible where it says God breached life into someone.

But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood up on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.
Revelation 11:11 ESV

These are the two witnesses who will be killed by the beast. Neither incident gives any support to the idea that abortion is permissible.

I am only going by what the Bible says. God creates abortions on a routine basis: spontaneous abortions, also called miscarriages.

God has warned us that after being set free, the church will be invaded by those who desire to destroy that freedom by adding their own laws to ensure we are kept in bondage.

The anti-God anti-abortionists are one such group, promoting a self-made cult are an evil entity, determined to enforce their lunacy upon the whole world. That is Allah’s agenda: obey us or we will cut off your head! Unlike them God has provided no law in all of Scripture forbidding abortion!!

God gave us life. He has the right to take if from us. No human has such a right.

The church has been invaded by those who wish to take our freedom from us. One group of invaders is those who try to teach that abortion is permissible. God has given a law forbidding abortion. One of the ten commandments is, "Do not murder."
 
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“Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world” (Jerusalem Talmud; Sanhedrin 4:1 (22a))........If you have saved one soul by posting this...I had an abortion 28 years ago, By suction method I think. I cry about it most days, can’t believe what I did. No excuse for murdering innocent souls. Abortion fact 2 couldn’t be any worse. I can’t get over it...Just Read of an abortionist whose been charged. The op went wrong & the baby, once delivered, started crying, so he immersed it in water to kill it. Lord have mercy on all of us who have shed innocent blood.
Thankyou so much for telling your story. I feel for you as I know there are many more women out there who feel the same way.
 

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It definitely is a big problem abortion in today's world. Over 20 million have died from abortion this year according to www.worldometer.info and as @Enoch111 quoted from the Bible "the babe leaped in my womb for joy. (Luke 1:44)"

Unborn babies in wombs are living and breathing.

Of course as @Giuliano pointed out in some other thread, banning abortion is not going to completely stop it, there is the massive risk of people going for backyard abortions and illegal dangerous operations, which may not only kill the baby, but also the mother. There are other issues that can be addressed to reduce the number of abortions.

- Reducing financial pressures, finding ways to make the cost of living cheaper and increasing average weekly earnings, people used to raise big families with many kids, decades ago the mum used to stay at home to look after the kids and daddy would go to work, that has changed, we are seeing less of that now because of the cost of living, we are now in a world, that in a lot of families both parents are working and some are still struggling to make ends meet, also childcare/kindergarten/preschool is costing parents heaps.

- Also there are other issues, there needs to be a reduction in the amount of rape cases around the world.

- There also needs to be a reduction in the rate of teenagers becoming pregnant, kids need to be raised better, education needs to improve, the entertainment industry and media also should take action, as too much is over-sexualized these days.

- People with disabilities also need better lives, nations around the world need to be more loving and caring towards disabled people, they need good education, good friends, good job opportunities, I agree aborting down syndrome babies is awful, and they tried to eliminate down syndrome in Iceland by abortion, that's a world problem, and the issue is people need to treat others better, people need to love and care for one another more. If the world was a better place for disabled people, significantly less people will be aborting those unborn babies diagnosed with disabilities.

Probably haven't mentioned everything, but fix those issues above, and abortion rates will plummet.

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Making murder illegal does not stop it, but at least tax payers are not funding sin.
A nation that support and funds the murdering of over 600,000 babies a year....not ten, not hundred, are they going to shoot for a million next year!

So a guy gets up and has his bagel and celestial tea and goes to work to murder a few babies. He does this everyday....women come into his office and disrobes and lays down on table and spreads their legs to have a monster come up and murder their babies....the table might as well be a altar to Satan and this might as well be a sacrifice to Satan. What does God think looking down on that? What kind of human heart could do this everyday?