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[Heart2Soul]

Heart2Soul,


Here you go my friend, let me know if you believe it. You said if you were not there you cannot say it was right or wrong.....I believe we can reject it ;
The apparitions

Okay, I read through most of it. Again I would say I don't agree with their beliefs but I won't tell them it didn't happen. I used to believe the RCC was the church of the antichrist but that was years ago. I have learned alot about their faith through my daughter. Her dad's side of the family is Catholic....(she isn't)...but I do respect the Catholic Charities...they are very involved in helping those in need.

 

[Bobby Jo]

@amadeus

At this point I believe I have answered all your questions.

... maybe not so much "questions", but more "sowing tares".

Bobby Jo

To All,

"DISCERNMENT" is one of the GIFTS to the church.

2 Tim. 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.​

Bobby Jo

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Sorry Anthony, I rescinded my like on your op...only because there are several things listed on there that I do not agree with, then there are those that I DO agree with.

Not a problem Nancy. I was thankful for your honesty in admitting that there was a time when you tried to make believe you spoke in tongues to fit in, you should never feel pressured to conform to the crowd.
I think that happens with most of the so-called "moving In The Gifts" experiences.
People are told that making such noises is a secret prayer language that Satan cannot understand.
It is all fabricated.
I am getting reacted against because many here have not heard sound biblical teaching of the Historic, confessional churches.
When these false ministries are exposed people defend the error saying...oh, that guy is extreme, but what i do is different.

 

[ScottA]

We live in a day when people have turned from truth to fables so it should not be a surprise that some even on message boards have been deceived into such false ideas.

No one on this board has:

1]traveled to heaven and back

2]Had God-given visions

3]speak or pray in tongues

4]raised the dead

5]received a postcard from "Luke"

6] had any contact with Apostles

7] seen the Virgin Mary

8] been given visions

9] "move" in the gifts

10] seen demons flying around in church

11] seen demons chasing squirrels in their attic

12] bound satan

13] spoken rhema words

14] received a "double portion"

15] detecting auras

16] believing God for a miracle

17] been "slain in the Spirit"

18] name it and claim it

19 ] and of course claiming the old standby "the anointing breaks the yoke"

20]Had bouts of "holy laughter"

These and other such fabrications are offered as a poor substitute for the faith ONCE GIVEN TO THE SAINTS
Many claim these and more but need to examine their claims in light of scripture, not claim their experiences trump scripture.

Why do you speak for and about others regarding what you yourself have never experienced and therefore could not possibly know for certain? Do you not know that if even one is true you are guilty of envy, and that to do so brings their condemnation upon yourself?

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Okay, I read through most of it. Again I would say I don't agree with their beliefs but I won't tell them it didn't happen. I used to believe the RCC was the church of the antichrist but that was years ago. I have learned alot about their faith through my daughter. Her dad's side of the family is Catholic....(she isn't)...but I do respect the Catholic Charities...they are very involved in helping those in need.

That is the value of these boards, information can be shared in public.
Each person can then make informed decisions.You cannot tell them it did not happen, I can.
We have a closed canon [rule]of scripture, nothing added or taken away. The Spirit quickens the word to us now
I reject automatically all such extra-biblical claims right away, because I remain under the God-given protection of scripture .
Oral Roberts 900 ft Jesus, 7 hour conversation, NO.
Joseph Smith , leaves his bible, goes out in the woods, the angel Moroni, golden plates...NO
Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, William Branham, Smith Wigglesworth, Alexander Dowie, Kenneth Hagin, Rod Parsley, Creflo[take your]Dollar, Joyce Meyer, Paula White, Furtick, Duplantis,Todd White,David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, Jim Jones, NO.
We are not to seek new or additional revelation, but rather obey what we are given
Jesus taught we cannot go back and forth to heaven Lk 16. We have scripture. Jesus taught what we need to know about Him from Scripture.Lk24.

I had posted about the Apostles earlier, here is a brief list of what I posted, Acts 4:33, Acts5:1-12,Acts14:3, Acts 27...I will expand on it later.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

You can always find counterfeits for the real workings of God's Spirit. This doesn't mean that the real workings of the Holy Spirit, such as prophecy and tongues, which are biblical gifts, are not valid.

Hello PW,
Thank you for your response. The thing is there were already the counterfeits on the scene when the Apostles were alive on the earth. Paul in giving the instructions on tongues in 1 cor12-14, was seeking to remedy the abuses and fleshly displays when the gifts were manifested. We are told how they were to be used when they were there, He explains the false were already on the scene,2cor11,12.
Hebrews2 already looks back on the signs as past;
Hebrews 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Why do you speak for and about others regarding what you yourself have never experienced and therefore could not possibly know for certain? Do you not know that if even one is true you are guilty of envy, and that to do so brings their condemnation upon yourself?

Hello Scott,
We live in a world where all kinds of claims are made.
I do not have to be there to personally view every persons experience, because God has given a completed revelation, a rule for faith and practice, the closed canon of scripture.
I and other obedient believers can reject out of hand any supposed new revelation as God has sealed it off.

You can see that people are questioning my salvation, warning me for quenching or grieving the Spirit, accusing me of all manner of things, but not one person is actually mounting a consistent scriptural account to demonstrate any error.

I am only offering what is the mainline orthodox beliefs of the Church for years.
Have you studied any of the confessions of faith? Not one agrees with these people making extra biblical claims. All believe in a closed canon;

Biblical canon - Wikipedia

 

[marks]

We have a closed canon [rule]of scripture, nothing added or taken away. The Spirit quickens the word to us now
I reject automatically all such extra-biblical claims right away, because I remain under the God-given protection of scripture .

Hi Anthony,

I haven't read through this entire long thread, but I've read your OP, and a number of yours and others' posts.

While I reject what I've seen portrayed as "holy laughter", even so, I've become so filled with joy and power and hope that I just laughed and laughed.

While I don't think that there will be Apostles walking down the streets healing everyone their shadow touches, yet I've been healed.

I feel like I'm very Sola Scriptura. I do not place other things above Scripture. Even if I believe God has revealed Himself directly to me yet still all must agree with the Bible.

Was I loony tunes when I was driving home from church that day, and didn't stop laughing for 45 minutes (It was a long drive)? Is it important that the pastor had just laid hands on me to receive of the Holy Spirit? Is it important that I had been in prayer the week before seeking from God more power in my life? And was I mistaken to see that my life actually changed that day? Not being born again, I already had been, yet, I knew, God had given me my desire, and I saw that play out in my life.

It wasn't out of control, I could have made myself stop, but I didn't want to, I was just so bouyant with joy! There was another time that happened, but I wasn't laughing, I started singing.So filled with joy, touched by the Holy Spirit. I'd just been through a discouraging experience, was gassing up my car, and God just touched me with Joy.

Somewhere in there, something that is very very good, God filling me with a supernatural joy, and my spirit responding to Him, somewhere that turns into rooms filled with people rolling around on the floor laughing, out of control.

In these discussions, it seems to me that though there is a lot of bathwater, there's still a baby floating around in there.

Much love!

 

[bbyrd009]

But yeah, I've been on this merry-go-round before. Eventually I figured out it just goes in circles

"Galileans"

 

[Giuliano]

but not one person is actually mounting a consistent scriptural account to demonstrate any error.

I don't think this is accurate. I went through the book of Revelation and gave you several verses that discussed its readers needing to hear. If you responded to that, I missed it.

I can add to that list from Revelation. Those who are blind are told to anoint their eyes. Have you done that?

Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

My guess is that many would read that and wonder what it means. Don't ask me to explain it. I think I could try, but I also think it might be wrong to try. You have the book. You have read it. Now it's up to you to "hear" the words in it and then "keep" it. My trying to explain it would almost certainly not work.

 

[Enoch111]

The gifts of the Holy Spirit can only manifest by the Holy Spirit.

That is a given. But that is not even the issue.

 

[Enoch111]

As I have already shared the signs of a true apostle are not apostolic sign gifts. They received their gifts the same way we do. By the Holy Spirit.

How can they NOT be the signs of a true apostle, when Paul plainly states that they are? The question of whether they are gifts of the Holy Spirit is not even in dispute. But the Bible says that they Holy Spirit gives them according to His will. And according to His will some gifts ceased and others continued.

But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. (1 Cor 12:11)

It is significant that Paul picked only three gifts which would cease. And the context makes it clear that they are all related to divine revelation. When the book of Revelation was completed those gifts were withdrawn. Therefore none of the Early Church Fathers -- some who were even acquainted with the apostles -- claimed to be either (1) apostles, (2) prophets, (3) miracle workers, or (4) tongues speakers.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

I have heard His voice, I have spoken in tongues and still do, I have had visions and prophecies, I have had a ministering angel speak to me....I have laid hands on a person and they were healed, and I have experienced an outbreak of laughter in church. Are you suggesting I am lying?

I think you believe these things happened.
I am no where called to believe your experiences, but I am called to examine all claims in the light of scripture.
The time the woman told me she saw the Angel moroni right in her living room, I also let her know that whatever she thought she saw was not found in scripture.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

I don't think this is accurate. I went through the book of Revelation and gave you several verses that discussed its readers needing to hear. If you responded to that, I missed it.

I can add to that list from Revelation. Those who are blind are told to anoint their eyes. Have you done that?

Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

My guess is that many would read that and wonder what it means. Don't ask me to explain it. I think I could try, but I also think it might be wrong to try. You have the book. You have read it. Now it's up to you to "hear" the words in it and then "keep" it. My trying to explain it would almost certainly not work.

Your verses from revelation were not on this topic.If time permits I will lay it out for you.
Revelation is just that a Revelation of Jesus as Lord, ruling from His exalted Throne in the Heavenly Jerusalem and Zion, as our Great Prophet, Priest, and King.
It along side of the book of Hebrews are given to comfort a persecuted Church, and explain to new believers what the lord is doing now.

This topic is centered on Acts primarily with the gospel of John 14, 15, 16 presented. I have not had a chance to lay it all out , as the thread got the emotional knee jerk reaction from those who have never really heard the orthodox teaching.

 

[Giuliano]

Your verses from revelation were not on this topic.If time permits I will lay it out for you.
Revelation is just that a Revelation of Jesus as Lord, ruling from His exalted Throne in the Heavenly Jerusalem and Zion, as our Great Prophet, Priest, and King.
It along side of the book of Hebrews are given to comfort a persecuted Church, and explain to new believers what the lord is doing now.

This topic is centered on Acts primarily with the gospel of John 14, 15, 16 presented. I have not had a chance to lay it all out , as the thread got the emotional knee jerk reaction from those who have never really heard the orthodox teaching.

I think they were on topic. If someone teaches that no one "hears" from God anymore, basing that on his interpretation of previous books, he needs to be able to explain those passages in Revelation.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... It is significant that Paul picked only three gifts which would cease. ...

And when we're in heaven, we won't have a need for revelation. But for now, they're still necessary.

Bobby Jo

 

[Heart2Soul]

That is the value of these boards, information can be shared in public.
Each person can then make informed decisions.You cannot tell them it did not happen, I can.
We have a closed canon [rule]of scripture, nothing added or taken away. The Spirit quickens the word to us now
I reject automatically all such extra-biblical claims right away, because I remain under the God-given protection of scripture .
Oral Roberts 900 ft Jesus, 7 hour conversation, NO.
Joseph Smith , leaves his bible, goes out in the woods, the angel Moroni, golden plates...NO
Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, William Branham, Smith Wigglesworth, Alexander Dowie, Kenneth Hagin, Rod Parsley, Creflo[take your]Dollar, Joyce Meyer, Paula White, Furtick, Duplantis,Todd White,David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, Jim Jones, NO.
We are not to seek new or additional revelation, but rather obey what we are given
Jesus taught we cannot go back and forth to heaven Lk 16. We have scripture. Jesus taught what we need to know about Him from Scripture.Lk24.

I had posted about the Apostles earlier, here is a brief list of what I posted, Acts 4:33, Acts5:1-12,Acts14:3, Acts 27...I will expand on it later.

The very last verse of John says....and many more miracles did Jesus do that all the books in the world could not contain them.
Let's think on this....the only ones you know about are the ones written in the NT.
So all the other acts that did not get recorded and added to scripture so it is NOT SCRIPTURAL but they did happen....All my actions are not in the Bible but they did happen to me AS it happened to those in the Bible. That makes it scriptural by same definition and actions.
There is so much more to God than we will ever come to know and understand in our lifetime. But unless you seek Him...to really come to know Him....His heart, His thoughts and His ways then you will always be stuck regurgitating what someone else taught you to believe.
When you seek Him you WILL find Him.

 

[Nancy]

I have quoted that to others on the forum before - it didn’t make the slightest bit of difference !
Rita

It seems that nothing will ever make a difference to many on here as they think they have ALL truth and everyone else is lost. Unteachable and ONLY want to "teach" their own ways and beliefs.

 

[Enoch111]

And when we're in heaven, we won't have a need for revelation. But for now, they're still necessary.

Since the apostle John has already told you that there will be no more new revelations after The Revelation, you have two options: (1) believe him and believe God or (2) disbelieve him and chase after false prophets. Joseph Smith would be a good one, since he had quite a few new revelations for you.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Joseph Smith ...

You include FAKES with FACTS, exactly as @Anthony D'Arienzo did in his OP.

So you have something more in common with others than you might guess.
Bobby Jo