Christian Fiction, Sci fi,make believe...

[Hidden In Him]

Some people may indeed be making up things, but you should not generalize... lumping everyone that is not exactly where you are with those who are purposely falsifying. Remember what Solomon wrote 3,000 years ago is still true today:

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

I hate to admit it, but I might be the super saint he's talking about. In fact, I might be the superest super-saint that has ever super-sainted.

And the scariest thing is I'm just getting started. If I have my way, I'm gonna light up the sky with awesomely awesome super-saintliness. But so be it. A man can only run from his destiny for so long before it's time to face the facts.

 

[amadeus]

I hate to admit it, but I might be the super saint he's talking about. In fact, I might be the superest super-saint that has ever super-sainted.

And the scariest thing is I'm just getting started. If I have my way, I'm gonna light up the sky with awesomely awesome super-saintliness. But so be it. A man can only run from his destiny for so long before it's time to face the facts.

Whatever you are HIH, remember what Jesus was and how he carried himself. He knew that he needed to remain silent even they were bearing false witness against him. Can we always do that? By the Holy Spirit in us, we can... but so many cases there are now, I believe, of people quenching the Holy Spirit. This makes the difference between someone overcoming the world or not...!
Those who do not will lack what?

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7

 

[historyb]

1tim6:20,jude3

Nope. Says nothing about the faith once and delivered is solely written down contained in the Bible.

 

[historyb]

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I disagree with you 100%. This thread will remain in the unorthodox section where all threads similar to this one should be.

Amen.

 

[historyb]

Being healed is a miracle regardless. God arranging amazing "coincidences" are miracles. God speaking to us in our language is a miracle. Why would we pray at all if we didn't believe in miracles?

Exactly. If someone doesn't believe God still moves than their prayers amount to fruitlessness

 

[Hidden In Him]

Whatever you are HIH, remember what Jesus was and how he carried himself. He knew that he needed to remain silent even they were bearing false witness against him. Can we always do that? By the Holy Spirit in us, we can...

All kidding aside, I'm actually pretty good at it. I kinda ignore these threads now, unless something interests me. Poking fun is one of those things, though I mean no harm in it. I suppose some might get offended with my sarcasm sometimes, but if they know me they know I'm just pulling their leg a little (though I suppose it can come off as a little mean sometimes). As for how Jesus carried Himself, not a lot is recorded in scripture about His sense of humor, but I'm certain it was there.

but so many cases there are now, I believe, of people quenching the Holy Spirit. This makes the difference between someone overcoming the world or not...!

Yes. Happening all the time. I think maybe that's one of the more important opportunities presented in these discussions. I posted a like to Anthony's response to my initial post, because despite disagreeing with him I honestly have no problems with him personally. I think he's a good man and good brother. I just think he doesn't have my (and our) experiences to bring to bear on how he interprets scripture in light of things.

 

[MattMooradian]

I'm chiming in here even though it seems this thread is about 'holy laughter' more than sci-fi. Nevertheless, I want to comment of sci-fi.

Science fiction sometimes turns into science fact, so we should not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Besides that, Christianity can be viewed as science fiction (drop the fiction part, however). Are angels really aliens, or are aliens really angels? Where do angels live? In outer space or in another dimension? Are fallen angels living underground? They must be somewhere. The superhero genre can be viewed as sci-fi, too. Jesus could read minds, like some superheroes. Jesus could cure illnesses with the touch of his hand, like some superheroes. Jesus claimed that all Christians would perform miracles, like moving mountains, similar to modern superheroes. Maybe, we will all be more like superheroes in the future (or, in Heaven, or the New Earth). We will certainly be like celibate monks in Jesus' future; does that mean children will be developed in test tubes? These are sci-fi like issues.

 

[Josho]

Rennicks. My wife has been healed in answer to prayer, but we do not call that a sign gift, it was just an answer to prayer.
People are calling things miracles that are not.
People are just making things up to sound like super saints, when their lives many times are in shambles.

Well that's a miracle, just like being raised from the dead is a miracle.

You are possibly holding off from calling it that, so that it doesn't go against the cessationist doctrine you were taught.

 

[Josho]

Well that's a miracle, just like being raised from the dead is a miracle.

You are possibly holding off from calling it that, so that it doesn't go against the cessationist doctrine you were taught.

And if you have seen healing why don't you believe Reinhardt Bonkke?

There's even recorded evidence there.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Bobby Jo said to @Heart2Soul ↑
No amount of Scripture, Evidence, or Witnesses can change a pre-determined position. -- Perhaps you can cause "blindness"?

WVBR,
Bobby Jo


Just to be clear, -- you've believed the LIES of your church. They've apparently told you that Prophecy shall cease, and has ceased. But Scripture provides for Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, and Teachers. And you attempting to teach US the LIES of your church. -- So that make you a FIRST ORDER hypocrite. Either ALL FIVE Ministries are in operation, or NONE are in operation.

Thus all the opposing posts to your assertions, -- just as the ancient Christians were opposed to Saul, until he heard from GOD, and then JOINED the Christians in their adherence so GOD's Plan and Purpose for mankind.


So PLEASE do not wasted your time or my time replying, -- until you've had YOUR Paul experience --, even if you're struck with blindness in the process.
Bobby Jo

The 5 fold heresy on display,yes it was just a matter of time.lol,

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Nope. Says nothing about the faith once and delivered is solely written down contained in the Bible.

your lack.of understanding does not change the teaching.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

And if you have seen healing why don't you believe Reinhardt Bonkke?

There's even recorded evidence there.

No,he is just one of many false teachers who have come and gone

 

[Josho]

your lack.of understanding does not change the teaching.

What about the bit where it says all in Jude 3 if you are using that to defend your cessationist's doctrine.

 

[historyb]

your lack.of understanding does not change the teaching.

There is no lack of understand when you give to separate verses out of context that says nothing about the Faith that was once delivered by solely written down. See there is no where that said the Faith once and for all delivered must be written down and in St. Paul says to go by what is written and what was taught orally both. Let me help, you will never be able to so that the Faith that was once delivered has to written down

 

[Josho]

@Anthony D'Arienzo

As for point 9

9] "move" in the gifts

The spiritual gifts in the Bible are

I Corinthians 12:4‭-‬11

There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

Healing is a spiritual gift. Therefore by your wife getting healed by God, you have proven that the spiritual gifts have not ceased.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

"historyb,
Hello HB,
I enjoy 2/3 of your posts, but sometimes I am a little letdown, like here.

There is no lack of understand when you give to separate verses out of context that says nothing about the Faith that was once delivered by solely written down.

I drive commercially cross country and work long hours. Sometimes I send out a quick response from my phone while at a delivery, but cannot fully respond. I offered those two verses to give a hint that I thought you might search out, not just look to resist with a snide remark.
Now read and learn, or reject and remain biblically ignorant; Here is what is actually biblically taught;
Once (hapax) = Not formerly, but once for all. "
Hapax refers to something that is accomplished or completed one time, with lasting results and no need of repetition." (MacArthur)

Delivered (3860) (paradidomi [word study]) from para = alongside, beside, to the side of, over to + didomi = to give) conveys the basic meaning of to give over from one's hand to someone or something, especially to give over to the power of another. to deliver to one something to keep, use, take care of, manage.” The idea is that God gave the Christian doctrines to the saints as a deposit of truth to be guarded. He entrusted truth to the church collectively (cf this sense of paradidomi in Acts 16:4), and to each individual Christian, which is now our stewardship to fulfill (cp " Guard [aorist imperative], through the Holy Spirit who dwells in us, the treasure which has been entrusted to you." 2Ti 1:14-note). This faith was "delivered";
it was "not something which we have manufactured and discovered for ourselves."

It was authoritatively delivered as a precious deposit. It is interesting to note that "delivered" is paradidomi which is the root word for the Greek word for tradition (paradosis). So by analogy Paul said we are to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught" (2Th 2:15). They had received this message of salvation, the faith, from others; now they must fight to preserve it (1Co 11:2, 23: 2Th 3:6; 1Ti 6:20,21). This message of faith was normative. It was not to be changed.

See there is no where that said the Faith once and for all delivered must be written down and in St. Paul says to go by what is written and what was taught orally both. Let me help, you will never be able to so that the Faith that was once delivered has to written down

And you are mistaken 2tim3:16,17

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

@Anthony D'Arienzo

As for point 9



The spiritual gifts in the Bible are

I Corinthians 12:4‭-‬11

There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

No one denies these things took place at that time, in that Church
Paul listed these sign gifts that were available and being used in Cornith.
Apostles were present, new revelation was still being given.
That ceased as the Apostles ceased.

Healing is a spiritual gift. Therefore by your wife getting healed by God, you have proven that the spiritual gifts have not ceased.

In this passage, Paul says"gifts of healings" plural. Many people were healed by the Apostles as sign gifts.
Healing in answer to prayer is not a spiritual gift, it is answer to prayer. This is not a miracle, it is answer to prayer.
Miracles are like raising the dead, walking on water, multiplying loaves and fish.

No one is raising the dead today,despite fanatical claims by you and others. Anyone can claim anything nowadays.

 

[historyb]

And you are mistaken 2tim3:16,17

Does not say Scripture alone. In fact there is no where that says Scripture alone at alone, Scripture alone is a man made idea. Cessationist are fast to accuse of going beyond Scripture but Scripture alone goes beyond Scripture also. As far as the Verses you gave I agree with them but it does not say go by Scripture alone.

Be safe on the road and thank you driving for all of us so we can have things. My cousin drove long haul and when I was younger he dropped by and backed up his rig a whole block, was impressive to me

 

[Josho]

Healing in answer to prayer is not a spiritual gift

So where does it say that in the Bible?

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Bobby Jo,

Just to be clear, -- you've believed the LIES of your church.

No to be clear I believe and understand scripture, not the false teachers you follow.
You are now going to try and describe what is known as the five fold heresy.

They've apparently told you that Prophecy shall cease, and has ceased.

Wrong once again, Scripture tells us that:
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail;

whether there be tongues, they shall cease;

whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

It clearly says that which is partial will be done away, cease, when that which is complete comes.
They had partial knowledge, then as revelation was complete or perfect, that which in part was done away.

But Scripture provides for Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, and Teachers

.

Yes, and we have them as foundational.

And you attempting to teach US the LIES of your church. -- So that make you a FIRST ORDER hypocrite. Either ALL FIVE Ministries are in operation, or NONE are in operation.

This is the 4th or 5th time you offer insulting comments, showing that you are a bit of jerk. I mostly ignore such ignorance, but you need to get a grip on yourself, especially as your posts demonstrate major defective theology.
You want to oppose what I say, that is fine, go for it. Your little drive-by attack posts are lame.
Offer your ideas and stop trying to gain approval from your cronies by trying to attack me personally as it just shows your posts to be void of meaningful substance.

When revelatory gifts ceased, Apostles and Prophets who were getting new revelation ceased.
It is not all 5 or nothing.

So PLEASE do not wasted your time or my time replying, -- until you've had YOUR Paul experience --, even if you're struck with blindness in the process.

I answer a hostile person like you primarily for the sake of the readers who are trying to learn. You have been hostile the whole time and not looking for any answers. You and other smug posters think by offering your little condescending posts you are proving a point, but it is not proving anything.