Tell the truth, not a deceptive half-truth. After Jesus forgave the adulteress, he told her to go and "SIN NO MORE". God does not reward unrepentant sinners with endless mercy and grace - that would be an absurd insult to God's holiness and justice, not to mention an insult to what he teaches in the Bible.
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Yes, of course, once we are forgiven, if we are forgiven much we will also love much (Luke 7:36-50)...and this love will not be in word or in tongue only; but in deed and in truth (1 John 3:17-18).
And Paul teaches that a believer's sins can land him in hell (Gal 5, 1Cor 6, Rom 6).
Redemption (the Cross) is not the same as Salvation. Atheists, for example, have been redeemed by the Cross, but the Cross alone won't save them.
Atheists have not been redeemed by the Cross. We have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:2).
An unbeliever's sins will land them in hell.
The believer's sins are underneath the blood.
See Romans 4:7-8, for example.
Or, Romans 5:9.
And John 5:24 (kjv) is an excellent scripture to meditate on if as a believer you begin to feel condemnation coming from the enemy.
Jhn 5:24, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
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James says we are justified, not by faith alone, but by works and faith (James 2:24). But you say, No James, you're wrong- we are justified by faith alone.
No offense, but I think I'll believe what the apostle James says, not you.
James' statements are to be interpreted by Romans 4:2; for scripture interprets scripture (1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv)).
1Co 2:13, Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
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Rom 4:2, For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
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Also, Romans 4:5-6 makes it clear that a man is declared righteous apart from works in the sight of the Lord.
Rom 4:5, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6, Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8, Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
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1Jo 2:3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 2:5, But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Here it is evident that if anyone knows God, they will keep His commandments.
It is not saying here that they keep His commandments in order to know Him; but it is saying that they keep His commandments because they know Him.
1Jo 2:4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 2:5, But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Here it is evident that if anyone knows God, they will keep His commandments.
It is not saying here that they keep His commandments in order to know Him; but it is saying that they keep His commandments because they know Him.
Scriptures says Jesus redeemed the entire world and ALL mankind, not some of mankind - ALL mankind. So anyone who has ever lived or will ever live is UNCONDITIONALLY redeemed by the Cross - atheists and pagans and Satan-worshippers included.
The Cross alone doesn't not save anyone - what it does is make salvation POSSIBLE for everyone. The Cross opened the door to salvation, but not every one chooses to walk through that door, which requires faith in Christ.
You appear to not understand the difference between Redemption and Salvation. The Redemption of the Cross is unconditional, it applies to everyone and doesn't require faith, or anything. The Redemption and the grace that comes from faith are two different things.
I would like to take a closer look at the scriptures you are thinking of...please quote them for me.
Little one, that verse is referring to works WITHOUT FAITH.
But Abraham had faith, thus we read that Abraham was justified by his works (James 2:21).
Notice the last words of v.5 - "in him" - ie. to be "in Christ" a believer must "keep his commandments".
So if he were justified by works without faith, he would have whereof to glory?
Romans 4:2 is saying that he cannot glory except before men, over the works that he did that justified him, works that were done in faith. It is to be compared to the passage in James where it says that Abraham offered his son Isaac on the altar. This was a work of faith; and Romans 4:2 teaches us that this work of faith brings him glory and justification before men; but that before God, who sees the invisible (1 Samuel 16:7), he was justified through faith alone. His work of sacrificing Isaac demonstrated his faith to man and in this he has glory before man over his work of faith. But before God, God saw Abraham's faith and justified him all the way back in Genesis 15:6; some 30-50 years later is when he finally offered Isaac on the altar (Genesis 22).
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If you do not understand that God in YOU< can't be changed, then you are not going to understand that the KOG is also in the born again.
You don't "inherit" Salvation, you receive it when you are born again.
Yes, for John 5:24 (kjv) declares that we pass from death unto everlasting life from the moment of first faith.
Jhn 5:24, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Randy Kluth
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You're highly judgmental, brother, which makes me question both your heart and your agenda. What is up with you? It seems to be more personal than theological?
You want me to produce an actual "ticket" proving my salvation? What's up with that? Why don't you provide me with a drivers license indicating you really exist?
Salvation is the creation within us of a new nature by the gift of Christ. Our proof is in our attitude, our character, our good will inspired by Christ himself, because he lives in us and energizes us, and produces good fruit within us. As a Christian you should know all this.
So I'm wondering about your own spiritual welfare? What are you missing?
Yes, we all have a sin nature. But when we receive the new nature that comes from Christ, that nature is of surpassing power in conquering our lower nature. If we don't look at the temptations to sin, we may pursue righteousness, which is exactly what we chose to do when we pursued our new nature in Christ.
Having chosen it, and having experienced it, it is all we want. Only looking at temptations can throw us off. And since they are all around us, we have need of encouraging one another--not attacking one another, not judging one another, or suspecting one another.
But you evidence a real problem. And if there's something you need, rest assured you have access to Christ if you want that.
You claim you're already saved and are certain to go to Heaven. Why should I believe you? If someone came to me and said, "After I die, I will become a tree", should I believe them, simply because they said it?
You claim to be already saved for eternity. If so, prove it. You can't possibly know for certain that you are saved, let alone prove that you are. All you have is your opinion of yourself, which means nothing and proves nothing. Furthermore, salvation is describes as a "hope" in more than twenty verses in the NT, so that fact alone contradicts you delusion that you're already saved.
Christ alone decides who will be saved - not you - and that decision is not make until after you die and are judged by the Lord. If you claim to be already saved, you are putting yourself on the Judgement Throne of Christ, which is surely some form of blasphemy. You claim that you are already saved, but on Judgement Day, do you really think Christ is going to care two hoots on about what you think?
Devastating logic! But seriously, I COULD provide you with my driver's license and PROVE that I REALLY exist - but you can't prove that you're eternally saved. All you've got to offer as "proof" is your childishly-illogical and wrong interpretations of scripture and the meaningless delusion that they produce.
News flash: Your opinion, feelings and emotions are not "proof" of anything except your opinion, feelings and emotions. David Koresh was certain he was the Messiah - should I believe him? For all I know, you could be as seriously deluded like Koresh, or even mentally ill, so why should I trust your opinion of yourself and believe you?
It could well that, if you die today, the Lord will judge you worthy of salvation - but until that judgement occurs, you can't possibly know that you're saved for eternity. All you can do in this life is have the HOPE that you will be saved, and it's pointless to go around claiming something that you can't know, much less prove. Making such a claims achieves nothing … except make you sound like a bs-artist and bit of a fruitcake.
Grace helps us overcome our fallen, sin nature, but it doesn't replace it - not in this life-time, anyhow. Therefore the temptation to sin is always with us, and at some point, all believers give in to temptation and sin. Any believer who claims he never sins is even more deluded than the believer who claims he is already saved.
Furthermore, what is your definition of "sin"? You could be committing a sin without even realizing it's a sin. Even your thoughts can be sin.
1 John 5:13 would tell us otherwise.
John 5:24 would tell us otherwise. We pass from death unto everlasting life at the moment of first faith, according to this verse.
We do not obtain salvation because we are worthy of it...but because of our faith (see Romans 4:5).
We are recipients of mercy, who are saved (Titus 3:5 (kjv))...and by definition, mercy is given to the undeserving and unworthy.
Tit 3:5, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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